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jook
Jun 25th, 2008, 10:28 PM
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/19/asia/letter.php?page=1



A sense of community elusive for East Asia
By Howard W. French
Thursday, June 19, 2008

SHANGHAI: The ground is moving again in East Asia. Tectonic plates are not involved this time, but the rumblings are just as unmistakable, and potentially as significant.

The movement can be seen and felt in a series of steps taken here and there in the region. Each might seem modest, even tiny, for some, but assessing them that way would be to miss the bigger picture.

The first thing that must be said about East Asia is that for all of its economic achievements, it lags woefully behind much of the rest of the world in important ways.

While the Europeans have found a way to discard their suspicions and hatreds and forge a growing community, this region is stuck with problems that date from World War II and the Korean conflict.

To be blunt, there is no community. Each of the major countries - China, Japan and South Korea - clings to its own vision of the future, to its own self-serving version of history, and relates to the outside world as a sole actor, and almost never in terms of regional interests or priorities.

It is against that uninspiring backdrop that one must view the sort of news this week about Japan and China coming to terms over exploitation of disputed offshore gas fields located in the East China Sea.

One says sort of news because of the timid way this development has been presented. Japanese officials began hinting at an agreement early in the week, and sure enough by Wednesday, two senior officials could be seen in a press conference, smiling as they stood in front of a large map.

The problem was that the happy men were both Japanese ministers hailing the breakthrough. So far, no Chinese official has done so, and Beijing has gone out of its way to play down the agreement, even muddying the waters over its substance.

"I would like to reiterate that China's consistent position and stance on the East China Sea issue have remained unchanged," a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, told the press in Beijing the same day. "Chunxiao Oil and Gas Field falls completely within China's sovereignty rights, and has nothing to do with joint development."

There has indeed been an agreement. What the divergent announcements amount to is the squeak of a very rusty wheel: the wheel of Chinese-Japanese cooperation.

Having played Japan as the boogeyman for so long, Beijing now looks almost ludicrously timid. This is for fear of appearing to have made any concessions, fear of a photo-op with Japan, and most of all, fear of its own public, especially what The China Youth Daily recently called the "Online Red Guards."

These are the Internet-based nationalist rabble-rousers who rail at every imagined slight or perceived signal of Chinese weakness, one of whom promptly denounced the agreement as "the typical behavior of those who sell out the country," and called for them to sent before a firing squad.

Beijing's dilemma inspires little sympathy. The understanding with Japan, by contrast, should be saluted and encouraged. Taken together with the recent agreements between Beijing and Taipei over travel, the oil field diplomacy roughly amounts to the first few turns of a Rubik's Cube in a region that will require many, many more turns in order to bring its diplomatic and geopolitical realities in line with its economic achievement.

All credit to Beijing for having found the political will and courage to come this far, and one hopes for much bigger steps ahead. Defusing relations with Taiwan and achieving a long overdue genuine normalization with Japan would each be rich in payoffs for Beijing and for the world.

Taiwan's newly elected leader, Ma Ying-jeou, has helped make this clear, putting flesh on his vision of accelerated economic cooperation and political détente with Beijing in an interview this week with the International Herald Tribune.

It is hard to imagine anything doing more to validate China's claim to becoming a new kind of power, a peace-minded nation, than cutting back on the forces arrayed against Taiwan in southern China, and committing to a political and economic engagement with its neighbor that acknowledges the importance of Taiwanese opinion.

In recent months, China's leaders have taken real steps forward with Japan, with both Wen Jiabao and Hu Jintao visiting, and agreeing to regular high level exchanges.

Bigger steps are still needed, though.

China has an opportunity to establish a relationship of real trust and confidence that would have far-reaching consequences. Close working ties would ease the natural insecurities of the Japanese and others in this region as China rises, and could eventually even bring dramatic adjustments in America's hitherto central role in the region's security.

One likes to save the biggest problems for last, so here goes.

The development of a real community of northeast Asian nations may offer the best prospect of solving the crisis of North Korea's blocked transition toward modern political and economic development.

Separately, China, South Korea and Japan all mouth similar words about supporting Korea's reunification, but the truth is that each fears what it has to lose more than it considers what there is to gain.

North Korea's trust may be hard to win under any circumstance, but when it looks at its neighbors separately, this finds many reasons for doubt.

