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Scowl

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:44 AM

Why do you bastards always have to put up youtube vids? I need to be up early in the morning, but now I can't sleep because I'm watching these Wong Fu vids on youtube and I'm probably going to watch some David Hasselhoff music videos afterwards.

Part 3 is up....

How are you gonna go and say that without giving us some linkage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5lJL2peXik)?

That was really weird, everyone on the screen was an AA. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before.

Ike

Jun 14th, 2007, 02:01 AM

Part 3 is up....

Man... they aint got girls like that where I live... fuckin midwest! =-(

The REAL question is, where can I go to find GUYS who look like that? XD

maogirl

Jun 14th, 2007, 09:31 AM

naw, the real question is where are the nice guys?

most so-called nice guys are really assholes who are too pussy to assert themselves and pull all this passive aggressive shit on you.

but then, i'm just bitter 'cause i'm surrounded by crazy weirdo freaks...very beautiful ones, but crazy weirdo freaks nonetheless.

silkie

Jun 14th, 2007, 09:53 AM

most so-called nice guys are really assholes who are too pussy to assert themselves and pull all this passive aggressive shit on you.

Haha! The worst are the ones that poses as the "big brother" type but really only out to get pussy. My sister came across those before. Worst is this dude that crashed at my sister's apt for the weekend. He was trying to act all "friendly-affectionate" by laying next to her in bed, and when he reached over to press against her, she realized he has an erection! Then, when he was about to leave, she tried to pretend she was asleep so she doesn't have to say goodbye to him, and then he sat next to her and gave her this "speech" about how much he cares about her. Next thing she knows, he fucking lends over and tried to smooch her! What the fuck is this? Pedro Almodovar's "Habla con Ella"?

Vahz

Jun 14th, 2007, 10:03 AM

Why do you bastards always have to put up youtube vids? I need to be up early in the morning, but now I can't sleep because I'm watching these Wong Fu vids on youtube.

hahahha. I was thinking the exact same thing when I was viewing this at midnight.

"Shit, each part is at least 10 minutes."

Mao/Ike: This reminds me of the comment I made when I said me and all the other Asian guys I know want a committed relationship, marriage, settle down, and start a family and a girl two posts down kept stating that her and her friends are angry because they can't find nice guys to settle down with.

Vahz

Jun 14th, 2007, 10:06 AM

Haha! The worst are the ones that poses as the "big brother" type but really only out to get pussy. My sister came across those before. Worst is this dude that crashed at my sister's apt for the weekend. He was trying to act all "friendly-affectionate" by laying next to her in bed, and when he reached over to press against her, she realized he has an erection! Then, when he was about to leave, she tried to pretend she was asleep so she doesn't have to say goodbye to him, and then he sat next to her and gave her this "speech" about how much he cares about her. Next thing she knows, he fucking lends over and tried to smooch her! What the fuck is this? Pedro Almodovar's "Habla con Ella"?

Which begs the question, would women rather be aware of a man's intentions or try to approach from the "friend angle and see if you'll end up romantically involved." The latter is extremely dangerous as it could land you into the "nice guy/friend" catagory.

I've landed in this department too many times.

jaehwan

Jun 14th, 2007, 11:32 AM

Haha! The worst are the ones that poses as the "big brother" type but really only out to get pussy. My sister came across those before. Worst is this dude that crashed at my sister's apt for the weekend. He was trying to act all "friendly-affectionate" by laying next to her in bed, and when he reached over to press against her, she realized he has an erection! Then, when he was about to leave, she tried to pretend she was asleep so she doesn't have to say goodbye to him, and then he sat next to her and gave her this "speech" about how much he cares about her. Next thing she knows, he fucking lends over and tried to smooch her! What the fuck is this? Pedro Almodovar's "Habla con Ella"?

My sister had one of those too. This dude was an elder (I think that's what they're called) at her church, and he somehow went from "God loves you" to "you and I are good friends" to "I want to get in your pants but I'm too much of a pussy to say so." He gave her the same "I really care about you speech" and made it seem like his emotions just magically appeared from God one day. It's crazy because I saw this dude coming a mile away.

