Asian Men: Inferiority Complex vs. Wholesome Integration abroad

Eurofile007 · Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:26 AM

Blacks and Asians - Inferiority complex vs. wholesome integration

Racial tension, clashes, and inferiority complexes in the USA are well known (particularly in Los Angeles), and even depicted in hit movies such as Crash (2004) as well as any movie about racism in LA, Malcolm X or Martin Luther King Jr.

What most Americans who grew up in such multi-cultural environments where racial tension was the norm don't know is that Blacks and Asians tend to have inferiority complexes in the US but do NOT have them abroad. For example, it's been reported by both Blacks and Whites that in Great Britain, Blacks are much more well adjusted and treated normally in comparison to the States, hence they are “free to be themselves” without the inferiority complex and fragile defensive ego that they often have in the states.

And in fact, this has been true historically as well. History textbooks report that during the American Revolutionary War for instance, Black slaves were treated far better by the British than by the Colonial Americans, and hence many Blacks at the time were reluctant and unmotivated to fight for the Colonials. It’s no surprise given that the British were more civilized and cultured than the Americans at the time, and still are too.

Though I’ve never been to Britain, I’d venture to guess that Asian men too are probably treated better there than in America, at least in the dating arena, for I have heard unanimously that prejudice against interracial dating in Britain is far less than in America.

Let’s look at some more examples and quotes.

Here's what a French article revealed about Asian men’s appeal in France, quoting what a Japanese man had to say about his image in France vs. the US:

http://goldsea.com/Features/Parisasi...isasians2.html

”The Asian Image

Asian males also enjoy a better social image than their American counterparts. French women consider Asian men exotic, refined and -- get this -- good lovers, according to Sanchez whose ex-husband is Chinese.

"In the United States there is a lot of emphasis on physical strength and appearance, so tall and muscular Caucasian men are more appreciated than Asian men," says Mayako Yamamoto, a Japanese student who lives in Paris but has visited America several times. "The values here are different. You don't have to be tall and strong to be popular. They like you to be gentle and understanding, and Asians are gentle. You also need to be charming, intelligent, seductive, sensual and stylish. I think that in the States, Caucasians always serve as the reference points. You are always compared to them instead of being judged as you are or compared to other Asians like in France. That's why I feel more comfortable here."

Asian physiques don't appear as unusual because the French are generally shorter and slimmer than Americans.

The French also differ from Americans in their attitude toward interracial relationships. It is considered a natural process for immigrants and their descendants, even of non-White races, to have French spouses and meld into the mainstream of society. Whereas in America Caucasians and Asians ponder the phenomenon of interracial marriages, the opposite is true in France. Many French interviewed for this article expressed surprise at the fact that Asians tend to marry within their own communities.”

Another Asian male confirmed this, reporting his great dating experiences in Europe, noting that his Black male friends also had similar successes there with the women as well:

http://www.discovervancouver.com/for...TOPIC_ID=10543

“I'm a single East Asian guy from Hawaii and am thinking about going to grad school in Montreal. I spent a year in Rouen (France) and had something of a revelation. French women really have a "thing" for tall & fit Asian guys (I'm about 1.87m...6'2"). I got hit on (and scored) with so many gorgeous French girls (blondes, brunettes mostly), I cried when my program was over. Hell, even the girls in the Netherlands were all over me, which was quite an experience since I don't really turn very many heads at all in the U.S.

It explains my success in Rouen, but I also got amazing responses from gorgeous French girls in Paris, Strasbourg, and Montpellier as well. The Dutch girls were also really receptive (still fondly remember a blonde university student asking me for my number on the train...and a very happy weekend thereafter). I almost felt bad for my white travelling companions, who weren't getting much attention at all. In Germany, my black friend also got quite a bit attention, and we were the only ones who ended up hooking up with some cute German girls from Heidelberg. I guess European women prefer Asian and Black men because of the "exotic" factor....similar to the large numbers of white men with an "oriental woman" here in North America. Maybe it's time to head back to Europe. I still remember black American GIs telling me Europe is "black man's heaven"...but I have to say, it's "Asian man's heaven" as well (as long as you're single and like blondes!)