A real community would look very different, even to this quintessentially paranoid state.

jook
Jun 25th, 2008, 10:46 PM
Many observers draw parallels between today's East Asian situation with turn of the century Europe. To be fair, it took a couple of bloody World Wars for Western Europe to figure out that ethno-centric, ultra-nationalism is probably not a good thing. Will it take a similar tragedy for East Asia to get their act together? Hard to say. East Asian nations have the highest military expenditures in the world besides the US. At the same time, they are also highly interconnected in the global economy. Thomas Friedman argues that integrated trade acts as a restraint on war. His Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention states, no two countries that are part of a global supply chain, like Dell's, will fight a war against each other, as long as they are part of the same supply chain.

Heyyu
Jun 26th, 2008, 03:49 AM
You know what, I'm going to go even one step further: the Chinese-Americans and Korean-Americans are the biggest reason for many of the problems in the Asian-American community. If you really think about it, all this IR crap, this "Ivy League" do well in school pressure, this dark skin prejudice... I think a lot of it stems from the Chinese and Korean-American communities (one could also say the Chinese and Koreans are the most "white-washed" of all the Asian-American communities).

In fact, think about the biggest Asian-American princesses you know and I'll bet it's a Chinese or Korean-American. And if not, well, you haven't met enough Chinese or Korean-Americans, especially in California and New York. And just for the record, by "Chinese-American" community, I also throw in the Hong Kongers and Taiwanese. Even some of the Southeast Asian groups like Filipino-Americans, Thai-Americans, and Vietnamese-Americans have significant Chinese blood (which is no surprise since the Chinese in those countries made up an important part of the business/middle-class community, and were the ones that tended to immigrate to America).

What about Japanese-Americans? I think the Japanese-American community is too small in number nowadays and many are quite dispersed compared to the Chinese-American and Korean-American communities.

ZhuBaJie
Jun 26th, 2008, 04:09 PM
i like how the writer conveniently ignored the role of the US in East Asian matters. a couple of years ago when an FTA was proposed between East Asian countries, the US was notedly against the idea because the US was excluded. and with countries like South Korea, Japan, and to a lesser extend the Philippines, being beholden to the US in their foreign policies, it's not exactly easy to achieve the goal of an FTA. one thing you can count on between East Asian countries is that to them, business will always be business. even with all the baggage from WW2, they'll still want better economic partnership with each other.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1829381.htm

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/business/2006/November/business_November153.xml&section=business

not to mention that US troop presence in the Korean peninsula is really one of the biggest obstacles in Korean relations.

i also like how the writer, in his discussion of Sino-Japanese relations, conveniently ignored the fact that a Japanese warship was going to visit China for the first time since WW2, and that a few months earlier, a Chinese warship had made a port call in Japan.

warming East Asian relations, especially relations between China and South Korea/Japan, is not good news for the US. it means the US will play less of a role in East Asian relations. it's not surprising if American and other Western writers and analysts boohoos warming ties beween East Asian countries.

kikiandlala
Jun 26th, 2008, 08:50 PM
The writer also overplays by a gazillion degrees the level of cooperation
that goes on in Europe; I'm talking Western and Central Europe - forget
the East - a few days ago Russia had launched a massive cyber attack
against Belarus and there's plenty of other problems going on.

The EU failed to ratify a constitution with many holdouts and with the
revolving door of chair for EU presidency - the great fear is that Berlusconni
or other mafioso will take it and sell them out for selfish purposes.

kimtae
Jun 26th, 2008, 10:26 PM
You know what, I'm going to go even one step further: the Chinese-Americans and Korean-Americans are the biggest reason for many of the problems in the Asian-American community. If you really think about it, all this IR crap, this "Ivy League" do well in school pressure, this dark skin prejudice... I think a lot of it stems from the Chinese and Korean-American communities (one could also say the Chinese and Koreans are the most "white-washed" of all the Asian-American communities).

In fact, think about the biggest Asian-American princesses you know and I'll bet it's a Chinese or Korean-American. And if not, well, you haven't met enough Chinese or Korean-Americans, especially in California and New York. And just for the record, by "Chinese-American" community, I also throw in the Hong Kongers and Taiwanese. Even some of the Southeast Asian groups like Filipino-Americans, Thai-Americans, and Vietnamese-Americans have significant Chinese blood (which is no surprise since the Chinese in those countries made up an important part of the business/middle-class community, and were the ones that tended to immigrate to America).

