girls in Asia

[kwak76]

Just recently I had friend who visited Korea for 3 weeks. From his view point he thinks the girls in Asia are more naive than American woman. He thinks this is probably one of the biggest reason why it is easier for a Western guy to get a girl in Asia because the girls there are just naive and buy into whatever romantic notion that guys say over there.

Hmm...thinking about it I think he might have a point. From my experience dating native Korean girls vs. Americanize Korean girl I find that the native or "fobby" k-girls tend to be mroe naive. Pretty much naive about everything but than again I'm not sure if it's just an act or not.

I'm not sure how other women are like in the other Asian countries.

[Presto]

I'm not too sure how anyone can be an expert on the mindset on a particular ethnic group in just three weeks.

[theme]

Presto...your life is in danger. Step away from the thread, very slowly, and whatever you do...don't make sudden movements.

[Tyger Durden]

I'm not too sure how anyone can be an expert on the mindset on a particular ethnic group in just three weeks.

Sure you can. It's called Tourism.

[kwak76]

presto,

good point.

[.:hanbox3r]

Just recently I had friend who visited Korea for 3 weeks. From his view point he thinks the girls in Asia are more naive than American woman. He thinks this is probably one of the biggest reason why it is easier for a Western guy to get a girl in Asia because the girls there are just naive and buy into whatever romantic notion that guys say over there.

Your friend is just (un)lucky enough to run into girls with those specific qualities for 3 weeks straight. Buy him a lottery ticket.

[Heyyu]

I do have to agree that Asian girls over in Asia are much more naive about the West. Again, 90% of what they get is from the American media. And literally ONLY the American media. The American media is so ubiquitous in Asia that there's nothing to counteract it... not even other Western media like French/German/Spain/Italian/etc. Perhaps you get the occasional British BBC feature or some Russian crap but that's about it.

Well the American media is pretty much omnipresent throughout the entire globe, but it wreaks particular havoc in Asia. That's because many Asians in general have absolutely no knowledge of the outside world, particularly the non-Western world like South America or Africa. Or even other Asian countries like the Indian subcontinent & the Middle East. One is due to indifference about the rest of the world except the West (cause the West is Best in their minds). Another is due to shyness/cultural incompatibility, since many Asians don't interact with foreigners even if they'd like to.

Foreigners in Asia occupy this mysterious "other" world that many native Asians have no clue about yet are curious of and many of the younger teens have romantic notions about. Particularly the younger generation of Asians who were weened during the internet age & consume the American media in such mass quantities by downloading all those Hollywood movies/American pop music/magazines crap.

So thus for many Asians the American media serves as their ONLY source & window into the outside world. Thus they form their opinions through it and that's not only ignorant but dangerous since the American media isn't exactly the most unbiased viewpoint with its silly stereotypes and the American media's penchant for "sensationalist news."

[kwak76]

Heyu,

I think you went off in a tangent. I think your going into what type of media exposure or what type of news they get more so than being naive. I do agree that in Asia they get one type of exposure but you could also argue about that for any other country.

I would think in Arab countries they get a very one sided view in the media and the news but does that mean that an Arab girl is more naive than an American girl? In some cases yes in other cases no.

I think I have to re-phase my thread to make it more clearer. I spoke to my friend again and asked him what made him think Korean girls in Korean are more naive per say.

He thinks it's dating style or experience. For example here in the states if he approaches a girl and she is not interested she will either tell him to take a hike or just lie about it. She might lie by giving him a fake phone number or say something like she has a boyfriend already.

In Korea the Korean girls he met up didn't do that. If he ask for thier number even though the girl might not be interested she still gives him the number. (From my own experience in Korea I also encountered this.) Typically the girl will not pick up the phone if she is not interested. To me this doesn't sound like the girl is naive but just a different style of re-buffing you.

I think in Korea they have a hard time saying no to your face and do it more in a backhanded way but he also mentioned that with American girls you have to impress more with what you say where as in Korea if you make a funny face or saying something corny you can actually win them over. In other words there is less effort getting a k-girl vs. American girl. Again I think this is case by case experience with him being lucky over there.

My friend is Korean American male so I'm assuming as a Korean American he has some advantage dating in Korea because he is more accepted there than vs. let say dating in Ohio , USA.

But he does bring up interesting points about how girls react differently over there vs. USA girls.

