Guys and Dolls

[maogirl]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3710987618964917848&hl=en

finally saw the BBC documentary about people who buy realdolls. it's 47 minutes, and NSFW, but i guess it's pretty interesting.

things i learned:

- straight men have really terrible taste in fashion and makeup
- they are also terrible at applying makeup
- the founder of realdolls is a lot more emo-looking than i expected him to be
- i am so glad that i'm a girl

talk about settling -- at least chicks settle for real people. okay, i guess i'm being judgmental here, but damn, those people made me feel icky. i understand being lonely and wanting companionship, but...damn.

that black dude also had the whitest voice ever.

[evil_FUX]

Better than becoming serial rapists or molestors

[lopan]

I just watched the whole documentary (had it in the background while working) and now i'm physically sick to my stomach.

The worst bit was when the repair dude was tearing out the wrecked vaginas with his bare hands. that was disgusting.

[Dialectic]

I just watched the first 1 min. 41 seconds. Not sure I want to watch more. And yeah that black dude was white.

[kimtae]

- i am so glad that i'm a girl

talk about settling -- at least chicks settle for real people. okay, i guess i'm being judgmental here, but damn, those people made me feel icky. i understand being lonely and wanting companionship, but...damn. Dildoes and vibrators. And lots of cats.

[maogirl]

as far as i know, chicks don't pretend their sextoys are alive :-P

[ZhuBaJie]

i don't want to spend 45 minutes watching the video - did they interview any psychologists? if so, at what time range in the video do the psychologists speak?

[krnbboyprd]

No, they did not have a psychologists speak, but if you do watch it you can tell they have some sort of screw lose. One has issues with abandonment, other has an issue with losing his mother. The others, well I dunno what to say, the guy in the beginning is well better lack of words a whack job. I can't tell if he knows that the doll is a Doll. He gives it human feelings and he places human feelings with it.

I guess I should not judge, what ever makes them happy. At the very least they are not masturbating to kiddie porn or fucking animals.

[ktkbs]

Either this or they go to third world countries/Indian reservations and rape girls.

[.vhg//ALITA]

right when the black dude in the kissed his doll smack dab on the lips i almost lost my lunch. interesting as it is i can already tell i'm going to have a REALLY difficult time sitting through this.

>_> these people REALLY need to get out.

[JadeDragon]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I felt very sorry for Davecat, the first dude while watching the documentary. (The other guys, eh, not at all.)

The thing with Davecat is that he knows his doll is not real and cannot respond to his affection, but his personality is such that he cannot interact with other human beings, and so uses the doll as a substitute for that interaction. I don't know if his upbringing has something to do with his personality as it is, but I do think that a part of the blame lies with his parents for not sending him for psychiatric care when his problems first manifested. You can sort of see his vulnerability in his treatment of his doll; he's had it for six years or so, and is in despair when he has to be separated from it when it's going for repairs. The doll isn't about sex for him, but "companionship", unlike for the crazier guys the documentary featured.

[angi]

Well, I watched it all the through because I believe everything should be seen in its entirty in order to come to an informed conclusion...

I know someone who had a friend who worked for the company and she said that the orders are from parapalegics who can't "function" enough to have a relationship with a woman so they get the doll as a place holder and othet types. I can understand that. Someone whose chances of finding a fufilling relationship with another partner due to some extreme disability choosing to have the doll either as an inbetween or place holder for when they do find someone compatible is understandable.

BUT

While I was watching it, I couldn't help but think that this was the ultimate act of misogyny. These guys hang the dolls like pieces of meat. They are repaired. Watching the one guy repair the lady bits, ripping them out, was disturbing. It made me just recoil and wonder, is this all we are to men? I know mentally, logically most men do not fall within this extreme. But when you listen to "regular" guys talk about regular women as a conglomeration of body parts, I can't help but wonder if these "made to order" women aren't the extreme end of this line of thought. my emotial reaction is just that wow, I am nothing more than body parts and because my body parts don't fit a mould, this doll is male perfection. It reminds me of the old jokes of "perfect" women: don't talk, don't think, look good, and are sexually accessible all of the time.