Those are by far the worst type.

silkie

Jun 14th, 2007, 11:38 AM

Which begs the question, would women rather be aware of a man's intentions or try to approach from the "friend angle and see if you'll end up romantically involved." The latter is extremely dangerous as it could land you into the "nice guy/friend" catagory.

I've landed in this department too many times.

well, this is my take on it.
Sure, I have heard of many cases where a romantic relationship starts out as a genuine friendship, but what I am addressing are the guys who pretends to be friends just so they can get closer to the girl.

Aside from being disingenous, I think it is pretty ineffective and I don't know of a case where it succeeds, even if the girl decides to give it a go, it doesn't last for long. Of course, there are exceptions.

I think it speaks of confidence if a guy expresses their intention from the first go. It doesn't have to be a proclaimation, but a gesture here or there is enough for starters. There are ways to do this without "destroying the mystery." From my experience, I would say generally women likes the feeling of being romanced, of being made to feel special and wanted (of course, this requires that the woman actually have some interest in her suitor. Without this important detail, persistance can easily turn into an annoyance and intrusion). Why deny them of the experience?

atlasien

Jun 14th, 2007, 11:45 AM

Which begs the question, would women rather be aware of a man's intentions or try to approach from the "friend angle and see if you'll end up romantically involved." The latter is extremely dangerous as it could land you into the "nice guy/friend" catagory.

I've landed in this department too many times.

Why don't you just settle for being a friend then? What's wrong with being a friend? Also, being friends with women means that they introduce you to other women, who may want to sleep with you.

If a woman knows a guy is pretending to be a friend, but really wants either sex or nothing, she pegs him as a liar and a sleeze.

On the other hand, let's say a guy is actually sincere and has the attitude "I like this woman, let's see if she finds me physically attractive, if she doesn't, that's cool, I still enjoy spending time with her". Great! It's a win-win situation.

If a guy doesn't want to be friends and is interested in sex or nothing, they shouldn't explicitly say that, but they shouldn't pretend to be a friend either. They should just make it plain they want to sleep with her, and do it soon after meeting, but in a low-pressure kind of way. Even something really basic like "I'm really attracted to you", just to get the point across. Trying emotional blackmail - "if you don't sleep with me I won't want to be your friend" - is gross.

ETA: looks like silkie already made a similar point while I was typing this up.

silkie

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:01 PM

ETA: looks like silkie already made a similar point while I was typing this up.

You actually clarified the point much better than I did.

You also brought up another good point, and others might want to add to this. There is this on going debate of whether guys can be friends with girls without being attracted to her. Over the year, I can say that yes, a guy and girl can be just friends. Likewise, I think a man and woman can remain friends even if there is an attraction.

Which leads to one very important lesson I've learned: a lot of people makes much better friends than lovers.

Ike

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:03 PM

I'd rather be aware of the guy's intentions up front. And besides, I'm good friends with most of my exes.

Vahz

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:05 PM

ATLAsian, don't get me wrong.

I have no problems being friends with women but I'm thinking that my approach is wrong which is *causing* me to be pegged into this catagory from the start.

For example, I've seen many women struggling with a certain topic and I took it upon myself to help them. It's a very real desire to help them and used it as a conversational piece to see if there is any romantic possibility.

However, this usually lumps me into the nice guy that just helps them out with things as opposed to "I want to have a romantic relationship with this guy."

atlasien

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:20 PM

Don't admit the existence of the category then. Don't take it as an article of faith that women have this strict separation between friends vs. romantic interests. And this doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, man or woman... friendships often turn into romances and vice versa.

You just have to figure out a way to communicate "hey, if you're down for it so am I". And then she says yes or no. That's it. Trying to figure out friend categories is pointless, distracting over-psychologizing. I'm saying this in a helpful spirit... I think you're wasting your time worrying about them, when you could be concentrating on other areas.