[Scowl]

So thus for many Asians the American media serves as their ONLY source & window into the outside world. Thus they form their opinions through it and that's not only ignorant but dangerous since the American media isn't exactly the most unbiased viewpoint with its silly stereotypes and the American media's penchant for "sensationalist news."

American media is the only window into the outside world for many Americans, too.

You know, I'm always wary of topics like this because it always comes down to the same conclusion: Girls in Asia (everyone, but the girls in particular) are white worshippers and/or easy sluts for foreign/white men. These conclusions are always justified by personal anecdotes, all of which are exactly the same: "I was with my white/banana friends in the tourist/expat/foreigner district and OMFG Asians are such white worshippers!"

I think in Korea they have a hard time saying no to your face

Well, it's an incredibly rude and impolite thing to do. We do it in the US because we are a rude and impolite people.

in Korea if you make a funny face or saying something corny you can actually win them over. In other words there is less effort getting a k-girl vs. American girl.

Think about how much privilege your friend has in the US compared to the local citizens, and how much he has in Korea.

But he does bring up interesting points about how girls react differently over there vs. USA girls.

Of course girls in Korea are going to react differently than girls in the USA. Girls in China certainly do. I bet girls in the Ukraine act differently, too, as well as girls in Uganda. Why shouldn't they?

[Heyyu]

American media is the only window into the outside world for many Americans, too.

EXACTLY my point! Thus they get the same stereotypes as Americans. For instance, the whole "hip-hop" black thug stereotype is prevalent throughout Asia and it's from watching all those movies and listening to the rap music. Although ironically, it actually might have somewhat improved the status of blacks in Asia (that they're "cool") although in a sorta back-handed way.

I do agree that in Asia they get one type of exposure but you could also argue about that for any other country.

I would think in Arab countries they get a very one sided view in the media and the news but does that mean that an Arab girl is more naive than an American girl? In some cases yes in other cases no.

Well here's what I mean by one-sided. With many of the countries in the other continents like Europe and South America and Africa... there's a good deal of anti-Americanism in their media. So thus when they absorb the American media (watching the movies, listening to the music, wearing the clothes, etc.), there is at least something to counteract it from their own media.

For many of the Asian countries... I don't see it. Not even China's media, which many Americans claim is "anti-American" and always make a fuss about the "freedom of the press" in China and blah blah blah. What many Americans don't get is that for many Chinese, particularly the younger Chinese, they get their info off the internet and from the same damn websites as Americans.

The only media that can legitimately be called anti-American in East/Southeast Asia is North Korea. And perhaps Burma (aka Myanmar), although I hear Americans are popular with the Burmese despite the political problems in that country.

[elliott20]

I would like to believe that a lot of this foreigner worship has to do with a novelty value of it all. Every single white friend I have in Taiwan seems to have their stock shoot up. So even overweight Joe Schmoe from mediocre-ville, USA can suddenly become pretty decent at meeting women. But at the same time, I rarely see any of them capable of holding their "relationships" together for any significant amount of time.

[nekohead]

That is so true elliott20. Even in Hawaii. Where everywhere you turn you will see Asian everything. The Whites over here seem to be seeing Divorce papers like you will never know! These men think that a Asian women will be their CUTE little wife forever. Even when they have Teen- age children. These men need to stop going to Asia trying to get women they think that will never leave them because they are WHITE..." They need to take self-esteem classes or something.

( http://www.utexas.edu/student/cmhc/booklets/selfesteem/selfest.html )

