200 lb Asian guy decapitates passenger on bus

[SamuraiJack]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080731/Manitoba_bus_080731/20080731?hub=TopStories

According to the video, one eye witness says the killer was "either Chinese or Native", 6' 0" and 210lbs. The victim is described to be Native.

Damn. Sucks that there's so little positive representation in the media for Asian males that there's nothing to counter the negative stories that *always* get reported.

[nightshade]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080731/Manitoba_bus_080731/20080731?hub=TopStories

According to the video, one eye witness says the killer was "either Chinese or Native".

Damn. Sucks that there's so little positive representation in the media for Asian males that there's nothing to counter the negative stories that *always* get reported.

None of the other news sites identify whether the man is native or Asian. In fact, all the print stories are very careful not to mention the identity of the man, aside from the fact that he's forty years old.

That's the freakiest news story I've read in some time.

[SamuraiJack]

In that regard, I have to commend the news networks for their prudence so far.

It's only a matter of time though - people will want to know about the killer's appearance, his past and his motives. The witness could be wrong about him being Asian, but according to the video, it seems he saw the killer very clearly.

[Liang]

This shit is weird. Holy crap.


"It's not something that happens regularly on a bus," said Colwell."


Well officer, I would certainly hope so.

[kimtae]

Well, SJ, the title of your thread does little to help especially since it's not clear what the ethnic make-up of the attacker is. It seems you're just as if not more guilty of the same kind of sensationalism of which you're accusing the media.

[kikiandlala]

Mystery solved, the man is one Weiquong Li of Edmonton, Alberta. Yup
home sweet home, creepy thing is that he works for the same place related
to the place I used to work for. The guy was a contract worker for delivery
of the Edmonton Journal and Edmonton Sun.

[nskripchun]

Makes one wonder what exactly the guy sitting next to him did to make him flip out and saw off his head with a knife.

[kikiandlala]

Holy Shit, it turns out that I know folks who know this guy. Nskripchun, I doubt
the victim did anything except be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Okay the guy's English name is Vincent Li (which goes a long way in IDing him).
There's only one real Chinese parish in Edmonton and the guy goes there.
He's from HK and holds a number of degrees and was from a well-paid position
there from what I hear. But coming to Edmonton, all he could get was menial
work and I don't blame his employers. The guy generated serious creepy vibes
with his "tics" such as walking around all the time in a stoop and keeping his
eyes to the ground. Also had a constant glazed expression. Folks at that
church, tried to help him out by telling him about job openings, but the guy
rarely got past the 1st interview and could never hold a job. So he worked all
sorts of job including cutting seafood at T&T for a few days until he poked
himself while cutting some crab.

At one point, he got arrested for hitting his wife. He got released, but was
told to stay away from his wife and so he had no place to go. Folks at that
Church recommended a shelter but he didn't go. No idea where he stayed.
I haven't been to that Church in well over a decade, so he was after my time.
But I don't know if he was still a member there after the Domestic dispute.
But yeah Li was a few short of a full load even then.

[SamuraiJack]

Well, SJ, the title of your thread does little to help especially since it's not clear what the ethnic make-up of the attacker is. It seems you're just as if not more guilty of the same kind of sensationalism of which you're accusing the media.

Yeah, I tried changing the title afterwards, before your post, but all it would do is change the "title" directly above my post.

I figured that being Asian is the only reason why this would interest people on this forum.

[nskripchun]

Holy Shit, it turns out that I know folks who know this guy. Nskripchun, I doubt
the victim did anything except be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Okay the guy's English name is Vincent Li (which goes a long way in IDing him).
There's only one real Chinese parish in Edmonton and the guy goes there.
He's from HK and holds a number of degrees and was from a well-paid position
there from what I hear. But coming to Edmonton, all he could get was menial
work and I don't blame his employers. The guy generated serious creepy vibes
with his "tics" such as walking around all the time in a stoop and keeping his
eyes to the ground. Also had a constant glazed expression. Folks at that
church, tried to help him out by telling him about job openings, but the guy
rarely got past the 1st interview and could never hold a job. So he worked all
sorts of job including cutting seafood at T&T for a few days until he poked
himself while cutting some crab.