I've found that it's much more difficult in North America to score, because racism is "infused" into the sexual dynamics of society here. I've still dated several of white girls here, but I met them in school and not in bars/nightclubs. I actually talked to an Asian guy who lives in Paris, and he confirmed that white French women LOVE Asian men. I guess movies like L'amant reflect the sexual they have for us. Apparently, the French guys are starting to complain that French women only want "ethnic" guys. Most of the Asians in the Netherlands are Indonesians. And they do GREAT with the beautiful blonde Dutch girls. My friend is an Indonesian from Utrecht and we seemed to have our pick of women in the nightclubs. We even took a trip to Sweden and met some of the hottest girls ever seen. It's just too easy in Europe if you're a tall decent looking Asian guy.”

A deep insightful Asian American college girl noted these differences between Asian American men and “Asian-Asian” men:

“To be honest, I have a strange complex about Asian-American men. Not so much Asian-Asian men (there was a Singaporean and a Japanese guy that I felt very comfortable to be myself around)-- I think because they were raised in the dominant culture without any sort of awareness of "difference," they tend to have less of an insecurity complex and adopt less of the stereotypical projections that would otherwise be projected upon them if they were minorities. This is a tangent-- but I think generally, people live up to how they are treated and expected to be... and a Japanese guy growing up in Japan who hasn't been told that he is "quiet, shy, and nerdy" will not be because he is in a dominant culture where everyone that looks like him is expected to have a personality. By American standards, one Japanese guy I met would have been considered nerdy and shy (he certainly looked it, with a rather slight build and huge glasses), but in Japan, he was a popular bar tender-- and I was very impressed with his bold confidence, artistic guitar playing, wooing, etc... and his lavish attention and spiritual/emotional development, which won me over in the end.. but I digress...).”

Eurofile007 · Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:26 AM

Regarding Asians in Brazil, one of my expat consultants observed:

“If Asian Americans traveled more they would see that white people are different in every white country. Most do not even know that they are white. Czechs or Poles do not know that for one. They know that they are Polish or Czech, not that they are "white". And they would treat a Japanese person as a
"Japanese" not as an "Asian".

However, because most Americans do not travel, including Asian Americans they think that White people are all the same- bigoted, arrogant, racially conscious and condescending towards Asians. The same goes for any other race. Filipinos treat white people differently from the way Thais treat them and the Japanese treat them differently yet.

I met Koreans from Brazil and these were just Brazilians like any other Brazilian. They were relaxed, friendly and talkative. Then you meet Koreans from the US and many are edgy, tense and always saying things like "As an Asian- American I am this ...as an Asian American I am that...I am an Asian.. I am a Korean- American". There would be a flash of wounded pride in their eyes when they would utter those highly important racial designations.

Brazilian Koreans were just that- Brazileiros. They liked soccer and drinking pina colada and walking on
the beach with mulatto girl.”

The same person also commented:

“The thing about the whiners on soc.culture.asian.american is that they have been whining so long that they are starting to feel comfortable with their victim identity. You will need to shake them up a bit.

They are Asian AMERICANS. So, they have the same problems most Americans have. They whine but they are not willing to explore the world beyond planet America. It is so easy to get in a plane. But they have been fed so much propaganda- that the US is the best and that it is all their fault and that they need to read more books on dating, etc.

Emperor's New Clothes if you ask me.

Self-Internationalization is the answer.”

Musing over the predicament of the Asian America sub-culture, he concluded:

“It is a pity that there has to be Asian America- another angry ghettoised non-mainstream culture as a way to oppose the exclusive white mainstream. It is also a pity that they have to create their own culture be it in , literature or whatever. Nothing new, just another day in the US.

The problem with such ghettoisation is that Asian Americans often become angry Caucasian haters who beat up "haolies" or just silently hate them. Welcome to US social life- an informal but powerful apartheid where so many people have to find a niche with "their kind".

You were very wise not to get too involved in it and instead, you internationalized yourself and went on all these adventures. Self- internationalization and including other societies into your life is what will cure that scourge of racism in the US. At least as far as one's life is concerned.”

Though the fact that Asians and Blacks abroad don’t have the inferiority complex that they do in the US is both true and observable, again it’s a TABOO observation, because as mentioned before, saying that ANYTHING outside of America is better, while in America, is taboo and forbidden whether true or not. And again, I’m not afraid to say the truth even if it goes against the crowd. Some admire that about me, others don’t.

evil_FUX · Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:41 AM

Geez dude quit spamming about your cowardice to face the issues in North America.

kimtae · Mar 3rd, 2008, 06:34 AM

Hey Winnie the poop, I heard you admitted on another board that you slept with an underage girl; that you had raped her was the allegation. True?