Going to Asia to pick up women because you are a LOSER with women in your OWN land is NOT a problem solver. I seen first hand when I was in Japan working on the Navy base at the NEX. How the White and YES even the Black guys disrespected the Japanese women! :( Some of those women I was friends with and I believe I still am! But, the boys would treat them as they were on base to be thier CUTE flirt toy and soon their SEX toy!! :( I would get so pissed at my Black so called brothers for this. They along with their White buddys were BOTH equal with the Disrespect. Most of them would never do that to their OWN women. Why do that to the Asian women? It was so bad that we had many women quit!!!! I think that is how I got a job their in the first place. Because, I sure don't have a GOOD job in Hawaii.." But, anyways. The guys need to STOP and realize that these women are just like ALL women. They do not want to be treated like a SEX toy.
When I first got into the Navy. I was treated like a ship mate. I got to hear ALL of the talk without having to go through channels to be trusted. I was already COOL with the many groups I ran across. The saying goes - in so and so country, they LOVE Black men. I always wondered, how do they LOVE Black men? When they never seen one? Or when they did, the guy would always want to get them in bed? That is like if I was still in my homeland ( the USA) and some Mexican guy would be coming on to me really STRONG. We are raised diffrent and all he wanted was SEX. I would NOT love his ass. I would warn my girlfriends about him. But, he in turn would go tell his buddys, Black chicks LOVE Mexicans.
The White guys are spreading their little storys like the Black guys. It will NEVER stop. but, don't be angry at the Asian women for this. Some of these women that get with these guys are new to dating, though most are not. These guys are somewhat masters at sweet talk when they want to be. That is after they realize that Disrespecting a girl will get you only SLUTS that may get you some STD.
This one White guy I knew over their scared off a good Japanese women. For one reason, she did NOT want a WHITE or Black man. He never asked. She had a huge crush on a few of the Japanese men at work. She just turned 19. She was just a KID. The White guy was bringing her CRAZY gifts. First he brought her a Rose. She was like, um, thank you. Then he brought her a neacklace, she was like getting freaked out. The DUMB ASS needed to STOP!! She never dated first of all, and second of all, they never really TALKED. She was like, scared of him, she told me later. She quit after a week later. She was a GREAT worker, I was pissed at that DUMB guy.

[kwak76]

So Nekohead you would agree that Asian women in Asia or in your first hand experience Japanese women in Japan are NAIVE in dealing with western men.

I think that is what my friend was getting at in Korea. Korean girls know how to handle Korean men but when it came to Western men they had no clue. Some Korean girls buy into the hype that western men are more romantic and open minded and therefore were very easy for white guys to pick up k-girls.

I think to some extent this is also true in Japan. I think western guys just buy into the myth that Asian women want them all the time so therefore act very aggressive when they see an Asian girl.

[nekohead]

I believe Women in any part of the world outside of the USA are really clueless. But, it is a culture thing. In the USA everything is BAM in your face. People wear HATE items in the open. Rebel flags on their cars and so on. Then these Whites and Blacks take their tude to the parts unknown outside the USA. They HEAR from their boy that these women WANT them and so they go for it. Without been a REAL gentleman like they would be with their OWN race of women. If they are nice to the girl, then it is just a ACT.
The japanese guys got their share of HITS from the USA girls. Don't get me wrong. But, these guys I worked with been too the USA for college. They were treated like PURE CRAP!! :( This one Hot japanese guy told me how they called him MONKEY?! I was like WOW that was stupid. They could not figure out anything else to call him? They still call us Blacks that. He is Japanese!! He also seen how the White girls acted in college.. :( Lets just say, He wants NOTHING to do with a WHITE girl. He is a player. But, Japanese and other Asian women ONLY!! Eventhough, when he worked at the NEX, White chicks HIT on him NON STOP. I think that is why he quit. He was HOT though!! :) Also, it really hurt him in the LONG run. He really did not like to talk about the USA too much. You can see it in his face. But, I was glad he knew how the USA really was.

[kwak76]

so nekohead,

Let's both agree that America people suck and that anyone foreign should not date them.

[Presto]

Going to Asia to pick up women because you are a LOSER with women in your OWN land is NOT a problem solver. I seen first hand when I was in Japan working on the Navy base at the NEX. How the White and YES even the Black guys disrespected the Japanese women! :( Some of those women I was friends with and I believe I still am! But, the boys would treat them as they were on base to be thier CUTE flirt toy and soon their SEX toy!! :( I would get so pissed at my Black so called brothers for this. They along with their White buddys were BOTH equal with the Disrespect. Most of them would never do that to their OWN women. Why do that to the Asian women? It was so bad that we had many women quit!!!! I think that is how I got a job their in the first place. Because, I sure don't have a GOOD job in Hawaii.." But, anyways. The guys need to STOP and realize that these women are just like ALL women. They do not want to be treated like a SEX toy.
When I first got into the Navy. I was treated like a ship mate. I got to hear ALL of the talk without having to go through channels to be trusted. I was already COOL with the many groups I ran across. The saying goes - in so and so country, they LOVE Black men. I always wondered, how do they LOVE Black men? When they never seen one? Or when they did, the guy would always want to get them in bed? That is like if I was still in my homeland ( the USA) and some Mexican guy would be coming on to me really STRONG. We are raised diffrent and all he wanted was SEX. I would NOT love his ass. I would warn my girlfriends about him. But, he in turn would go tell his buddys, Black chicks LOVE Mexicans.
The White guys are spreading their little storys like the Black guys. It will NEVER stop. but, don't be angry at the Asian women for this. Some of these women that get with these guys are new to dating, though most are not. These guys are somewhat masters at sweet talk when they want to be. That is after they realize that Disrespecting a girl will get you only SLUTS that may get you some STD.
This one White guy I knew over their scared off a good Japanese women. For one reason, she did NOT want a WHITE or Black man. He never asked. She had a huge crush on a few of the Japanese men at work. She just turned 19. She was just a KID. The White guy was bringing her CRAZY gifts. First he brought her a Rose. She was like, um, thank you. Then he brought her a neacklace, she was like getting freaked out. The DUMB ASS needed to STOP!! She never dated first of all, and second of all, they never really TALKED. She was like, scared of him, she told me later. She quit after a week later. She was a GREAT worker, I was pissed at that DUMB guy.