At one point, he got arrested for hitting his wife. He got released, but was
told to stay away from his wife and so he had no place to go. Folks at that
Church recommended a shelter but he didn't go. No idea where he stayed.
I haven't been to that Church in well over a decade, so he was after my time.
But I don't know if he was still a member there after the Domestic dispute.
But yeah Li was a few short of a full load even then.

Thanks for the update.

Obviously, I don't know the guy, but from description, it sounds like things were just going downhill for him. Sorry to hear about all his problems... guess he couldn't deal with them very well.

[jaehwan]

Holy Shit, it turns out that I know folks who know this guy. Nskripchun, I doubt
the victim did anything except be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Okay the guy's English name is Vincent Li (which goes a long way in IDing him).
There's only one real Chinese parish in Edmonton and the guy goes there.
He's from HK and holds a number of degrees and was from a well-paid position
there from what I hear. But coming to Edmonton, all he could get was menial
work and I don't blame his employers. The guy generated serious creepy vibes
with his "tics" such as walking around all the time in a stoop and keeping his
eyes to the ground. Also had a constant glazed expression. Folks at that
church, tried to help him out by telling him about job openings, but the guy
rarely got past the 1st interview and could never hold a job. So he worked all
sorts of job including cutting seafood at T&T for a few days until he poked
himself while cutting some crab.

At one point, he got arrested for hitting his wife. He got released, but was
told to stay away from his wife and so he had no place to go. Folks at that
Church recommended a shelter but he didn't go. No idea where he stayed.
I haven't been to that Church in well over a decade, so he was after my time.
But I don't know if he was still a member there after the Domestic dispute.
But yeah Li was a few short of a full load even then.

Wow, it's a small world. I figured someone must be seriously messed up to decapitate someone else.

[Freckles]

At one point, he got arrested for hitting his wife. He got released, but was told to stay away from his wife and so he had no place to go.

Guess he never got processed because according to the latest article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_stabbing), he has no known criminal record.

I heard that the "great, kind, and thoughtful" victim was actually a Juggalo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo). Can anyone verify this?

[Icepac]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080731/Manitoba_bus_080731/20080731?hub=TopStories

According to the video, one eye witness says the killer was "either Chinese or Native", 6' 0" and 210lbs. The victim is described to be Native.

Damn. Sucks that there's so little positive representation in the media for Asian males that there's nothing to counter the negative stories that *always* get reported.
How can you not tell the difference between a Chinese and a Native?

[Freckles]

How can you not tell the difference between a Chinese and a Native?

If you're like 90% of white people?

[King4aDay]

How can you not tell the difference between a Chinese and a Native?

That could probably best be explained by the Siberian Ice Bridge (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefMedia.aspx?refid=461562534).

I give you the "native" Eskimo (http://www.firstpeople.us/photographs/pt/eskimo-mother-and-baby.jpg), as evidence

[uRB4N]

I wonder if the Benny Hill theme was playing in his head at the time.

[shogun]

Not to condone what he did, but it certainly wouldn't be a stretch to say that most of us Asian guys have toyed with the idea of violent, visceral retribution as payback for what this society puts us through. The difference between the vast majority of us and guys like this or the Virginia Tech killer is that sometimes fine line between fantasy and action.

I would speculate that the suspect was subject to daily racial taunts serving as constant reminders of his second class status in a white dominated environment. The 22 year old white punk he decapitated was probably making racist jibes of some sorts and/or mocking the suspect's English skills.

Murder is never justified under any circumstance, but I can't help but feel sympathy for Li's plight nor a smug sense of vicarious satisfaction for what he did.

[badwill]

To be honest, I find stories of all these Asian dudes flipping out and going crazy quite amusing. I can't believe that he sudden flipping out and cut the guy heads off, since he has no criminal record.

He was on his way to somewhere. Maybe he isn't excite to go, but why the victim. The victim was a stranger as everyone on the bus. There must be something that push him over the thin line.