Anarchrist · Mar 5th, 2008, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimtae

Hey Winnie the poop, I heard you admitted on another board that you slept with an underage girl; that you had raped her was the allegation. True?

damn. That's sure one effective way to derail this guy's commentary.

Heyyu · Mar 5th, 2008, 05:29 AM

You know what, I keep on hearing how Europe is this utopia wonderland for minority guys that can't get dates in the US. How the European white chicks are much more open-minded than the American white chicks or the Asian-American girls... but I think it's all about attitude.

For whatever reason, it seems when Americans go abroad, especially minorities, their attitude changes. Especially in places like Europe. Perhaps because most of them are students & in a faraway land where generally they're free to do whatever they want. Before they have to come back to their "real" lives in the States so they just go wild and let loose. And then when they go back to the States they return to being cynical & angry & emo or whatever.

Plus, I think it's a cop out to flee to another continent like Europe or South America cause you couldn't handle the shit here in the States. Yeah, you might get mud thrown in your face, but I do think being here in the States toughens you up compared to the nancy boys in Europe. So if you can come out a confident, emotionally secure guy in the United Fucking States, then you can do it anywhere. I see it as a test for the real men that don't run from the challenge.

kimtae · Mar 5th, 2008, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchrist

damn. That's sure one effective way to derail this guy's commentary.

Notice the lack of denial. The allegation was that he had raped her but he maintains it was consensual. Either way he never denied she was underage.

kwak76 · Mar 5th, 2008, 11:44 AM

Heyu,

I have to kind of agree with you. Attitude does play allot in attracting women. I don't know why some people thinks Europe is a Godsend for Asian men. In some cases I think Europe is worst for Asian men because in Europe they don't consider the fact of a racial group or identity.

When it comes to Asian men in america it can go two ways. Some Asian American guys toughen up(this is the road we all have to take) . It can be in any area of life.

Where as other Asian guys give up or have huge insecurities( just look at the gang at model minority). I meet more Asian American guy in this area. They are insecure one way or the other.

Heyyu · Mar 30th, 2008, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwak76

Heyu,

I have to kind of agree with you. Attitude does play allot in attracting women. I don't know why some people thinks Europe is a Godsend for Asian men. In some cases I think Europe is worst for Asian men because in Europe they don't consider the fact of a racial group or identity.

When it comes to Asian men in america it can go two ways. Some Asian American guys toughen up(this is the road we all have to take) . It can be in any area of life.

Where as other Asian guys give up or have huge insecurities( just look at the gang at model minority). I meet more Asian American guy in this area. They are insecure one way or the other.

In truth, everyone has insecurities, regardless of race. I know plenty of white/hispanic/blacks that are insecure about one thing or another. Of course, what Asians (and in particular Asian men) are insecure about is unique to our situation in the US...

I mean, I can relate too. I went through that phase where I also thought, "Oh, the US sucks, boo hoo... Europe/South America/Asia are all much better." But the more I traveled, the more I realized that people are pretty much the same everywhere when it comes down to it. You drop a $20 bill anywhere, chances are in 5 minutes it's going to get scooped up. People get angry/frustrated/argue everywhere. In short, I've learned that humans are flawed creatures anywhere you go, cause that's what it means to be human. There's no utopia country on this planet. If there was, I would go there too.

So in short, you just have to make the best out of the situation where you are. No use running or hiding from it. The secret to life is that no one really cares, most people only care about themselves, and no one owes you anything. So you have to take care of yourself cause no one else will. That's the bottom line, in any place in the world (sorry if I sound harsh to anyone, but that's the truth, even if it hurts).

borebanker · May 12th, 2008, 07:00 PM

I am a single Asian-Canadian guy and was based in Stockholm (Sweden) for 2 years working for a consulting firm before coming here to the U.S.

In my opinion, girls from Scandinavia and greater Europe are just better looking, on average, than American girls.

As for how receptive they are to you, I would say it is still a small % of girls who are going to want to get together with an Asian or Asian-American guy.

Even so, I do not think they have as many hang-ups or think they are as special as a lot of attractive white American girls (wrongly) think they are.

Swedish girls are an exception to this though because I think they get inflated egos from having so many guys think they are the ultimate girlfriend to have.

Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:26 AM	#1
Eurofile007 Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2	Asian Men: Inferiority Complex vs. Wholesome Integration abroad Blacks and Asians - Inferiority complex vs. wholesome integration Racial tension, clashes, and inferiority complexes in the USA are well known (particularly in Los Angeles), and even depicted in hit movies such as Crash (2004) as well as any movie about racism in LA, Malcolm X or Martin Luther King Jr. What most Americans who grew up in such multi-cultural environments where racial tension was the norm don't know is that Blacks and Asians tend to have inferiority complexes in the US but do NOT have them abroad. For example, it's been reported by both Blacks and Whites that in Great Britain, Blacks are much more well adjusted and treated normally in comparison to the States, hence they are “free to be themselves” without the inferiority complex and fragile defensive ego that they often have in the states. And in fact, this has been true historically as well. History textbooks report that during the American Revolutionary War for instance, Black slaves were treated far better by the British than by the Colonial Americans, and hence many Blacks at the time were reluctant and unmotivated to fight for the Colonials. It’s no surprise given that the British were more civilized and cultured than the Americans at the time, and still are too. Though I’ve never been to Britain, I’d venture to guess that Asian men too are probably treated better there than in America, at least in the dating arena, for I have heard unanimously that prejudice against interracial dating in Britain is far less than in America. Let’s look at some more examples and quotes. Here's what a French article revealed about Asian men’s appeal in France, quoting what a Japanese man had to say about his image in France vs. the US: http://goldsea.com/Features/Parisasi...isasians2.html ”The Asian Image Asian males also enjoy a better social image than their American counterparts. French women consider Asian men exotic, refined and -- get this -- good lovers, according to Sanchez whose ex-husband is Chinese. "In the United States there is a lot of emphasis on physical strength and appearance, so tall and muscular Caucasian men are more appreciated than Asian men," says Mayako Yamamoto, a Japanese student who lives in Paris but has visited America several times. "The values here are different. You don't have to be tall and strong to be popular. They like you to be gentle and understanding, and Asians are gentle. You also need to be charming, intelligent, seductive, sensual and stylish. I think that in the States, Caucasians always serve as the reference points. You are always compared to them instead of being judged as you are or compared to other Asians like in France. That's why I feel more comfortable here." Asian physiques don't appear as unusual because the French are generally shorter and slimmer than Americans. The French also differ from Americans in their attitude toward interracial relationships. It is considered a natural process for immigrants and their descendants, even of non-White races, to have French spouses and meld into the mainstream of society. Whereas in America Caucasians and Asians ponder the phenomenon of interracial marriages, the opposite is true in France. Many French interviewed for this article expressed surprise at the fact that Asians tend to marry within their own communities.” Another Asian male confirmed this, reporting his great dating experiences in Europe, noting that his Black male friends also had similar successes there with the women as well: http://www.discovervancouver.com/for...TOPIC_ID=10543 “I'm a single East Asian guy from Hawaii and am thinking about going to grad school in Montreal. I spent a year in Rouen (France) and had something of a revelation. French women really have a "thing" for tall & fit Asian guys (I'm about 1.87m...6'2"). I got hit on (and scored) with so many gorgeous French girls (blondes, brunettes mostly), I cried when my program was over. Hell, even the girls in the Netherlands were all over me, which was quite an experience since I don't really turn very many heads at all in the U.S. It explains my success in Rouen, but I also got amazing responses from gorgeous French girls in Paris, Strasbourg, and Montpellier as well. The Dutch girls were also really receptive (still fondly remember a blonde university student asking me for my number on the train...and a very happy weekend thereafter). I almost felt bad for my white travelling companions, who weren't getting much attention at all. In Germany, my black friend also got quite a bit attention, and we were the only ones who ended up hooking up with some cute German girls from Heidelberg. I guess European women prefer Asian and Black men because of the "exotic" factor....similar to the large numbers of white men with an "oriental woman" here in North America. Maybe it's time to head back to Europe. I still remember black American GIs telling me Europe is "black man's heaven"...but I have to say, it's "Asian man's heaven" as well (as long as you're single and like blondes!) I've found that it's much more difficult in North America to score, because racism is "infused" into the sexual dynamics of society here. I've still dated several of white girls here, but I met them in school and not in bars/nightclubs. I actually talked to an Asian guy who lives in Paris, and he confirmed that white French women LOVE Asian men. I guess movies like L'amant reflect the sexual they have for us. Apparently, the French guys are starting to complain that French women only want "ethnic" guys. Most of the Asians in the Netherlands are Indonesians. And they do GREAT with the beautiful blonde Dutch girls. My friend is an Indonesian from Utrecht and we seemed to have our pick of women in the nightclubs. We even took a trip to Sweden and met some of the hottest girls ever seen. It's just too easy in Europe if you're a tall decent looking Asian guy.” A deep insightful Asian American college girl noted these differences between Asian American men and “Asian-Asian” men: “To be honest, I have a strange complex about Asian-American men. Not so much Asian-Asian men (there was a Singaporean and a Japanese guy that I felt very comfortable to be myself around)-- I think because they were raised in the dominant culture without any sort of awareness of "difference," they tend to have less of an insecurity complex and adopt less of the stereotypical projections that would otherwise be projected upon them if they were minorities. This is a tangent-- but I think generally, people live up to how they are treated and expected to be... and a Japanese guy growing up in Japan who hasn't been told that he is "quiet, shy, and nerdy" will not be because he is in a dominant culture where everyone that looks like him is expected to have a personality. By American standards, one Japanese guy I met would have been considered nerdy and shy (he certainly looked it, with a rather slight build and huge glasses), but in Japan, he was a popular bar tender-- and I was very impressed with his bold confidence, artistic guitar playing, wooing, etc... and his lavish attention and spiritual/emotional development, which won me over in the end.. but I digress...).”