Ike

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:23 PM

ATLAsian, don't get me wrong.

What's with the weird capitalization of her name?

atlasien

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:28 PM

It's easy to spell my handle wrong, it doesn't have any sentimental value for me so I don't bother with corrections.

Vahz

Jun 14th, 2007, 12:47 PM

Oh, I thought ATLAsian meant ATL + Asian, as in the shorter version of Atlanta. Every time someone said ATL, they've always capitalized it.

silkie

Jun 14th, 2007, 01:11 PM

For example, I've seen many women struggling with a certain topic and I took it upon myself to help them. It's a very real desire to help them and used it as a conversational piece to see if there is any romantic possibility.

Isn't second sentence contrdictory?

maogirl

Jun 14th, 2007, 01:31 PM

Over the year, I can say that yes, a guy and girl can be just friends.

hell yeah, look at me and silkie, we're both heartbreakers but our mutual hotness cancels each other out.

although chicks dig me more than they dig him, but eh.

Mao/Ike: This reminds me of the comment I made when I said me and all the other Asian guys I know want a committed relationship, marriage, settle down, and start a family and a girl two posts down kept stating that her and her friends are angry because they can't find nice guys to settle down with.

you're not a nice guy, and i bet your friends aren't either.

My sister had one of those too. This dude was an elder (I think that's what they're called) at her church, and he somehow went from "God loves you" to "you and I are good friends" to "I want to get in your pants but I'm too much of a pussy to say so." He gave her the same "I really care about you speech" and made it seem like his emotions just magically appeared from God one day. It's crazy because I saw this dude coming a mile away.

Those are by far the worst type.

damn, that shit never happens to me. it would be cool if it did 'cause i'd have a lot of fun fucking with that guy mentally.

but alas, with me, it's usually "i like you, you're cute" then "i REALLY like you, you're cool" then it's "i'm stalking you, i know what you ate for breakfast and the colour of your poo this morning"

i always thought, though, that nice chicks get it worse than nice guys. obviously, i'm not speaking from experience, but from observing my friends.

nskripchun

Jun 14th, 2007, 01:55 PM

but alas, with me, it's usually "i like you, you're cute" then "i REALLY like you, you're cool" then it's "i'm stalking you, i know what you ate for breakfast and the colour of your poo this morning"

i always thought, though, that nice chicks get it worse than nice guys. obviously, i'm not speaking from experience, but from observing my friends.

"Nice people" in general get walked on / screwed all the time in this world. They're too trusting, I think.

About the video... I finally saw Part 3 and was a bit disappointed that it wrapped things up a bit too nicely. I guess I was hoping for some Wong Kar-Wai style tragic romance ending, but I give credit to these guys for making an effort to produce something like this. Yeah, the acting and writing is a little rough, but they're in college... maybe in 5-10 years, one of them will become the one who produces the first decent Asian American television sitcom / drama etc.

silkie

Jun 14th, 2007, 02:05 PM

hell yeah, look at me and silkie, we're both heartbreakers but our mutual hotness cancels each other out.

although chicks dig me more than they dig him, but eh.

:D Haha! And I can say the opposite about dudes liking me.

If only we can switch bodies, we will be really happy.

But then again, if we did, I will have to get rid of those leopard-print minis...

maogirl

Jun 14th, 2007, 02:30 PM

"Nice people" in general get walked on / screwed all the time in this world. They're too trusting, I think.

i don't think it's because they're trusting, but their expectations are too high in the sense that they think just because they're nice, then they deserve whatever.

but really, i do think nice girls get the shitty end of the stick. if a nice guy gets fucked over by a bad chick, he can still walk away with some kind of "i tangled with a bitch but i survived" and can even turn that around to play on female sympathy.

but a nice chick who gets fucked over by a bad dude carries a lot of stigma.

again, i'm not speaking from experience, but based on observation.

:D Haha! And I can say the opposite about dudes liking me.

If only we can switch bodies, we will be really happy.