I've noticed civilian women who tend to hang around military bases and military men tend be social outcasts and already had existing mental problems to begin with.

[nekohead]

Presto, Most of the Local women and men NEED jobs that is ONE reason they hang around the base. They are working.
I think you are talking about the Locals dating Not hanging around? SOME of the women that date Military guys are the OUT-cast. But, NOT all.

[JadeDragon]

So Nekohead you would agree that Asian women in Asia or in your first hand experience Japanese women in Japan are NAIVE in dealing with western men.

Can we stop making stupid-ass assumptions about women in Asia?

Listen, I acknowledge that we have girls/women who are smart, dumb, naive, crazy, gold-digging, pleasant, bitchy, racist, open-minded and so on. There are MANY of us, and despite all the colonialism and general difficulties growing up in areas where socio-political notions aren't as thoroughly explored as in the West, most of us turned out just fine. Asia's a bloody big continent, after all, and us coloured folks get the privilege of being the majority populations.

Those women who had fucked-up ideas of race and race relations in the first place are more likely to fetishise the white male, due to any number of reasons. As for the naive ones, the majority learn quickly to keep away from the white Asiaphiles.

In fact, the biggest "problem" people usually have with race relations here is intra-ethnic and inter-religious marriages. Malay-Muslims marrying Hindus or Buddhists are castigated, and their marriages torn apart by the religious authorities. These people are sent to REHABILITATION CAMPS.

Maybe we're just not on your radar because we're not purely East Asian. But if you want to insult "naive" Asian women, please understand what the hell you're talking about before jumping to conclusions.

[nightshade]

Can we stop making stupid-ass assumptions about women in Asia?

*applauds*


In fact, the biggest "problem" people usually have with race relations here is intra-ethnic and inter-religious marriages. Malay-Muslims marrying Hindus or Buddhists are castigated, and their marriages torn apart by the religious authorities. These people are sent to REHABILITATION CAMPS.


Dude, I feel so sheltered. Rehabilitation camps for intra-ethnic and inter-religious marriages? Scary.

[JadeDragon]

It's actually a reality in Malaysia. It's not that widespread, of course, but the fact that there are statements such as the ones below is just plain disturbing.

http://www.suaram.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=261&Itemid=30

Use ISA on those who leave Islam, says lecturer

Thursday, 30 November 2006

KUALA LUMPUR: Suggestions on how to deal with those who leave Islam came in many forms at a convention yesterday, ranging from the Internal Security Act, lengthy counselling to even elimination.

International Islamic University law lecturer Dr Zulkifly Muda, who advocated the use of the ISA, however said this law should be refined for apostates.

"Instead of a jail sentence, they should be put in rehabilitation by the state religious department for three months. IIU lecturers may also assist in counselling."

He said the death penalty for apostasy subscribed under Islam was not suitable for the moment.

"The apostates are not the only ones to blame for leaving the religion. There are other parties who have contributed to their confusion and disillusionment.

"The apostate may be unable to appreciate Islam due to the acts of his parents, family or the authorities. Although apostasy is a serious crime in Islam, death would be an unfair penalty," added Zulkifly.

He was speaking to about 200 participants at a convention on ‘Religious Freedom and Apostasy: Towards a Practical Solution’ at IIU yesterday.

Zulkifly said the majority of apostates were non-Muslims who converted to marry Muslims, only to leave Islam upon dissolution of the marriage.