Someone metioned that the victim Tim McLean might be a Juggalo. Maybe he was playing his Juggalo music too loud.

I am sure there will be more Asian dudes going crazy.

Victim: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=108390479&albumId=0

Victim: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/01/stabbing-victim.html

Funny, how titled the cbc article. The suspect worked at McDonalds and delivery newspaper. WTF, if the man has numerous degrees, it would truly be sad thing indeed.

[kikiandlala]

Not to condone what he did, but it certainly wouldn't be a stretch to say that most of us Asian guys have toyed with the idea of violent, visceral retribution as payback for what this society puts us through. The difference between the vast majority of us and guys like this or the Virginia Tech killer is that sometimes fine line between fantasy and action.

I would speculate that the suspect was subject to daily racial taunts serving as constant reminders of his second class status in a white dominated environment. The 22 year old white punk he decapitated was probably making racist jibes of some sorts and/or mocking the suspect's English skills.

Murder is never justified under any circumstance, but I can't help but feel sympathy for Li's plight nor a smug sense of vicarious satisfaction for what he did.


Say what - methinks you're injecting yourself in this. Tim MacClean didn't
do a thing except text message a bit and go to sleep. Chinese locals who knew Vincent Li, said the guy's a nutter and that more than him being non-white was why he had difficulty climbing the economic ladder. Vincent Li had no social skills of worth and he didn't have the fortitude to last out many of his jobs long enough to develop a positive resume. He left that T&T after only a few days and a lot of his work history is like that - spotty as hell.

I'm not surprised he has no criminal record, like I said he was arrested and
quickly let go with little more than a warning. It's like being in a brawl, theoretically you could be charged with an assault, but the usual outcome is the police breaking everyone up and telling them not to do it again. Domestic
disturbances can get ugly and cops hate getting involved because both sides
can turn on them really quickly.

[angi]

You lose a lot of credibility when you defend someone who is clearly a psychotic murderer just because he is Asian. All accounts say the victim was ASLEEP at the time he was attacked and had said or done little during the trip.

I would say I hope he fries, but Canada has no death penalty. So, I hope he gets some prision justice.

[jaehwan]

Murder is never justified under any circumstance, but I can't help but feel sympathy for Li's plight nor a smug sense of vicarious satisfaction for what he did.

Do you feel the same sense of vicarious satisfaction when you read about guys using date rape drugs?

Don't answer that. As I mentioned before, you need some serious help. The help you need is far beyond the scope of anything this message board can provide you, and I think the availability of this board is actually making things worse for you. It's preventing you from the interaction with real people--Asian and non-Asian--that you need very badly.

[King4aDay]

To be honest, I find stories of all these Asian dudes flipping out and going crazy quite amusing. I can't believe that he sudden flipping out and cut the guy heads off...

I pray you, to try not to find it amusing.
Especially before the body has even been buried, and while the family of the victim is still grieving the fresh an unexplained loss of their 20 year old son.

[FatCatAttack]

You lose a lot of credibility when you defend someone who is clearly a psychotic murderer just because he is Asian. All accounts say the victim was ASLEEP at the time he was attacked and had said or done little during the trip.

I would say I hope he fries, but Canada has no death penalty. So, I hope he gets some prision justice.

Whites and others do this all the time. The mall shooter is a recent one and Columbine has made a resurgance since Tom Fulp (creator of Alien Hominid) made a big stink boycotting an indie game show because they didn't allow Super Columbine RPG. There's something compelling to people about "crazies." Some people may not admit it directly but the allure is there.

As for sympathy for him being Asian...well look at the topic title. "200 lb Asian Guy" Why his weight and size? Does that not suggest strength? This reminds me following VTech my mother was in hysterics worried about backlash. And then after a moment very lucidly she said, "Maybe people will think Korean men are strong now." I was shocked and speechless, but then I realized after she said it I was thinking it.

