APB boot camp.

[SamuraiJack]

I think Jade Dragon mentioned this before, but much of the stuff can be downloaded off the Internet...

http://www.thefighting44s.com/forum/...2284#post22284

I'd say some of it is useful, but mostly just the generic ideas, not the specifics, such as pick up lines.

[ellencho]

If you're wondering why this thread isn't flaming anymore, it's because it's been split. Let's keep this thread kwak/apb related and let's keep the more entertaining posturing in the new thread.

[AZN MAN]

Originally Posted by jaehwan

Kimtae is also right. You already have everything you need. I don't think it'll hurt if you go to APB, but if you want good advice, you could always pm Aznman and get a different perspective on what APB is offering.

Kwak - if you want to discuss, I'm more than happy to participate when I'm able to.

[AZN MAN]

I commend Kwak for making the decision to change himself in a way that he personally feels will have a positive and beneficial effect for himself; without hurting others.

When I ended a long-term relationship, my male ego and self-defense mechanism kicked into high gear. I wanted to get laid as often as possible by as many women as I could get; it didn't work because I didn't know how to approach anymore and every woman I approached instantly sensed my emotional state.

Three techniques I employed soon thereafter marked the beginning of my own personal journey to a healthier emotional state.

1. I brought happiness back into my life. This was accomplished by challenging myself to laugh and to return to that humorous guy that I once was. I realized that women remember men who make them feel good about themselves and what better way to do that than with humor.

2. I forced myself to go out to public places with a lot of single women. Bars, nightclubs, coffee shops, parties, social events, etc. The key here is that I made a point not to approach any women; I was there solely to watch other men approach women. By studying this for a period of time, I was learning what worked and what didn't work, and why.

3. I had frequent discussions with women that I knew regarding men; what turned them on and what turned them off about them. Through these discussions I learned how to approach women using women-speak. This was a very powerful tool; it instantly garnered a woman's attention because they quickly became aware that I knew their "language".

While I understand what APB is doing and what he's all about, I myself have taken a much different path. While he's attempting to teach what he calls a "skill" in PUA, I've experienced what I believe Kwak would like to experience: In a general sense women tend to view me as relationship material rather than a fling. This in spite of my comments upfront that I have no expectations and am not specifically looking for a relationship.

I think this is where some of the older posters here believe that I differ from the PUA Instructor crowd. And as always, I do this for free because I have no agenda other than to help a brother out.

[VeryAngry]

Thanks for sharing, Azn Man. This is important enough to be said. I'm occupied now but I'll pen some of my other thoughts down later.

[VeryAngry]

I changed my mind.

[kwak76]

First night in bootcamp. I actually miss the first 2 -3 hours of lecture because of work. The boot camp started at 4 PM but I just had too many things to be done that I couldn't leave earlier. My job comes before boot camp.

Anyway, I showed up late . I'm not going into every detail out of respect for the other guys who decided to take the boot camp nor will I go into details what APB teaches. Allot of stuff he teaches you could find it on his blog.

My first impression. Hmm....I'm like OK this is APB ??? I mean I seen his pictures on the net I guess I was more like "wow" not in the sense I was shocked or surprise but I was OK his APB. It's kind of hard to describe. I guess because of his reputation I viewed him with some bias where as if I didn't know nothing about him I be like what so special about him.



What do I think about the first day of class? Well, to be honest I came in late(my fault). So far I think it was good what I learned. THere were things that I suspected that I had problems with but needed an objective person to point it out .

One of my problem is my facial expression. APB said I'm a decent looking guy with decent built but it means nothing if you can't express your face the right way. I had the dreaded Asian poker face. I'm also stiff. Need to loosen my back more and don't slouch. Move slower.

We went over some drills things you have to practice on your own to get better at. Allot of times for guys we don't know how we actually look like when we talk to a girls. Sometimes we fidget or look around the room or look too serious . Even if you have confidence it means nothing because you could look weird talking to a girl and lose her interest. THese drills you do in front of a mirror. Facial expression .etc..etc.

Night out. I don't know who picked the first bar because it sucked. We were in there for 10 mins jetted out. THe second club was much better. Again I'm not going to talk about what the other guys done out of respect for them.

THe goal was to open up 10 sets. I only got up to 6 sets. Out of 6 sets I got one number and got blown away 4 times and one time I ejected myself. THe night was getting late and I follow some of APB advice in how to approach. To be honest my mind went blank and I just went back to my natural state.

After the night out we all went back to one of the guys home to discuss what we did wrong . I was surprise by what APB said about me.

APB : He thinks I'm not a bad looking guy with a decent built. My approach is not that bad. I need to loosen up more with more facial expression. He said if I approach girls I'm not attracted to I win them over because I couldn't careless what those girls think of me because I don't find them attractive. In other words I'm more relax and have fun with the approach. I show more of my personality. He also thinks because I'm not bad looking he thinks it's my looks that got the girls in the past. .....I'm like I don't know.