"Converts usually return to their original faiths because of loss of interest in continuing as a Muslim or lack of financial or emotional support upon divorce. This normally results in them giving up."

Later in the afternoon, former High Court judge Datuk Faiza Thamby Chik chaired a discussion on Syariah jurisdiction.

"I cannot go into detail, but Article 121 (1A) of the Federal Constitution is absolutely clear that the Syariah courts have jurisdiction in apostasy matters. What is important is that we seek a solution on how to deal with those who wish to leave Islam."

Among suggestions were that those who had applied to change their religion should receive counselling with a Muslim family for three months, after which they would be asked for their stand.

Faiza, who delivered the High Court judgment in the Lina Joy apostasy case, said recommendations would be forwarded to religious experts in due course. The Federal Court decision on the Lina Joy case is still pending.

Another speaker, Negri Sembilan Mufti Datuk Mohd Murtadza Ahmad said the concept of freedom of religion in Islam had been misinterpreted.

"The Quranic verse ‘There is no compulsion in religion’ does not mean that a Muslim can leave Islam as he wishes, it means that non-Muslims cannot be forced to enter Islam.

"This verse has been misquoted by so many. Once someone is a Muslim, he is bound by its rules, just as those professing other faiths are bound by theirs," he said.

Perak Mufti Datuk Seri Harussani Zakaria said serious action should be taken against apostates.

"The Muslim community is like a body. For example if a leg has become gangrenous, it should be cut off otherwise it would be dangerous for the rest of the body. Apostates can influence the rest of the community."

The one-day event was officiated by Syariah Judicial Department director-general Datuk Sheikh Ghazali Abdul Rahman.

(Suara Rakyat Malaysia [voice of the Malaysian people] is an NGO that works for human rights, equality and press freedom.)

A famous case where a Hindu man fought for custody of his children from his Muslim wife, whom he claimed had converted to Islam only recently, while she claimed to have been Muslim all her life.

http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/content/view/8608/2/
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/content/view/8772/2/
http://www.suaram.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=111&Itemid=30

Another famous case where a Malay woman (born a Muslim) wished to leave Islam and had changed her name to Lina Joy. This case was a landmark, because it would dictate how the Malaysian Syarish Court will treat cases of apostasy from now on. I managed to find the actual judgements, so anyone who likes deciphering legal jargon can have a go at these.

http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/content/view/1834/27/
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/content/view/9223/27/

Edited to add: Sorry for the tangent.

[kwak76]

Jadedragon,

You are correct in what you say in not making general statement. However, I think here in the west there is a perception that some westerns have on Asian women. This goes vice verser. I think I'm touching on those.

[RebelAzn]

I think it is ridicules to generalize all Asian women in Asia. My personal experience is most girls in Asia I have met are fairly conservative. I have no doubt there is a group that hangs around military bases or foreign bars, but saying all Asian women are like that is just outrageous stereotyping. Most Asian girls in Asia probably have very limited dating experience to start with and most are right they are 100% naive about white men. Most probably got their impression of Americans from Hollywood movies. I am sure it is flattering for some to see these foreign men hitting on them but smart ones will eventually see these guys for what they are. I suspect the ones that hang out military bases are usually from very poor families that just want a quick ticket to America or one of those marry to get rich gold diggers. Of course, most Americans' exposure are these type of women so they stereotype other conservative Asian women the same way.

At end of the day, people just need to educate themselves about different people vs. constantly stereotyping people as this or that.

[Candide]

Naive eh? There was a big divorce case in Vietnam a few years ago in which this Viet woman (who was a bar girl before she got married, IIRC) took her naive British hubby to the cleaners and left him with literally just a suitcase. She managed to persuade him to put his house and a whole lot of other assets under her name as taxes for non-citizens there are very high. Half of the country felt sorry for the poor chap and the other half laughed at him for marrying a bar girl and expecting better. Friends overthere told me that it's not a unique case, but just bigger than others in scale.

[elliott20]

For the most part, I think a lot of asian societies still frown upon a girl who freely goes out and dates around. Combine this with the fact that a lot of Asian societies are pretty homogeneous, a foreigner is going to stand out.

[KevMinh]

It's actually a reality in Malaysia. It's not that widespread, of course, but the fact that there are statements such as the ones below is just plain disturbing.

Edited to add: Sorry for the tangent.


Who cares about so-called naive Asian women?! We should be worrying about (and dealing with) these religious maniacs.

[minbo]

American media is the only window into the outside world for many Americans, too.