Mar 3rd, 2008, 06:34 AM	#4
kimtae 44s blackbelt Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,658	Hey Winnie the poop, I heard you admitted on another board that you slept with an underage girl; that you had raped her was the allegation. True? __________________ Frank Chin: With rare exceptions, all that has been published in this country by "Asian Americans" writing about themselves has been white, racist propaganda."

Mar 5th, 2008, 05:29 AM	#6
Heyyu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lying drunk in a stinkin' gutter... Posts: 517	You know what, I keep on hearing how Europe is this utopia wonderland for minority guys that can't get dates in the US. How the European white chicks are much more open-minded than the American white chicks or the Asian-American girls... but I think it's all about attitude. For whatever reason, it seems when Americans go abroad, especially minorities, their attitude changes. Especially in places like Europe. Perhaps because most of them are students & in a faraway land where generally they're free to do whatever they want. Before they have to come back to their "real" lives in the States so they just go wild and let loose. And then when they go back to the States they return to being cynical & angry & emo or whatever. Plus, I think it's a cop out to flee to another continent like Europe or South America cause you couldn't handle the shit here in the States. Yeah, you might get mud thrown in your face, but I do think being here in the States toughens you up compared to the nancy boys in Europe. So if you can come out a confident, emotionally secure guy in the United Fucking States, then you can do it anywhere. I see it as a test for the real men that don't run from the challenge. Last edited by Heyyu : Mar 5th, 2008 at 05:32 AM.

May 12th, 2008, 07:00 PM	#10
borebanker Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1	I am a single Asian-Canadian guy and was based in Stockholm (Sweden) for 2 years working for a consulting firm before coming here to the U.S. In my opinion, girls from Scandinavia and greater Europe are just better looking, on average, than American girls. As for how receptive they are to you, I would say it is still a small % of girls who are going to want to get together with an Asian or Asian-American guy. Even so, I do not think they have as many hang-ups or think they are as special as a lot of attractive white American girls (wrongly) think they are. Swedish girls are an exception to this though because I think they get inflated egos from having so many guys think they are the ultimate girlfriend to have. Last edited by borebanker : May 13th, 2008 at 01:12 AM.

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Mar 3rd, 2008, 04:41 AM	#3
evil_FUX Big Boss Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Purgatory Posts: 1,595	Geez dude quit spamming about your cowardice to face the issues in North America.

Mar 5th, 2008, 11:44 AM	#8
kwak76 44s blackbelt Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,627	Heyu, I have to kind of agree with you. Attitude does play allot in attracting women. I don't know why some people thinks Europe is a Godsend for Asian men. In some cases I think Europe is worst for Asian men because in Europe they don't consider the fact of a racial group or identity. When it comes to Asian men in america it can go two ways. Some Asian American guys toughen up(this is the road we all have to take) . It can be in any area of life. Where as other Asian guys give up or have huge insecurities( just look at the gang at model minority). I meet more Asian American guy in this area. They are insecure one way or the other.