I wouldn't trust the media to reveal any details had this kid instigated anything. And crazy people need help not punishment. Punishment doesn't do anything for someone with a mental problem because they aren't likely to know what's going on and it doesn't prevent shit because if you're crazy and then the crime is of compulsion then there's nothing that can dissuade you because otherwise you wouldn't be crazily compelled to do it in the first place. Demonizing this guy and demanding "teh Brut4l Justice" is the same dumbass emotional appeals that make up racist backlash and racism in general.

P.S. The Death penalty is Bullshit.

P.P.S Because you said what you said and I'm in a contrarian mood I hope he becomes an administer of "prison justice." A God Emperor of D-Block. The Kwisatz Haderach of Buttsexing White Dudes. The Isaac Hayes of Escape from L.A. yadda yadda and so on.

[angi]

The guy cut a random stranger's head off. If you want that to be your hero, have at it. I'll still think you're fucking crazy for it too. I'll also think it's really damn sad that out of all of the Asian men who are REAL heros you would choose this retard.

[shogun]

Do you feel the same sense of vicarious satisfaction when you read about guys using date rape drugs?

Don't answer that. As I mentioned before, you need some serious help. The help you need is far beyond the scope of anything this message board can provide you, and I think the availability of this board is actually making things worse for you. It's preventing you from the interaction with real people--Asian and non-Asian--that you need very badly.

Still hung up over the GHB thang eh? It's plainly obvious to all that you've got a serious PERSONAL beef with who I am and my viewpoints. And instead of debating with me like an adult, your little hissy fits point more towards a petulant teenager facing differing opinions for the first time in his life - and can't handle it.

Thanks for all your sarcastic self help tips. If I wanted to be more vindictive, I could comb through all your posts, note the flaws, and rip you a new asshole too. I do admit that was my instinctive reflex. But then I decided to continue living my life and not extend the 1.5 minutes I've wasted writing this.

[kikiandlala]

Whoops, deepest apologies folks. Damn, the folks I knew fingered the wrong
guy!!! While both share the same Vincent Li and have very similar build, look, age, weird-ass tics and etc. The history and background of their guy isn't the same as the killer's. I just read this morning's paper when I got back from lunch. Turns out the killer was only in Edmonton for about 2 years and has been living in Canada for 4. The killer also came over from China (which city, there has been no mention), but the big thing is that the killer is heavily-based out in Winnipeg while the guy I was talking about has spent years in Edmonton.
Sorry folks, my bad

[topdawg]

Truly crazy story.

Too all those that feel "vindicated" or "vicariously satisfied", get yourself checked out. This is not what AA activism is about, to kill and mangle an innocent human being. Sure, probably somewhere deep within his psychosis his maladaption to the country has to do with it. But the fuck, you don't see every Asian immigrant flipping out and hacking random guy's head off and eating his flesh?! Back off for a second and think of what kind of thing you are saying when you feel "satisfied" at this craziness.

[ktkbs]

People die all the time. Though it definitely sucks for the victim.

[jaehwan]

Still hung up over the GHB thang eh? It's plainly obvious to all that you've got a serious PERSONAL beef with who I am and my viewpoints. And instead of debating with me like an adult, your little hissy fits point more towards a petulant teenager facing differing opinions for the first time in his life - and can't handle it.

Thanks for all your sarcastic self help tips. If I wanted to be more vindictive, I could comb through all your posts, note the flaws, and rip you a new asshole too. I do admit that was my instinctive reflex. But then I decided to continue living my life and not extend the 1.5 minutes I've wasted writing this.

Well, you could have, and maybe you should have, but now it's too late because I've banned your sneaky, drug-dropping rapist ass. Don't say I didn't warn you though. Shit, part of me is hurting because I thought you'd be a little more entertaining as you crashed and burned. Oh well.

[nskripchun]

Back on topic:

Apparently the guy started eating the victim after killing him. Crazy.

In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."