I remember in the ancient history of the late 80's, my brother worked in Italy for a few years. When he told them that he was from NYC, he had to convince his friends that NYC was nothing like the Warriors. That there was no gang of clowns on roller skates hanging out in the trains, nor mimes in baseball outfits and bats running around Central Park.

[Scowl]

I remember in the ancient history of the late 80's, my brother worked in Italy for a few years. When he told them that he was from NYC, he had to convince his friends that NYC was nothing like the Warriors. That there was no gang of clowns on roller skates hanging out in the trains, nor mimes in baseball outfits and bats running around Central Park.

I dunno, man, I was in Coney Island with my white friends and the place looked just the way it was in the movie. I didn't see any Baseball Furies but I did see a few dudes with basketball jerseys, and you could just tell that they were looking to fuck someone up. I never wanted to believe the movies and TV shows but NYC is just totally infested with gangs.

[atlasien]

When I was about 11 some Japanese girls in Japan asked me if they really landed airplanes on highways in the US. I still don't understand where they got that idea from.

In Mexico a 6-year-old girl asked me where I was from, and when I told her the United States, she asked me if I knew her cousin Jose, because he lived there too.

But overall I think Americans are more naive about the rest of the world than vice versa.

[elliott20]

I dunno, man, I was in Coney Island with my white friends and the place looked just the way it was in the movie. I didn't see any Baseball Furies but I did see a few dudes with basketball jerseys, and you could just tell that they were looking to fuck someone up. I never wanted to believe the movies and TV shows but NYC is just totally infested with gangs.

I feel jipped then. I lived in NYC for 5 years and I never saw any union square Lizzies.

[awong]

I remember in the ancient history of the late 80's, my brother worked in Italy for a few years. When he told them that he was from NYC, he had to convince his friends that NYC was nothing like the Warriors. That there was no gang of clowns on roller skates hanging out in the trains, nor mimes in baseball outfits and bats running around Central Park.

the italians didnt know about their greasy italian american counter parts from the stereotypes from nyc :D

[minbo]

Sometimes I wonder who's view of reality is more fucked up. The American tourists who never leave the US and who's view "genuine" of foreign culture is from Disney Epcott center, or the impression of America/American culture of the foreigners who work at Epcott center and live in a Disney supplied worker dorm.

[CJF]

My cambodian friend is in the Army in Korea, and he says that they are the same as girls here except that most are hotter since there aren't too many fat girls. Remember, when you are in Asia, you as an "american" are an exotic foreigner to them so that may be a reason why they are more interested.

[Ike]

Colonialism and white worshipping make white men attractive in Asia. CJF, you should go - I hear they love hapas there.

[CJF]

Colonialism and white worshipping make white men attractive in Asia. CJF, you should go - I hear they love hapas there.

That's part of it. But according to my Khmer friend who is really asian, 5'4, he's saying it's more because he's American, and that they associate America with wealth and prosperity. But I guess you are right.

Some girls have a fetish of being dominated. Maybe on the scope of things, this Asian worshipping white, is a macroscopic kinky game where the woman plays a submissive whore, and the white man plays the colonial red coat soldier. God I'm going to get people mad by that one. Sorry.

Anyways, it is tempting to go, but does it really help the cause? And besides, I look more Filipino than hapa. The only white traits I got are probably my ability to pack on weight...

[RebelAzn]

I can't believe this thread is back again. Seriously, some of you guys should really travel sometimes to see rest of the world and experience it for yourself vs. "I heard from so and so etc. etc.".

I been to most countries in Asia other than Korea. I think there is this association with being American to being rich or something. Some people in Asia think getting to America is their ticket to a better life. This is also probably the same type of mentality in many countries, not just Asia.

It is not difficult to get girls if you are an American born Asian. While I was in Japan, pretty much every girl there I asked for phone #s gave it to me. Later I found out it is not a big deal for girls to give out numbers. They think it is just being friendly and they are not used to being "hit on". Actually, I don't think most Asian girls know what it means to be "hit on" since dating procedures in Asia are very proper and not this aggressive "hitting on women" style we see in the USA. So, most women don't even know they are being "played" or being "hit" on because it is not a normal man behavior there.

Many girls in Asia will want to get with you if they know you are from America. My not so great Mandarin and the fact I am physically bigger than normal made me stood out. It was really not hard talking to females in many Asian countries. I experienced the same in South America too. Of course, back of my mind I am almost wondering what is the real agenda girls are interested.