None of these men were beyond finding another oddball match. They chose to be with dolls instead of real women. They would rather carry on a relationship with a doll than "lower" themselves with a less than ideal real woman. That is the part that disturbs me. The last guy seemed to be the most in touch with reality but instead of giving up the dolls to make his girlfriend (who despite what she said was very visibly not ok with it) more comfortable, he decided that she needed to "accept" who he is and have a birthday party with the dolls. No kidding she walked out on that.

It just bothers me that we live in a culture where this is women. I don't think these guys are so extremely warped, like psychopaths or anything. I think they are desperate and acting out on what they think and have been trained is correct. That is what disturbs me the most.

[nskripchun]

These dolls are just an evolutionary step toward sex robots.

F'real. You know some guy / company / hobbyist is out there trying to make one.

[evil_FUX]

Nice point Angi, that sort of reminds me of how porn has warped from the weird and funny plot lines that existed in the 70s into what it is today with all the gonzo crap and how many cocks can you shove into a woman before she gets all raw.

[nekohead]

The black guy...

He is just a STRANGE man who can't even get a real women. I feel really bad about his momma and dad. His dad has to look at his off spring and see him with a White "DOLL".

The Old man.

I feel so bad about him. He is REALLY lonely and NEEDS a REAL women. But, he is TOO scared to meet one.

The hill billy...
He is TOO funny..." I loved the "DOLL" TAPES.." Was that " DOLL" porn?
ha ha!!!!!!!! He thinks 39 is too old to find a REAL women. Then he wants to be burried with his two " DOLL"s What a freak!

The other guy ...
If I was his women, I WOULD have RAN from his CRAZY azz and never look back!! He had the "DOLL"S in the chairs with them..

I watched the whole thing..."

[nottyboy]

I felt more uncomfortable watching Davecat and the guy who does skygliding, than I did watching the other two guys. Not because they were "creepy", whatever that means, but because they look like the type of people that most "normal" people would shun or avoid at best. In a way, I felt guilty watching them 'cause who knows how many people I've helped put in that position just by sheer lack of empathy. These guys were so lonely that they were projecting personalities onto these dolls.

I almost felt the same way about the guy with the long hair. He was definitely bitter-- and, if anyone believes him, it sounded like he had good reason to feel that way. However, he also sounded satisfied with what he had; even defiant-- he's doing things HIS way. In a way, I think having the doll here benefits him and other people. If he were to settle for a woman who would settle for him, they'd probably be the kind of couple who you'd see on COPS or Springer.

The guy who fixes the dolls, and the guy with eight dolls (Mike) seemed to be pretty clear that these dolls just provide enhanced masturbation. Mike, with his eight dolls, probably just wants variety, and a certain kind of body and look; he doesn't believe he can get that in real life. I'm actually skeptical about the whole birthday scene thing; I got the sense that the guy was just trying to push the envelope as far as possible to test the woman. If the guy really "loved" his dolls that much, he wouldn't have them stashed like trash everywhere.

I also failed to see the mysoginy that some folks saw when the dolls were being fixed. The way the guy was pulling the bits and pieces is just a practical reality for these dolls; they don't have biological systems that regenerate.

The one detractor who I felt was really honest was the girlfriend who said that the dolls made her jealous. I think that's what a lot of the objections boil down to for a lot of women: they dolls make them feel insecure.

[kwak76]

I watch the whole thing. Can't believe I did but found it well...fascinating.

I have to disagree with most posters here. I don't think it is misogyny that is part of it. I mean if they were truly misogynistic they would want to hurt live women. Guys who are rapist or plan ways to manipulate women are true misogynist.

If anything you can say these guys are pathetic. I think for the exception of the guy who fixes the doll and the last guy who had a actual real life girl friend everyone else just has this real fear in dealing with real life women. A fear of hurt and rejection. I don't think it is misogyny but they want to escape reality.

I think that black guy(looks little Indian too me) actually has real feelings to an inanimate object(real doll). I can't help but feel sorry for him. I mean if he found happiness with these dolls so be it but I think if he met a real life woman he would realize how much complete it would be. However, the fear of getting hurt and opening up to another person is so much he wants to escape reality with an inanimate object.

I think the guy with the 8 dolls and the guy who fixes them is probably most realistic of the bunch . He recognize the dolls as nothing but masturbation tools. Men are visual creatures. There are allot of guys who would want a hot looking girl even though she may offer nothing else. I hate to say it but men are pretty simple to figure out in what they look for even though it seems so base.