On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/02/canada.bus.stabbing.ap/index.html

[DONKEY]

ive spent some time on greyhound buses. you get some crazy people on there. it's a slow, long ride but it's cheap. one time this drunk woman with FECAL MATTER smeared on the back of her shirt sat down next to me. another time this guy talked on his phone for hours to his wife about how he was gonna beat the living shit out of her as soon as he got back to lake charles from new orleans.
these people wouldn't make it through airport security and they know it.

my first thought when i saw greyhound bus mentioned in this story was that the victim was probably listening to headphones very loudly. this is extremely annoying on the greyhound bus. take the bus from dallas to new orleans and it's an 18 hour ride. new york to texas is a few days. hard to sleep on the bus cuz it always stops and you have to get off and change to another bus at every city. i would guess that the killer was on a long ride and had already had some previous encounters with headphone blasters.

[Heyyu]

Back on topic:

Apparently the guy started eating the victim after killing him. Crazy.



http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/02/canada.bus.stabbing.ap/index.html

This guy was clearly a LOON if he started resorting to cannibalism and eating parts of the victim. WTF. And I LOL'ed at anyone in this thread trying to justify his clearly demented and psychotic behavior to the fact that he was Asian. How many Asians do you know that are into cannibalism?

[King4aDay]

ive spent some time on greyhound buses. you get some crazy people on there. it's a slow, long ride but it's cheap. one time this drunk woman with FECAL MATTER smeared on the back of her shirt sat down next to me. another time this guy talked on his phone for hours to his wife about how he was gonna beat the living shit out of her as soon as he got back to lake charles from new orleans.
these people wouldn't make it through airport security and they know it.

my first thought when i saw greyhound bus mentioned in this story was that the victim was probably listening to headphones very loudly. this is extremely annoying on the greyhound bus. take the bus from dallas to new orleans and it's an 18 hour ride. new york to texas is a few days. hard to sleep on the bus cuz it always stops and you have to get off and change to another bus at every city. i would guess that the killer was on a long ride and had already had some previous encounters with headphone blasters.

the article said that

a) the victim was asleep.

b) the assailant changed seats and sat next to the victim only a few minutes before the attack ensued.

[DONKEY]

being asleep doesn't mean that headphones weren't blasting. some people are so irritating that they even manage to annoy the shit out of you in their sleep. i had a roommate once who couldn't sleep without a TV on, volume way up.
of course none of this justifies murder, i didn't think i would have to say that.

[awong]

my first thought when i saw greyhound bus mentioned in this story was that the victim was probably listening to headphones very loudly. this is extremely annoying on the greyhound bus. take the bus from dallas to new orleans and it's an 18 hour ride. new york to texas is a few days. hard to sleep on the bus cuz it always stops and you have to get off and change to another bus at every city. i would guess that the killer was on a long ride and had already had some previous encounters with headphone blasters.

sorta OT, but 18hrs from dallas to NO? Regular car ride I just got back to tampa from dallas, left at 5am ct and got back 1am est.
being asleep doesn't mean that headphones weren't blasting. some people are so irritating that they even manage to annoy the shit out of you in their sleep. i had a roommate once who couldn't sleep without a TV on, volume way up.
of course none of this justifies murder, i didn't think i would have to say that.
that I can see happening...my brother is an example has to have the tv on to sleep or so he says, but I've gotten irrirated enough to it that yeah I would want to harm him...

[DONKEY]

sorta OT, but 18hrs from dallas to NO? Regular car ride I just got back to tampa from dallas, left at 5am ct and got back 1am est.

yeah greyhound sucks. it stops at every city, change bus or refuel. so it was like Dallas - Waco - Houston - Shreveport -Lake Charles - Alexandria- Lafayette - Ville Platte - Baton Rouge- New Orleans. im probably leaving some out.
it goes out of its way to make stops. if the bus just went direct from Dallas to NO without stopping it wouldn't be so bad. but you get off the bus, wait in the station for half an hour or whatever for them to tell you to re-board, then you get on and sit there for another hour waiting for them to refuel or the new driver to show up or whatever, i dont know. pain in the ass. and sometimes you miss a connection if your bus is running late. so you wait a couple hours for the next one, if there is a next one.

it's for people without cars who can't afford plane tickets, or for people who want to transport drugs without the risk of getting pulled over since there are no security checks in greyhound.