I think judging girls in other countries by American standards is not realistic. Culturally they are very different so of course they will be different. Gold diggers are everywhere. If a hot girl ignores you in America and all suddenly some hot girl is all over you in Asia, you got to wonder what is the real reason. If not, then you are the one who is clueless.

Bottom line is people should try to hook up with opposite sex who are similarly in attractiveness as they are. If you want girls/guys way out of your league, then you better have something way better to offer. If you are one butt ugly guy who hooked up with a hot girl from Asia and brought her over to the USA, don't be too surprised when she ran off with some hot guy as soon as she get her American citizenship.

[CJF]

^You sold yourself short damnit. They loved your game, hahaha.

Anyways, Asia is always a place I'm going to consider to go. Where I live in America SUCKS! And where I want to go is tooooo expensive.

[Ike]

It's probably not as easy for American girls to get guys in Asia... cuz we're fat. (Cue crossover to Asian Fatness thread).

[nekohead]

That's part of it. But according to my Khmer friend who is really asian, 5'4, he's saying it's more because he's American, and that they associate America with wealth and prosperity. But I guess you are right.

Some girls have a fetish of being dominated. Maybe on the scope of things, this Asian worshipping white, is a macroscopic kinky game where the woman plays a submissive whore, and the white man plays the colonial red coat soldier. God I'm going to get people mad by that one. Sorry.

Anyways, it is tempting to go, but does it really help the cause? And besides, I look more Filipino than hapa. The only white traits I got are probably my ability to pack on weight...


Ha HA!

My hubby has the SAME White Trait!
He went from a nice sized waist to the American SIZED waist.
But, the rest of him is ASIAN.
:o

[RebelAzn]

Ha HA!

My hubby has the SAME White Trait!
He went from a nice sized waist to the American SIZED waist.
But, the rest of him is ASIAN.
:o


Neko - It is an American diet thing. Many Asian Americans who grew up here that don't do exercise like most Americans end up being fat. It is very simple. Man I used to so skinny but I would love it if I can drop a few pounds. I used to wish I was bigger when I was 16 but now I can't lose any weight. Most Asian kids who grew up here are much taller and bigger than their parents. It has a lot to do with those steroid infested beef we eat and milk we drink.

I just heard McD (one of the biggest cause of fat) is trying to open 15,000 stores in China and they only got like 1,000 right now. Man I am scared to see what that will do to those Chinese kids. They are already getting fatter and fatter due to new Kentucky Fried Chicken stores and McDs. It would really be sad if everyone there end up fat.

BTW, average American weight and size is the following:

Men - 5'9.25" and 190 lbs
Women - 5'4" and 165 lbs

[AZN MAN]

Neko - It is an American diet thing. Many Asian Americans who grew up here that don't do exercise like most Americans end up being fat. It is very simple. Man I used to so skinny but I would love it if I can drop a few pounds. I used to wish I was bigger when I was 16 but now I can't lose any weight. Most Asian kids who grew up here are much taller and bigger than their parents. It has a lot to do with those steroid infested beef we eat and milk we drink.

I just heard McD (one of the biggest cause of fat) is trying to open 15,000 stores in China and they only got like 1,000 right now. Man I am scared to see what that will do to those Chinese kids. They are already getting fatter and fatter due to new Kentucky Fried Chicken stores and McDs. It would really be sad if everyone there end up fat.

BTW, average American weight and size is the following:

Men - 5'9.25" and 190 lbs
Women - 5'4" and 165 lbs

Some Japanese kids are getting fatter as well.

I find it interesting in that I didn't eat much beef nor drink much milk as a kid (Jap diet); now that I'm an adult I still don't have any problems with weight and my metabolism is still high. Think there's a correlation?

As for the avg stats above - No wonder I have such a hard time finding my pants size; I have to go to Little Tokyo, Chinatown, or the other side of the Pacific.

[Makulita]

>_> I like how you threw around jap like that like it ain't no thang, but wtfever yo.

And if that's the average height'n size for American chicks, I need to hide that shit from my sister or she's gonna throw a bitchfit and commit suicide. Also, I wouldn't mind the fattening up of Asia as a whole, it'd make fitting the import pants from the small clothing areas in mini-markets like Zion and Mitsuwa a hell of alot easier.

