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RebelAzn
Nov 15th, 2007, 03:32 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-071115

Best Rookie? Yi Has Edge On Favored Durant
Thorpe

By David Thorpe
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Based on his early numbers, few would predict that Sonics forward Kevin Durant will end up anything but Rookie of the Year. His raw statistics (20.3 points per game, 4.9 rebounds per game) are hard to ignore.

But by my standards, Bucks forward Yi Jianlian has been the best rookie to date.

Yi's play has been both surprising and inspiring. Surprising in that no one has a bigger cultural change to adjust to, yet Yi looks like he's been an NBA pro for years. He has a clear plan for success and has executed that plan with discipline and talent.

Yi has an excellent shooting stroke (though a base that is too wide oftentimes) with range beyond the 3-point line. Yet, he has done a terrific job of spotting up inside the line and taking higher percentage shots, making 47.5 percent. Eventually he will choose to take the 3 over the long 2 more frequently, but his plan of easing into the NBA game and trying to experience more success early is right on.

What I love about Yi's offensive game is his versatility and mental acuity. In a series of plays, we will see him post up and back his guy down, face up in the midpost, slash to an opening inside, go glass, and play off the ball beautifully. And he does all of it with passion and purpose.

His agility for a guy his size is impressive, as is his "smoothness" as an athlete, but he also has a fire around the rim (averaging 5.8 boards per game) that will serve him well for years. That fire helps him on defense, too, where he has blocked at least one shot in all but two games so far, with multiple blocks in four. Watching him play leaves me wondering: What kind of numbers would he be putting up if he were playing in Seattle? He's averaging 11.8 ppg in Milwaukee.

Which brings us to Durant. As documented in a previous column, KD has a rare set of gifts, and he is the best 19-year-old player on Earth. But he does indeed play like a 19-year-old, looking like a kid in a candy store whose father is letting him eat whatever he wants.

His propensity to shoot 3s has not lessened since opening night, but his overall efficiency has. Perhaps Sonics coach P.J. Carlesimo figures allowing Durant to run wild now (and lose often) will help him learn how to better value shots and possessions later (anyone remember "Brewster's Millions"?).

He may be right, but even Carlesimo must wonder where the killer from Texas went, the guy who destroyed his opponents on the boards and on defense, too. Right now, he is shooting everything in sight (38.2 field goal percentage), while Yi is choosing wisely and building confidence along the way.

What I'd like to see:

Yi: Better form on his left-handed hooks. He is satisfied with getting the shot off instead of focusing on his mechanics and finishing.

Durant: Fewer contested 3s. More one- and two-dribble pull-up jumpers instead of the runners he is trying.

Here are my Top 10 rookies at this early stage:

1. Yi Jianlian, Bucks: Yi plays like a veteran, reading the game and looking for ways to utilize his talent and size.

2. Kevin Durant, Sonics: KD could stand to study some film of Yi, learning to slow down and not take shots just because he can get them off.

3. Al Horford, Hawks: Big Al plays just as we expected -- he is very competitive inside and already a rebounding force.

4. Jamario Moon, Raptors: Moon defends, hustles and can finish. He may be the small forward Toronto's looking for.

5. Sean Williams, Nets: No one doubted his talent, just his maturity. If he can grow up, this young man has the tools to be a strong NBA player.

6. Jeff Green, Sonics: Green is third in scoring and fifth in rebounding among rookies. Now if he and KD can win a few games he may be moving up this list.

7. Jason Smith, Sixers: His numbers aren't great, but he's very efficient for a rookie. He may be getting more minutes soon.

8. Darius Washington, Spurs: D-Wash is only getting 11 minutes per game, but he is using every minute to make plays and help the Spurs win games.

9. Jared Dudley, Bobcats: Another efficient player who may be getting more time soon. He had a double-double against Phoenix.

10. Corey Brewer, Timberwolves: When he gets decent minutes, Brewer provides scoring, defense and intangibles. This kid is energy personified on the court.

David Thorpe is an NBA analyst for ESPN.com and the executive director of the Pro Training Center at the IMG Academies in Bradenton, Fla., where he oversees the player development program for the NBA and college players.