What about Japanese-Americans? I think the Japanese-American community is too small in number nowadays and many are quite dispersed compared to the Chinese-American and Korean-American communities.
Boy, you get dumber by the post.

maogirl
Jun 27th, 2008, 02:24 AM
i like how the writer conveniently ignored the role of the US in East Asian matters. a couple of years ago when an FTA was proposed between East Asian countries, the US was notedly against the idea because the US was excluded. and with countries like South Korea, Japan, and to a lesser extend the Philippines, being beholden to the US in their foreign policies, it's not exactly easy to achieve the goal of an FTA. one thing you can count on between East Asian countries is that to them, business will always be business. even with all the baggage from WW2, they'll still want better economic partnership with each other.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1829381.htm

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/business/2006/November/business_November153.xml&section=business

not to mention that US troop presence in the Korean peninsula is really one of the biggest obstacles in Korean relations.

i also like how the writer, in his discussion of Sino-Japanese relations, conveniently ignored the fact that a Japanese warship was going to visit China for the first time since WW2, and that a few months earlier, a Chinese warship had made a port call in Japan.

warming East Asian relations, especially relations between China and South Korea/Japan, is not good news for the US. it means the US will play less of a role in East Asian relations. it's not surprising if American and other Western writers and analysts boohoos warming ties beween East Asian countries.

*BIG HUG*

everyone should just ignore gayyu. this IS the same retard who wrote some time ago that racism in europe doesn't exist and now pretends that he never wrote that shit after being called out on it.

nskripchun
Jun 27th, 2008, 04:41 AM
The writer also overplays by a gazillion degrees the level of cooperation
that goes on in Europe; I'm talking Western and Central Europe - forget
the East - a few days ago Russia had launched a massive cyber attack
against Belarus and there's plenty of other problems going on.

The EU failed to ratify a constitution with many holdouts and with the
revolving door of chair for EU presidency - the great fear is that Berlusconni
or other mafioso will take it and sell them out for selfish purposes.

Yeah, "European Unity" is pretty much an arrangement of convenience. Do people really think that things are all fuzzy between the British, French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Swiss, etc.? They still got their issues from WWII too.

The only reason the article would try to exaggerate "European Unity" is pretty obvious - to frame the nationalistic conflicts in Asian as those of "lesser peoples". They might as well write in the article, "GEE ALL US WHITE PEOPLE IN EUROPE GET ALONG FINE, WHY CAN'T YOU ORIENTALS GET OVER YOUR PETTY BS LIKE US, SEE? OMG, WE ARE SO THE MASTERS OF BUILDING COMMUNITIES WHY DON'T YOU COPY OUR SUPERIOR SOCIETIES."

aelward
Jun 27th, 2008, 09:16 AM
While it might be totally unrelated, the Asian entertainment industry seems to recognize the influence of cross-nation star power. There have been so many movies that include mixed-ethnic casts.... Wu Ji comes to mind off the top of my head. It might seem trivial, but I believe a sense of community starts with people, not with governments.

zhangfei
Jun 27th, 2008, 02:00 PM
East Asian nations have the highest military expenditures in the world besides the US. .


http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/us_vs_world.gif

Country Military Spending (Billions of $)

United States $711.0

China $121.9

Russia $70.0

United Kingdom $55.4

France $54.0

Japan $41.1

Germany $37.8

Italy $30.6

Saudi Arabia $29.5

South Korea $24.6

India $22.4

Australia $17.2

Source: International Institute for Strategic Studies

nskripchun
Jun 27th, 2008, 06:12 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/us_vs_world.gif

Country Military Spending (Billions of $)

United States $711.0

China $121.9

Russia $70.0

United Kingdom $55.4

France $54.0

Japan $41.1

Germany $37.8

Italy $30.6

Saudi Arabia $29.5

South Korea $24.6

India $22.4

Australia $17.2

Source: International Institute for Strategic Studies

Nice! Good work on the fact check.

Looking at the numbers, Asia only spends more than Europe if you compare China + India + South Korea + Japan (total: ~210 billion) versus UK + France + Germany + Italy (total: ~178 billion). However, if you throw Russia in the European side (which isn't a part of the EU, but one could argue that Russian interests have historically been as anti-Asian and colonial as Europe's), then that puts Europe over the top of Asia (total: ~248 billion).