FYI, Ike, we're not fat bitches. We're just full of shape is all. A little suman squishiness or puto plumposity if you will. And if nothing else, be assured in the fact we look obviously female (and hotter) in bikinis in shit -- but that's for the shameless girls.

[Ike]

FYI, Ike, we're not fat bitches. We're just full of shape is all. A little suman squishiness or puto plumposity if you will. And if nothing else, be assured in the fact we look obviously female (and hotter) in bikinis in shit -- but that's for the shameless girls.

Haha, try telling that to men in Asia... or Asian-American men in the US. And I'll be wearing as much I can, thank you very much, so other people won't have to look at me. =)

Me: *wears a semi-tight tank top*
Mom: *plays with my stomach flab*
...Yeah. That was the end of shamelessness right there.

[Makulita]

No wait, I got it. The really vocal ones about it who are all "Ewwwww, she's so fat wah wah wah!"

They're just mad they don't got the driver skills to maneuver all them curves is all. They just want a quick drive to the grocery store instead of taking in some countryside sightseeing.

*/awkward yet self-righteous auto analogy*

[nightshade]

As for the avg stats above - No wonder I have such a hard time finding my pants size; I have to go to Little Tokyo, Chinatown, or the other side of the Pacific.

I had to wear kids' pants up until last year...and I only started wearing pants made for adult people because a Uniqlo opened up in New York. Otherwise, I'd still be forced to rock kids' pants.



FYI, Ike, we're not fat bitches. We're just full of shape is all. A little suman squishiness or puto plumposity if you will. And if nothing else, be assured in the fact we look obviously female (and hotter) in bikinis in shit -- but that's for the shameless girls.

Exactly. I'm not fat. There's just more of me to love.

[CJF]

Haha, try telling that to men in Asia... or Asian-American men in the US. And I'll be wearing as much I can, thank you very much, so other people won't have to look at me. =)

Me: *wears a semi-tight tank top*
Mom: *plays with my stomach flab*
...Yeah. That was the end of shamelessness right there.
Don't know what you two are talking about but I like meat on my bones. Maybe because I'm not full Asian.

I know my Khmer friends and Pinoy friends like their girls thicker. Seems like East Asian dudes tend to go for the annorexic types which are still cute...but I like meat. muahaha

[CJF]

No wait, I got it. The really vocal ones about it who are all "Ewwwww, she's so fat wah wah wah!"

They're just mad they don't got the driver skills to maneuver all them curves is all. They just want a quick drive to the grocery store instead of taking in some countryside sightseeing.

*/awkward yet self-righteous auto analogy*

HAHAHA

I was called Fay Gei everytime I went to Chinatown in oakland that it became my new name.

Now I run 2.5 miles 5x's a week because of that. But I'm still big.

[awong]

As for the avg stats above - No wonder I have such a hard time finding my pants size; I have to go to Little Tokyo, Chinatown, or the other side of the Pacific.
its either too short for my legs or too wide for me. I havent though about buying clothes from any asian places since there are none nearby ugh and internet shopping for clothes is out of the question b/c I like to try stuff on

[xian]

I tend to only buy clothes in Japan. Since I haven't been there in a while, my wardrobe is like 3-5 years old. I guess it's good I can still fit most of it...

[Ike]

Since this has sort of turned into the "complain about clothes shopping" thread... Let it be known that I hate bra shopping. Forget about finding different styles and colors - I found exactly 5 bras that were my size. And one of them was this wacky thing where the straps wouldn't adjust. Oh well, at least I still was able to get in on the "buy 2 get 2 free" deal! =)

[VeryAngry]

Some Japanese kids are getting fatter as well.

I find it interesting in that I didn't eat much beef nor drink much milk as a kid (Jap diet); now that I'm an adult I still don't have any problems with weight and my metabolism is still high. Think there's a correlation?

As for the avg stats above - No wonder I have such a hard time finding my pants size; I have to go to Little Tokyo, Chinatown, or the other side of the Pacific.

Are these kids eating their veggies? I suspect that not getting enough micro nutrients wreaks havoc with people's health.

Think about it... average heights and builds increase in countries that go through sustained economic growth, but later, instead of becoming taller, faster, smarter or stronger, people just get fatter and get coronary heart disease and diabetes earlier. I suspect that it's because people switch to fast food or macronutrient rich foods that are practically devoid of any vitamins and minerals whatsoever.

I think that you'd practically have to eat veggies like a cow nowadays, if you want to get all your minerals. O_o