Despite doubters and idiots like "Timmy I don't know shit ho", Yi has been proving doubters wrong. He is one of the top rookies in a draft class that was totally stacked. Here is the latest article from ESPN. Yes Timmy, I think ESPN does know a thing or two about basketball than whatever idiot(s) you brought up for your reference.

AZN MAN
Nov 17th, 2007, 02:20 PM
I still haven't had an opportunity to see this guy play an NBA game yet, though I'm glad to hear he's doing well initially. My team travels to Milwaukee next week so I'll try and check him out on TV.

xian
Nov 17th, 2007, 02:30 PM
My students were really impressed with him, and then tend to sometimes be on the "only us blacks are good at sport" tip.

RebelAzn
Nov 17th, 2007, 07:19 PM
I still haven't had an opportunity to see this guy play an NBA game yet, though I'm glad to hear he's doing well initially. My team travels to Milwaukee next week so I'll try and check him out on TV.

I am pretty sure you would like him. He plays hard on both ends of the floor. He is long and super athletic. He might be the best athlete on the Bucks which is saying a lot. Most of the Buck fans are impressive with his defensive. He does not take nearly as many shots as Kevin Durant but he is way better on the defense end.

Oh yea, he can shoot too. I think kids will like him cause he can move like a small forward and he is 7 feet tall. You count probably count players like that on one hand in the entire world.

SamuraiJack
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:03 PM
I can't believe I'm actually keeping track of the Milwaukee Bucks, and I'm not even in a fantasy league this year.

AZN MAN
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:11 PM
I am pretty sure you would like him. He plays hard on both ends of the floor. He is long and super athletic. He might be the best athlete on the Bucks which is saying a lot. Most of the Buck fans are impressive with his defensive. He does not take nearly as many shots as Kevin Durant but he is way better on the defense end.

Oh yea, he can shoot too. I think kids will like him cause he can move like a small forward and he is 7 feet tall. You count probably count players like that on one hand in the entire world.

Here is what separates me from the Pro Scouts and players even though some of them schooled me - I'll never be on their level when evaluating talent. When I personally watched some games featuring the Chinese National Team, I didn't see Yi Jianlian display some of the skills that I hear about and read about from NBA games. He was passive, rarely went into the post on offense, and would get overpowered on the defensive end by stronger opposing players.

I thought that Al Horford would make an immediate impact in the NBA, and I wondered how Kevin Durant's game would be affected by the stronger, more athletic, and more physical players in the pro game versus college players. It is sometimes quite surprising when some players display skills in the NBA game that they didn't display in other leagues/countries.

I'd like to see Yi do well, and am anxious to see him play at this level. Though it's interesting to offer reviews on a rookie this early in the season, to be fair an overall analysis should be undertaken at the conclusion of the NBA year.

AZN MAN
Nov 22nd, 2007, 03:56 AM
I didn't have an opportunity to watch much of this game. In the very limited time I watched Yi play, I saw the mid-range jump shot; if anybody was able to see him - did the Bucks use him in pick and roll and/or pick and pop situations throughout the game?

At times Yi looked a little lost but his team was guilty of that as well, on both sides of the ball. I also noticed that just like Yao, he has a decent base (Leg strength) but he needs to further develop his upper body so he can absorb more contact in the paint.

Once he gets more of a feel for the NBA game and the players, he'll learn how to play to his strengths versus opposing players' weaknesses. For instance, he kept Vladimir Radmonovic off the boards but at times allowed Vlad to roam too freely on offense while defending him; he'll learn more with experience and hopefully adapt well. I was hoping to see him work in the post but Milwaukee chose to keep Bogut closer to the bucket, but I understand as Yi complements that inside/outside offensive gameplan due to his stroke.

Overall, the Bucks beat the Lakers but I was only able to watch Yi for maybe 3 or 4 minutes, not enough to give any sort of review. Anybody else?

RebelAzn
Nov 22nd, 2007, 04:13 AM
Overall, the Bucks beat the Lakers but I was only able to watch Yi for maybe 3 or 4 minutes, not enough to give any sort of review. Anybody else?

You obviously need to watch him more to have an more educated opinion. You missed the part when he chased down Kobe after Kobe went for a break away dunk. He caught up to Kobe and prevented him from making a basket even though he fouled Kobe. The fact is a 7 footer is able to chase down Kobe end to end is impressive. He is WAY better than you give him credit for. Ask any Bucks fan and you will see in depth analysis of his games. Here is a Bucks forum: bucks.realgm.com. Obviously some people who have WATCHED all of his games are paying attention.

