dating ground work

[maogirl]

http://www.datinggroundwork.com/index.html

i read through this site fairly quickly but i thought it was a very realistic, down-to-earth guide for men on all sorts of really useful topics, like:

Fundamentals:
People Skills And Basic Attractiveness - A Foundation For Getting Women

Sexual Inexperience
Being A Virgin After High-School Is Not the End of the World
For Guy Virgins: Basics Things No One Told Me About Sex
Three Main Areas Sexually Inexperienced Guys Need To Work On
Why Sexually Inexperienced Guys Shouldn't Be Too Picky With Women
Trying To Learn How Up Pick Up Girls Can Sidetrack Very Inexperienced Guys
Taking Drastic Action To Get Sexual Experience If You Can't Do It Yourself

Getting Over Your Fears
How To Get More Comfortable Talking To Strange Girls
Common Magic Bullets That Guys Hope Will Cure Their Fear Of Women

Relationships:
A Quick Note About What Relationships Are Like

The 'Seduction Community'
A Long List Of Ways The Seduction Community Can Make You Weird

the seduction community list was so fucking right on...he pretty much articulated why i think it's creepy.

and his basic things about sex article is really good, i think. i wish i'd read something similar all those years ago. now i need to find an guide on celibacy and staying away from the dreaded LSC (love, sex, commitment).

[Synthetic]

While I think it's commendable that someone took the time to make male virgins feel good about themselves, putting it in list form:

"Sexual Inexperience
Being A Virgin After High-School Is Not the End of the World
For Guy Virgins: Basics Things No One Told Me About Sex
Three Main Areas Sexually Inexperienced Guys Need To Work On
Why Sexually Inexperienced Guys Shouldn't Be Too Picky With Women
Trying To Learn How Up Pick Up Girls Can Sidetrack Very Inexperienced Guys
Taking Drastic Action To Get Sexual Experience If You Can't Do It Yourself

Getting Over Your Fears
How To Get More Comfortable Talking To Strange Girls
Common Magic Bullets That Guys Hope Will Cure Their Fear Of Women

Relationships:
A Quick Note About What Relationships Are Like

The 'Seduction Community'
A Long List Of Ways The Seduction Community Can Make You Weird"

...only makes sex seem that much more overwhelming to dudes who haven't had it. In reality, it's quite easily summed up....

"Your first time, you're going to be clumsy, not know what to do, and feel awkward. This being said, either have sex with an older woman who's well experienced and knows you're a virgin, or have sex with someone who's your age and is also a virgin."

...and then make a note to point out that after you've had it once, it's much easier to have it again and again.

[kwak76]

You know since I read up on pick up and done the boot camp and met guys who are into it.

I have to agree with that article regarding pick up community. Personally I still think it can be use in a good way .

To me it's about balance .

[AsianPlayboy]

It's a good site with lots of great articles.

Unfortunately, it also directly plagiarizes- at a 5 minute cursory glance- (or at least draws heavily) directly from many well known PU articles.

If the author at least gave attribution to the original author, I would say it was a kick ass compilation of dating and PU advice.

[maogirl]

It's a good site with lots of great articles.

Unfortunately, it also directly plagiarizes- at a 5 minute cursory glance- (or at least draws heavily) directly from many well known PU articles.

If the author at least gave attribution to the original author, I would say it was a kick ass compilation of dating and PU advice.

from the article on why seduction community people are weird:

Overdoing it with the Community jargon

This is a more minor point. It's one thing to use abbreviations on the internet, but it just sounds weird when you throw around terms like 'Day 2' and 'DHV' in real life. Especially when you do it with non-Community people within listening distance. Also, a lot of Community jargon is redundant. Why say PUA can you can just say player? Why not talk like a regular person?

To get more philosophical, the language you use shapes the way you see the world. If you're always using Community terms to describe everything, it may subtly change the way you see the world for the worse. You'll be that one beat out of synch with the way most people see things, which is part of the essence of being weird.

Basing your entire identity around being a 'PUA'

Another criticism I can't take credit for. Guys in the Community are sometimes seen as lame and creepy by regular folk because their whole identities are built upon their being good with women. Some of them style themselves as Miyamoto Musashi-type characters, on a quest to 'master the game'.

Normal guys who get laid a lot see it as something fun to do, but their entire self-concept doesn't revolve around their ability to pick up. Having good game is a means to an end (sex), not an end in itself. At the worst they may brag about their conquests too much, but if you asked them to sum themselves up in one word, they would never say "Pick Up Artist". They don't plan their lives around being the best player possible. They don't try to master the game for its own sake. They don't see themselves as immersed in a unique lifestyle.



*disinfects self and leaves thread*

[nottyboy]

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/17740/2870650700057795104S500x500Q85.jpg (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2870650700057795104afAtvG)

:)

A few of the criticisms are valid for some people; some are just downright petty. The rest comes down to clashing points of view.One thing that's obvious, however, is that the author is indirectly shilling for Charisma Arts.

He also says: In general the scene as a whole is moving more towards 'Natural Game', but there's still lots of self-hypnosis, visualization, and NLP-type ideas out there.

Thing is, 'Natural Game' is a marketing buzz word used to gain an audience and sell products (same as the concept of a seduction "community"). By the way, you'll rarely get two people agreeing on what "natural game" is.

Anyone really interested in what the original intent, and original group of people were like, is better off checking the 1999-2001 posts from alt.seduction.fast on dejanews. Don't expect to like that either, if you buy into traditional views of romance; expect to see a difference, though.

Incidentally, most of the original guys have either gone underground, or tried to cash in.

[Le Sheng Liu]

I lost my virginity at a very late age and I seldom get any action, but I guess part of the point of this thread is not confusing horniness and lack of xxxperience with desperation. That's why I can respect guys who don't get laid but not when they're willing to fuck any piece of fugly pussy they can get. I still believe in standards for christs sake!!!