But then again, if we did, I will have to get rid of those leopard-print minis...

go ahead and throw out the minis...the secret is in the hair, anyway. :P

silkie

Jun 14th, 2007, 03:10 PM

Vahz

Jun 14th, 2007, 04:28 PM

you're not a nice guy, and i bet your friends aren't either.

Thanks, I think...

Why aren't we "nice" guys? Or were you just be facetious? heh.

minbo

Jun 14th, 2007, 05:22 PM

Because you are not nice. You are just pretending to be nice to get some play. Doesn't mean you are an asshole either, but you just are not nice in any exceptional way.

As for "nice" guys being walked all over. It's not because they are being nice, but because they are being doormats. You can be nice and assertive or nice and still protect yourself. Just as you can be a looser asshole and a doormat.

It is a myth that the "nice guy finishes last". It really should be "guys with no balls who are doormats finish last". Those ball-less wonders may be nice, they may be assholes. Usually they are just normal guys, not especially nice, not especially assholes.

The people who complain the most that "nice guys finish last" are usually looser assholes who are doormats. They are just pretending to be nice. If they had any balls they'd be asshole rapists, but they would still claim to be nice guys.

JadeDragon

Jun 14th, 2007, 05:50 PM

Totally agree with MG and Minbo. Vahz, it's very apparent from your posts that you're just here to look for validation and to try pick up chicks with your sob stories and "look how desirable I am" insinuations. I don't think any girl here cares whether you have a great car and an expensive wardrobe because they can't compensate for a lack of personality and a bad attitude. And I still can't forget that lovely post you made on Version 2.0 about the Asian-American community not deserving someone like you to help them out. I wonder if you say something like that to the girls you date?

jaehwan

Jun 14th, 2007, 06:12 PM

My sister had one of those too. This dude was an elder (I think that's what they're called) at her church, and he somehow went from "God loves you" to "you and I are good friends" to "I want to get in your pants but I'm too much of a pussy to say so."
damn, that shit never happens to me. it would be cool if it did 'cause i'd have a lot of fun fucking with that guy mentally.

Maogirl,

That's because you don't go to church. If you went to an Asian American church, you'd have tons of these ABC guys banging at your door, offering to "save" you through God, and then trying to learn about the color of your poo in the morning. And if you went to a church in Hong Kong, you'd have tons of neo-colonialist white guys banging at your door, offering to "save" you through God and America, and then trying to learn about the color of your poo in the morning.

Not to stereotype, but I knew of a few of these church-guys in school; it's pretty comical how a lot of them beat around the bush before revealing their true colors. Not all of them are like this; some of them are cool like nskripchun, but I've found that churches of all colors tend to harbor a large number of these assholes who try to front like they're nice guys. If anyone disagrees, let me know.

And yes, nice chicks do get it worse than nice guys.

maogirl

Jun 14th, 2007, 06:34 PM

I agree that if, say, a girl gets knocked up by an asshole, then they do carry a stigma that some other guys might count against her. Those guys who cares about that are usually jerks themselves.

I did come across some women who did use sympathy to lure guys, and they usually target men with "nice guy" syndrome. Though I don't think of myself as a "nice guy" (don't wear citrousy cologne, and don't offer to help move) I have personally experienced this deception myself.

sigh, i can't go back to sleep, my stomach hurts. anyway, those chicks who use sympathy to lure guys aren't usually nice chicks, they're just users.

i guess what i meant was partly your example above (the pregnancy) and also partly how some guys lead on a nice girl until it's "too late" for her in the sense that she's become too old or missed out on some other chance. i mean, it's partly her fault for hoping but at least a guy can pick himself up at any age and move on...something like that...

btw, LOL at the cologne, why DO nice guys like to wear that shit?

Ok, deals on! Have fun finishing that house (did I mention the contractor is pretty well off?)

*record stops*

what! you never mentioned that!

Thanks, I think...

Why aren't we "nice" guys? Or were you just be facetious? heh.

you're not nice, you're just...mediocre.

