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lopan
Jul 6th, 2007, 01:59 PM
Some recent reports on prostate cancer by the BBC. If you haven't heard about this, I suggeset further reading. What I find really interesting is the second article, which puts prostate cancer risk up 40% among men who father only daughters. Weird.

What scares me though is the multivitamin warning; i was taking heavy duty Mens' Multis for a few months because I've been training hard. Now i've gone off them completely. I talked to a rep at GNC the other day about the issue -- however he didn't seem to be aware of it. Who knows?


Multivitamin prostate warning
Taking lots of multivitamins may increase the risk of deadly prostate cancer, say US researchers.
Their study showed taking multivitamins more than seven times a week was associated with an increased risk of advanced and fatal prostate cancer.

There was no link with early cancer or localised prostate cancer, the researchers wrote in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

Experts advised men to eat a healthy diet to reduce their risk of cancer.

The findings, based on data on nearly 300,000 men, indicated the risk of advanced prostate cancer is 32% higher in men who take multivitamins more than once a day than in those who do not take them at all.

Risk of fatal prostate cancer was almost double.


It's still not entirely clear what factors can affect a man's risk of developing prostate cancer
Liz Baker, Cancer Research UK
The correlation was strongest for men with a family history of the disease, and who also took selenium, beta-carotene or zinc supplements.

It is unclear why the multivitamins may increase the risk of certain types of prostate cancer.

Study leader Dr Karla Lawson from the US National Cancer Institute said: "The possibility that men taking high levels of multivitamins along with other supplements have increased risk of advanced and fatal prostate cancers is of concern and merits further evaluation."

Because multivitamins contain so many different components and men taking a lot of them were more likely to be taking other supplements, the researchers were unable to tease out what was causing the association.

In an accompanying editorial, European researchers said a high intake of fruit and vegetables has been shown to reduce the risk of cancer.

But it is not clear which nutrients have a positive effect.

Antioxidants

There has been a lot of research into antioxidants such as vitamin C and E because it is believed they may protect cells against damage.

However, some analyses have suggested that beta-carotene, vitamin A and vitamin E supplements may shorten life rather than extend it.

The amounts of antioxidants needed to offer any potential protection are not known and may differ between individuals.

Liz Baker, science information officer at Cancer Research UK, said: "It's still not entirely clear what factors can affect a man's risk of developing prostate cancer.

"And there is conflicting evidence on the pros and cons of vitamin supplements.

"These products don't seem to give us the same benefits as vitamins that naturally occur in our food.

"We encourage people wanting to reduce their risk of cancer to eat a diet rich in fibre, vegetables and fruit, and low in red and processed meat."

Georgia Diebel, a specialist nurse at the Prostate Cancer Charity said: "With all vitamins, we recommend that men do not exceed the daily recommended dose stated on the bottle.

"People often think of them as something 'natural' and do not understand that they still have to be metabolised and used by the body - a study like this suggests they are not safe in larger quantities."

Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in men. It kills one man every hour in the UK.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/6657795.stm

Published: 2007/05/16 06:21:04 GMT

© BBC MMVII


Daughters linked to prostate risk
Men who father daughters, not sons, may be at a greater risk of developing prostate cancer, researchers have said.
The Israeli team found men with three daughters and no sons were up to 60% more likely to develop prostate cancer.

But the Journal of the National Cancer Institute study suggests the cause may be the male "Y" sex chromosome, not the act of having either a son or daughter.

UK experts said a common genetic cause may affect both cancer risk and the chance a man will father girls.

Prostate cancer is the most common male cancer, with more than 30,000 new cases in the UK in 2003.

It affects the prostate gland, which is found near the bladder in men, and produces one component of semen.

Health aware

The Israeli research looked at more than 38,000 men, and compared the families of the 712 diagnosed with prostate cancer with those of the other men.

Overall, compared with men who had at least one son, those with only daughters were 40% more likely to develop prostate cancer.

The risk increased when a man had three or more daughters and no sons.

The researchers looked for alternative explanations for the apparent difference.

Since prostate problems are often only detected when a man attends for routine health screening, they suggested that it was possible that having a predominantly female family might encourage a man to be more health-conscious.


No-one should rush off with the idea that girls give their fathers prostate cancer
Chris Hiley
Prostate Cancer Charity
Another possibility was that men having daughter after daughter might go to the doctor to find out if there was any problem stopping them from fathering a son.

Poor conception

However, there was no evidence to support these explanations, and the researchers suggested that a genetic cause could be contributing to both the birth of daughters and the risk of cancer.

Men supply one sex chromosome in their sperm - this can be either a Y, producing a male embryo, or an X, producing a female embryo.

Faults on the man's Y chromosome might not only affect the likelihood of conception or development of male offspring, but also lead to cancer development, it was suggested.

The Prostate Cancer Charity head of policy and research Chris Hiley said: "This is an interesting study - it certainly attracts the attention, but it doesn't yet translate into useful advice for men until other complex genetic studies are done.

"Further research to confirm these findings in men from other parts of the world is needed.