He said I'm too much in my comfort zone. I have to risk more if I want the girls that I want . He is right. If I approach a really attractive I assume she will reject me so I do my approach thinking she will reject me anyway. APB advice is get in there and fight. Push how far I can go. Approach her the way I would approach a girl thinking I could get her and I don't give a shit about it.

In other words inner game.


What do I think of APB as the teacher ? I think he does care about his student. He expects his student to do their part by approaching and at least trying. If you don't then he will get on you. None of the guys had hard time approaching.
They would observe you and tell you what you did wrong after wards on an approach.

THe only thing that sucked was sometimes we get lost in the club and you ended up approach on your own and no one will tell you what you did wrong.

What do I think of APB as a person? ??????????????????????????? He is unique. Interesting and to be honest I don't know him. I don't know if I'm talking to the real APB or not. His hard to read. I don't know if he has the mask on or what.

I don't know if I agree with his views. We spoked a bit about woman and life. In general aspect I would agree with him on other aspect I don't.

This is just my first day. I write more late..and please guys don't flame. This is just me being observing and writing from my own experience.

[VeryAngry]

Trust your instincts and intuition, bro.

One thing I hesitate in even saying, but feel I must because people sometimes forget, is that there isn't any shortage of people who will treat you with respect and care.

[xian]

Thanks for taking the time and reporting. Investigation is key!

[kwak76]

2nd day of bootcamp.

I was there for the whole lecture and it feels like information overload. Just to give you some ideas it was 4 hours of lectures and some drills. Allot of this stuff I feel that you have to go home and practice yourself but after the lecture we went to a night club.

Some stuff I learned. More body language. How to approach a set sitting down? allot of stuff that I have to re-read and have it sink in.

Ok for the fun part . We went to a night club. Had our own table. The goal today is get the girl back to the table and create comfort and something else. To be honest I am writing this at 6:47 AM and just got back from the city and feel tired.


I approach 5 or 6 sets. This time got two numbers. Ok ....I did things that I would never every have done before tonight. APB got piss at me because he thinks I'm not digging deep. He doesn't think I am committing.

I'm like what do you want me to do. I'm approaching girls and I actually brought back 3 or 4 sets back to our table. A week ago I would never every have been able to pull this.

One negative aspect which does not sit well with me. APB goals for his student is to get a one night lay if possible. I'm not against people wanting to have sex or if people wants one night lay. Up to them.

I guess I'm a bit conservative. I never had a one night lay nor am I ashamed to admit it. Not something I'm used to nor is it important for me to do this. APB wanted to push me to my limit. This is where he became more like a drill sergeant.

So there was this one Korean girl who was sitting down in our group. I found out she has a boyfriend. A white boyfriend. In the past I be fuck her and find someone else. But to be honest I figure let see if I could game her. I kino her and started to talk about who see is.

Some fluff talk mix with joking around. I'm not used to the cocky funny aspect. Long story short I got her number. Tried to kiss her but couldn't. I push myself to point where in the past I wouldn't have gone. Why? One she has a white boy friend but I was like fuck it let me see if I could steal this Asian girl from a white guy. ....I didn't succeeded because I didn't fuck her but to me that was not a failure because I kept gaming her and push myself. I don't know if APB notice that or not.

Another example. I went to the dance floor. There were two cute Chinese girls dancing. Went up to them directly but almost got AMOG. I found out later that guy was married to one of the Chinese girl. He was a white guy.

In the past I be fucking ccbs and walk away but fuck no. Instead I was like "what ups" didn't know that was your wife. His like "cool" and told me her friend is single. So I started to game the other chinese girl. Didn't go far but again I kept pushing myself.



After the night club we went back to talk about what we did wrong and how to improve.

APB is not too happy with my progress. He doesn't think I believe in his stuff and fall back to my old habits. He also thinks I don't have enough faith in myself. His right.

In other words I have to think I'm attractive and that women want me. I'm more humble and well I have hard time thinking all women want me but APB is like if you think like that you won't go far. Another aspect is I'm not committed.

In other words no matter who the girl is be committed to what you do and how you treat her. My problem is I don't show that passion. Another thing is I don't open enough in the sense I am not connecting with people. So these are again internal issues I have to work on.

Like him or hate him when it comes to human interaction his very sharp. Stuff he said about me was spot on. I thought I was working as hard as I can but I was not committing myself hard enough.

At the same time I can't picture myself as this sexual stud. His like if you can't see yourself that way why would a woman want to sleep with you than?

Also I don't open up. I was with APB and my fellow students and I guess I kept private with who I am. APB felt like if you can't connect with your fellow students or instructor and you been with them for more than 24 hours. How the hell can you connect with a women in 3-4 hours when you are trying to game her in a club?

His right.

To be fair allot of these clubs we went to were mix -clubs. I told APB that I prefer Asian women. Not too interested in non-Asian women. His advice is don't limit yourself. Women are women.

His view on Asian women is this and it's pretty extreme. He told me that Asian women will fuck white guys for sport because they can but will bring home an Asian guy to her family and probably marry. In some sense his kind of right but kind of extreme.

This is when I realize APB mind set. Extreme, driven, and intense. He hides some of it but you sense it.