Not to stereotype, but I knew of a few of these church-guys in school; it's pretty comical how a lot of them beat around the bush before revealing their true colors.

true, i am one of the unsaved heathens, but i did go to a convent school across the street from an all-boys jesuit school so i do know the type you're talking about, but those boys never did like me either.

i think boys like that tend to go for a certain chick...like the one in the video, someone cute and sweet who they would normally think they didn't have a chance of getting unless they did some underhanded bullshit.

howstrange

Jun 15th, 2007, 01:13 AM

hey I finally got to watch these. Pretty nice and sweet. I think they more than made up for that piece of crap Yellow Fever short.

silkie

Jun 15th, 2007, 01:12 PM

btw, LOL at the cologne, why DO nice guys like to wear that shit?

because citrousy cologne is sweet and inoffensive, like the giant huggable teddy bear that they are.

*record stops*

what! you never mentioned that!

yep, I actually spoke to him about that. He is currently single, because he is too wrapped up with his work. (Perfect for you).

Ike

Jun 15th, 2007, 09:44 PM

hey I finally got to watch these. Pretty nice and sweet. I think they more than made up for that piece of crap Yellow Fever short.

What did you dislike so much about Yellow Fever?

Heyyu

Jun 16th, 2007, 01:49 AM

You also brought up another good point, and others might want to add to this. There is this on going debate of whether guys can be friends with girls without being attracted to her. Over the year, I can say that yes, a guy and girl can be just friends. Likewise, I think a man and woman can remain friends even if there is an attraction.

Actually, I think it's EASIER to be friends with a girl if there's no physical attraction. To be quite honest, the best friendships I've had with women have been to the ones that I haven't been attracted to physically and they're not attracted to me either. Although there was one female friend that was kind of into me and it created some sheer awkwardness for a while.

Which brings me to my second point: If there is some physical attraction, it can be downright awkward and can mess with the friendship. Especially if it leads to dating and a nasty break-up or one person loves another but the other person doesn't feel the same way.

howstrange

Jun 16th, 2007, 01:56 AM

What did you dislike so much about Yellow Fever?
I disagreed with the premise and conclusion.. if I remember correctly. Also, AFs were portrayed as stupid and mindless... again if remember correctly. I don't feel like watching it again, so I can't really extrapolate much more than I have.

nskripchun

Jun 16th, 2007, 04:12 AM

Not to stereotype, but I knew of a few of these church-guys in school; it's pretty comical how a lot of them beat around the bush before revealing their true colors. Not all of them are like this; some of them are cool like nskripchun, but I've found that churches of all colors tend to harbor a large number of these assholes who try to front like they're nice guys. If anyone disagrees, let me know.

Awww, thanks jaehwan... I think you're cool too. Haha.

But yeah, sorry to say it... I know what you're talking about in terms of guys who hang around churches trying to pick up girls through the whole "I'm a Christian, you're a Christian... let's make out" act. The worst is the Asiaphile white guys who hang around Asian American churches for only that reason... >_<

On the topic of places where asshole guys congregate and pick up on girls... at my university, it was definitely the Asian American interest frats, along with the Chinese / Korean / Taiwanese / Japanese student associations / groups. I used to joke that the only "community service" those folks were interested in was spending money at bars/clubs, and banging the first girl they could find...

awong

Jun 16th, 2007, 04:39 AM

On the topic of places where asshole guys congregate and pick up on girls... at my university, it was definitely the Asian American interest frats, along with the Chinese / Korean / Taiwanese / Japanese student associations / groups. I used to joke that the only "community service" those folks were interested in was spending money at bars/clubs, and banging the first girl they could find...

i hate them so much, they are like the weirdest people of all people. I can get along anyone, but these people are just really odd that they just dont seem normal at all. Fortunately a lot of the girls are taken or show no interest other than pretending to be nice,

jaehwan

Jun 16th, 2007, 09:27 PM

i think boys like that tend to go for a certain chick...like the one in the video, someone cute and sweet who they would normally think they didn't have a chance of getting unless they did some underhanded bullshit.