"We also need to uncover exactly what it is about the Y chromosome, which only men have, that might make men who are diagnosed with prostate cancer also more likely to have fathered girls rather than boys.

"In the meantime no-one should rush off with the idea that girls give their fathers prostate cancer."


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/6225891.stm

Published: 2007/01/03 09:06:35 GMT

© BBC MMVII

Presto
Jul 6th, 2007, 02:13 PM
I don't think journalists as a whole do a very good job reporting on health issues.

cattygurl
Jul 6th, 2007, 06:57 PM
There's too much controversy over supplements. It's a new one every week- one pro, next anti.

I try to get around that by taking supplements that are food based, and I take them when my diet is seriously lacking.

Guys, encourage your fathers to get prostate exams. Drive them if you have to. Take it from a daughter of prostate cancer survivor. Prostate cancer is one of the easiest cancers to cure when caught early, and unlike other cancers, it's NOT hard to catch.

You love your dad- make sure he gets checked.

ellencho
Jul 6th, 2007, 07:02 PM
The research I'm doing suggests that resveratrol, a chemical found in some plants (large amounts are found in red grapes) is good for interfering with pathways that lead to prostate cancer, so there you go, I just gave you an excuse to drink red wine bitches. And you're welcome.

theme
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:25 PM
You know I always thought that the sex of the children could be influenced by the parents on a subconscious level. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a correlation between female daughters and prostate cancer, even if it's just a small one.

I think the human brain is not the only intelligent organ in the body. The human body itself is just really intelligent. It knows when to grow muscle or when to let it go or make specific adaptations that would aid in it's survival.

vsoy
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:42 PM
I haven't read the study, but I think the key phrase is "more than 1 multivitamin/day". Many multivitamins are =/>100% of the RDA so if you're taking more than 1/day, then you're ingesting way too much and most likely literally pissing it all out.

Keep in mind, you're getting vitamins and minerals from the food you eat, so by taking 1 multivitamin, you should be just fine. I take a multivitamin just in case my diet is lacking in something that day/ week. For myself and I think for most people, we forget to take a multivitamin every single day and we're not ingesting too much vitamins, so I think the risk is still pretty low. Since you paid all that money for your vitamins lopan, you might as well finish them off, just don't pop more than 1 a day. Maybe talking to your doctor/ trainer/ nutritionist about your concerns will help you make an informed decision that will make you feel better.

I imagine the people who took took more than 1 multivitamin and developed prostate cancer are the ones who take insane amounts of vitamins and supplements. The body is amazing in how it regulates the amount of vitamins, minerals and metals it needs and we still don't completely understand how it senses the amounts in the body and act appropriately. But for certain, if there's too much of one thing, the body will get rid of it but like anything, overwhelm the system and all hell breaks loose.

I find the people at GNC to be pretty clueless and a bunch of pill pushers. I had a very bad experience with a GNC that was trying to cheat my mom and make her buy all this shit she didn't need. They would overcharge stuff and it really turned me off to this company. In the US, the supplement industry is largely unregulated and so there's a lot of bullshit.

vsoy
Jul 6th, 2007, 09:53 PM
You know I always thought that the sex of the children could be influenced by the parents on a subconscious level.

Um, the sex of the baby is determined by the father's sperm, not by "wishing" for boy or girl. Also, studies have found that fast swimming sperm or sperm that was deposited into the woman's uterus right at the time of ovulation tend to result in male babies, whereas slower swimming sperm or sperm deposited before ovulation tend to give rise to female babies.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/10825/choosing_the_sex_of_your_baby.html
If you make the argument "hitting it" right before or right around ovulation is how people "subconsciously" manipulate the sex of their baby, then so be it.


As to the whole prostate and having girls, I don't know much about it. I have 2 brother in laws with 2 girls each, so we'll see.

ChÈ
Jul 7th, 2007, 02:59 AM
There was a report mentioned recently in the news which said that smokers were generally more likely to father girls rather than boys because male sperm tended to be more susceptible to being killed off by nicotine.

Maybe there is a correlation somewhere in there? Unhealthy behaviours can kill off the male sperm first and also contribute as a factor to the onset of prostate cancer.

cattygurl
Jul 7th, 2007, 03:43 AM
Theme, that was the most asinine thing I've read since the recent article on creationism.

theme
Jul 7th, 2007, 04:43 AM
Theme, that was the most asinine thing I've read since the recent article on creationism.

ah screw it I'm not going to start something. Think what you want.

healingtouch
Jul 10th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Well I do not know whether you people are aware of this but I got to learn from another website just a short time ago that problems of prostrate cancer can be rectified with the help of taking the hot pepper as a diet! Now the site obviously had resources to support the claim but I would like to ask the same from people here so that the thing gets confirmed.

theme
Jul 11th, 2007, 09:15 AM
Well I do not know whether you people are aware of this but I got to learn from another website just a short time ago that problems of prostrate cancer can be rectified with the help of taking the hot pepper as a diet! Now the site obviously had resources to support the claim but I would like to ask the same from people here so that the thing gets confirmed.

i call shenanigans. If it was as easy as eating red peppers i think we'd know about it by now.