We had this debate over the summer. Like I said, your analysis of him are way off and I am glad I was right. When I saw him, I had no doubt he could play in the NBA. There are certain skills it is hard to teach. This kid has very high basketball IQ. Today's Laker game (yes I saw the whole game) was not one of his best but it was not one of his worst. If he is allowed to shoot like Durant is (18-30 shots a game), there is no doubt this kid will average 20+ points a game. Right now he is like the 4th or 5th option on the game he is not taking a lot of shots. Bucks have Redd, Mo and Bogut taking majority of shots. Yi is already playing good defense, which is something more rookies have a hard time with. He did a great job on Odom when he was matched up against Odom. Yi has to earn his shots right now since Bucks have many other options. However, I think this is good for him since he is still learning. Also, he has not got a ton of touches in the post but he was able to get fouls when he tried to score in the post. Also, he drove to basketball today all the way from the perimeter and scored once. Those are signs of talent to come.

For the Lakers game, Yi was 4-6 with 12 points and 6 rebounds in 22 mins of play. Odom played 40 mins and he was 3-11 for 8 points and 7 rebounds and 4 assists. Valdmir was 3-6 with 13 points and 2 rebounds. Valdmir was 2-5 from 3 point line.

Here is another updated article from ESPN today:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=thorpe_david&page=Rookies-071121&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dthorpe_ david%26page%3dRookies-071121

Here are my Top 10 rookies three weeks into the season:

1. Yi Jianlian, Bucks
The everyday grind may be taking a slight toll on Yi, who had three straight single-digit scoring games after posting four straight of 12 or more. I expect him to adjust and make quick progress, being helped by a team that has won four of its past six.

2. Kevin Durant, Sonics
In Seattle's past five games, KD has attempted 16 3-pointers and grabbed just 12 rebounds in almost 33 minutes per game. That is an inexcusable stat for an athletic and tall guard who played so hard in college.

3. Al Horford, Hawks
Hard to imagine Al ever slipping below this spot. Not hard to imagine him moving up based on his robot-like consistency -- he has shown he is ready to play in this league, as we all expected him to be.

4. Sean Williams, Nets
Had the best week of his class, averaging 13 and 6 with three blocks and a steal in four games.

5. Jamario Moon, Raptors
It's looking like the small forward spot will be his for the season.

6. Juan Carlos Navarro, Grizzlies
His 8-of-9 on 3s in one game is tremendous but, more importantly, he is starting to learn how to contribute offensively inside the 3-point line.

7. Luis Scola, Rockets
Back-to-back 20-point efforts are really good for a normal rookie, but Scola needs to find ways to use his talent and experience to help the Rockets get some wins.

8. Jeff Green, Sonics
Third in points per game and fourth in rebounds per game amongst rookies. Coming off his first double-double, Green is making more of a winning contribution than KD.

9. Daequan Cook, Heat
When he gets a chance to play, he scores. And it appears he might be part of the rotation now.

10. Jason Smith, Sixers
Minutes are yo-yoing a little, which is normal for a rook, but he finds a way to make plays when he gets the chance.

RebelAzn
Nov 25th, 2007, 01:42 PM
http://photo9.hexun.com/p/2007/1125/148779/b_0588916C45D7C82C4E853803BAEBE9FE.jpg

Bucks beat Mavs yesterday: 97-95

CJF
Jan 24th, 2008, 01:34 AM
I still haven't had an opportunity to see this guy play an NBA game yet, though I'm glad to hear he's doing well initially. My team travels to Milwaukee next week so I'll try and check him out on TV.

Really good mid-range game. Potential to extend it to 3 is there.

Very fast laterally.

Length combined with quickness gets him a lot of steals and blocks.

Good finisher.

Needs to bulk up to make himself a better rebounder.

Still makes rookie mistakes on defense.

I don't think he is best as a Buck. IMO he needs to play with a legit back to the basket center.

He should go to the Lakers and play with Bynum!:D

Liang
Mar 9th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Wow look how things have changed since last year. He was definitely top 3 in ROY considerations...now he's just done.