Boys like that tend to go for the cute and sweet ones because cute and sweet girls won't tell them off and humiliate them. This way they can be sneaky and underhanded, and those girls won't call them out.

By the way, I once knew a sleazy so-called nice guy who got his ego broken by a girl who he thought was cute and sweet. Unfortunately she just looked cute and sweet, and she really had it in for sleazy guys. Bad judgment call on his part.

But yeah, sorry to say it... I know what you're talking about in terms of guys who hang around churches trying to pick up girls through the whole "I'm a Christian, you're a Christian... let's make out" act. The worst is the Asiaphile white guys who hang around Asian American churches for only that reason... >_<

I feel bad for some of them. Some of them really think that they're nice guys, but they don't even know that they're being sneaky.

Those rice-chasers are the worst. By far. Especially when they pretend to be interested in the religion or culture just to get play. I used to see them in college. I wanted to give them an English lesson: 'Chinese Bible Study' implies a place where Chinese people study the Bible, not a place where 'philes study Chinese women.

How do you guys deal with these 'philes? If I were a Christian, I'd try to kick them out. I don't think there is a commandment that says "thou shalt tolerate white rice-chasers," but I'd kick them out anyway. 'Philia in a church context seems to me to be unethical or at least disgusting.

DONKEY

Jun 16th, 2007, 10:10 PM

haha but becoming a christian is the first step
OK this is coming from a person who has spent about zero time in protestant churches so maybe im totally wrong about this but i think that Asian Americans who become christians are the first to be inviting towards white asiaphiles. jesus christ is most commonly portrayed as a white man because christianity was european-ized before it spread to Asia. in the bible he is called a jew. they are worshipping a white man on a stick.

maogirl

Jun 17th, 2007, 07:11 AM

I feel bad for some of them. Some of them really think that they're nice guys, but they don't even know that they're being sneaky.

i find that there are a lot of people who think they're nice when they're actauly not very good people. it's not just the sneakiness but just because they're never actually actively hurt someone or do drugs or some foolishness, they think they're "nice" when they just probably never had the opportunity or something to be mean.

i mean, i'll admit, i used to think i was a good person, too, and i would blame other people for things, but eventually, you gotta take responsibility for your actions, ya know? so now i try to warn people that i'm really an asshole and caveat emptor and all that.

deja vu...did i type this before?

Ike

Jun 17th, 2007, 11:30 AM

deja vu...did i type this before?

Yeah, repeatedly, in your blog. =)

jaehwan

Jun 17th, 2007, 06:29 PM

Donkey,

I think the thing about Christians is that they're supposed to be nice. They're supposed to be good, and so they try really hard. Some people are bound to fail since not everyone is meant to be sitting in heaven and playing a harp. So they're forced to pretend to be something that they're not. They wind up never finding out who they really are. So they never speak up against what they know is wrong.

(And I KNOW that they hate rice-chasers just as much as the rest of us...)

i find that there are a lot of people who think they're nice when they're actauly not very good people. it's not just the sneakiness but just because they're never actually actively hurt someone or do drugs or some foolishness, they think they're "nice" when they just probably never had the opportunity or something to be mean.

i mean, i'll admit, i used to think i was a good person, too, and i would blame other people for things, but eventually, you gotta take responsibility for your actions, ya know? so now i try to warn people that i'm really an asshole and caveat emptor and all that.

deja vu...did i type this before?

I agree. A lot of them just never think about what they do or take responsibility for their actions. And the sneaky, quiet ones who don't say much are the worst since they have no reputation to defend, protect, or promote.

This is somewhat off-topic (since he was less "nice" than others), but I once knew this Asian Bible-thumper in college who slept around with the Asian female parishioners. He was one of the high elders of the church, a smooth ladies man, and he would just fuck, repent, fuck, repent, etc. People thought he was a scumbag--he'd publicly repent so loud that tears would come out, and people cringed at the hypocrisy. But the funny thing was that people actually respected him more than the "nice guys" who just sat on the sidelines trying to trick women into dating them. Bible-Cassanova was definitely dishonest, but his reputation almost served as a warning sign, and so it was almost as if his reputation made him somewhat honest. And when he publicly repented (I never actually heard it myself since I too am a heathen), I heard that his audience actually did hear his pain.

