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quantum
Dec 19th, 2007, 02:44 PM
Just thought this article from the most recent Economist would be interesting as it's a historical study of what may happen when sex ratios between available men and women are skewed. This may apply to the asian american community (and also china incidentally) given the unbalanced effect of interracial relationships has essentially created an imbalance between the sexes....

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Human mating

A buyers' market

Dec 13th 2007
From The Economist print edition


Men propose; women dispose

WOMEN often complain that dating is like a cattle market, and a paper just published in Biology Letters by Thomas Pollet and Daniel Nettle of Newcastle University, in England, suggests they are right. They have little cause for complaint, however, because the paper also suggests that in this particular market, it is women who are the buyers.

Mr Pollet and Dr Nettle were looking for evidence to support the contention that women choose men of high status and resources, as well as good looks. That may sound common sense, but it was often denied by social scientists until a group of researchers who called themselves evolutionary psychologists started investigating the matter two decades ago. Since then, a series of experiments in laboratories have supported the contention. But as all zoologists know, experiments can only tell you so much. Eventually, you have to look at natural populations.

And that is what Mr Pollet and Dr Nettle have done. They have examined data from the 1910 census of the United States of America and discovered that marriage is, indeed, a market. Moreover, as in any market, a scarcity of buyers means the sellers have to have particularly attractive goods on offer if they are to make the exchange.

The advantage of picking 1910 was that America had not yet settled down, demographically speaking. Though the long-colonised eastern states had a sex ratio of one man to one woman, or thereabouts, in the rest of the country the old adage “go west, young man” had resulted in a surplus of males. Mr Pollet and Dr Nettle were thus able to see just how picky women are, given the chance.

Rather than looking at the whole census, the two researchers relied on a sample of one person in 250. They then assigned the men in the sample a socioeconomic status score between zero and 96, on a scale drawn up in 1950 (which was as close to 1910 as they could get). They showed that in states where the sexes were equal in number, 56% of low status men were married by the age of 30, while 60% of high status men were. Even in this case, then, there are women who would prefer to remain single rather than marry a deadbeat. When there were 110 men for every 100 women (as, for example, in Arizona), the women got really choosy. In that case only 24% of low-status men were married by 30 compared with 46% of high-status men. As the men went west, then, so did their marriage opportunities.

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http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10283290

Dialectic
Dec 19th, 2007, 03:47 PM
Thanks for the article! Generally and very simplistically speaking, men select for health (for reproductive capability, as indicated by physical appearance), and women select for dominance (social and economic). This becomes less true the more a society moves away from its biospheric roots (as women become as economically productive as men), but it's still pretty true for most of the world.

kwak76
Dec 19th, 2007, 04:05 PM
Allot of this is just common sense.

Some will argue that this is just innate. Women want to find the best suitors for obvious reasons but also to past on the best genes for their progeny. Where as men given a choice prefer to have a young pretty woman but also want to mate with as many females.

maverick4
Dec 22nd, 2007, 08:07 PM
The social status/prestige of a man is a huge part of whether a woman is into a male's advances towards her, which is why it's so important to improve the social prestige of Asian American men through mass media. Our crappy social status here is why Asian American women are the only race whose majority don't prefer their own men, why we currently see so many pretty young Asian girls with White guys who are bald, wimpy, social rejects, or fat (disproportionate attractiveness pairing), and conversely why some really rich or handsome or smart or charistmatic Asian guys with White women who wouldn't be with them without those extras.

kwak76
Dec 22nd, 2007, 10:21 PM
maverick4,

Agree and disagree. Society will change only if the individual changes first. What I mean is it comes down to you. I realize that later in life when I should of realize it earlier in life and not wasted so much time.

Asian men has a disadvantage but he must work so much harder to get whatever he wants out of life. That's a given but if he shows people or girls or what he is made of slowly but surely there will be change at least in that small circle of society view Asian man.

You can't depend upon others to up lift you or mass media to create change. It's the other way around. We have to change to change society not society changing for us.

maverick4
Dec 23rd, 2007, 05:34 PM
maverick4,

Agree and disagree. Society will change only if the individual changes first. What I mean is it comes down to you.

Actually, it doesn't.

You can go ahead and change the maybe 1000 people you can potentially affect in your life, see what good it does (nothing on a macro scale).

We have to change social norms and the social prestige of Asian American men through mass media and entertainment images. This will influence millions of nonAsians as well as Asian youth on how they see Asians.

kwak76
Dec 23rd, 2007, 07:43 PM
maverick4,

Ideally if mass media was on our side than it would be easier to showcase Asians in different light but until than the only other options is more of a grass roots effort. It starts with yourself and your cirlce of peers.

And who knows maybe within that small cirlce is someone powerful enough to influnence bigger cirlces.