So I'd agree with you--it's great to come clean. I think Bible-Cassanova could've earned my total respect if he just said, "You know, f this. I want to sleep around, and I'm going to. F repenting because I have nothing to repent for." It would've been a lot easier on everyone. And people wouldn't have to watch a grown man cry while he repented.

ZhuBaJie

Jun 18th, 2007, 05:01 PM

Maogirl,

That's because you don't go to church. If you went to an Asian American church, you'd have tons of these ABC guys banging at your door, offering to "save" you through God, and then trying to learn about the color of your poo in the morning. And if you went to a church in Hong Kong, you'd have tons of neo-colonialist white guys banging at your door, offering to "save" you through God and America, and then trying to learn about the color of your poo in the morning.

religious expats in HK usually go to the expat churches. i've heard about them but have never seen one. most churches in HK just cater to the locals. and HK church guys are usually your quiet and timid type, from what i can see. maybe i've just never came across any womanising church guys.

i hear that Korean American churches are great places to pick up chicks though, chicks that party all night and then pray all day afterwards. :D

ZhuBaJie

Jun 18th, 2007, 05:03 PM

because citrousy cologne is sweet and inoffensive, like the giant huggable teddy bear that they are.

i thought only gay guys wear fruity cologne? nice guys do, too?

ZhuBaJie

Jun 18th, 2007, 05:14 PM

ok, people have mostly been talking about guys who are only pretending to be "nice guys" to get laid. so how about the guys that really are nice guys? i'm not talking about the doormat-like image of what people think of the label of "nice guys". i'm talking about guys that really are clean and friendly, volunteer and donate, help that old lady cross the street, etc etc. what do women think of these guys?

and "nice girls" - i like nice girls. it's hard for them to reject you so you can keep hitting on them. then if they're really "nice" maybe you can even coerce them for sex. win! win! win!

Heyyu

Jun 18th, 2007, 05:44 PM

I don't believe in "nice" girls. Just like the myth about "nice" guys. In truth, people are complicated and complex creatures with many different sides. To quote Orson Welles, "There is a philistine and an aesthete in all of us; a murderer and a saint."

"Nice" girls are just girls that CHOOSE to show which side of them they want others to see. Just because they might not be wearing a slutty skin-tight revealing outfit does NOT mean they lack a "bad" side (just that you haven't seen it yet). It's the same with "nice" guys as well. It's all an act. A "nice" girl and a "nice" guy can turn "bad" at anytime. It's like the concept of yin and yang: there's bad and good in everyone.

That's why I laugh at guys that hit on "nice" girls under the false assumption that it's easier. Any women worth their weight in gold will not just randomly sleep with any guy that wants it (unless she's a slut). But if she's a slut, can she really be a "good" girl?

And it's the girls that seem like the most "nice and sweet" on the outside that maybe the most dirtiest on the inside. Not to mention some of the biggest users of men who are easily duped into falling for their angelic outward appearance.

Think about that the next time you get a "good" girl into bed... hey, if she was that easy for you, what about others? And if that's the case, wear some goddamn protection for your own good cause who knows what's been under that hood...

ZhuBaJie

Jun 18th, 2007, 06:18 PM

ZhuBaJie

Jun 18th, 2007, 06:22 PM

That's why I laugh at guys that hit on "nice" girls under the false assumption that it's easier. Any women worth their weight in gold will not just randomly sleep with any guy that wants it (unless she's a slut). But if she's a slut, can she really be a "good" girl?

And it's the girls that seem like the most "nice and sweet" on the outside that maybe the most dirtiest on the inside. Not to mention some of the biggest users of men who are easily duped into falling for their angelic outward appearance.

pussy is pussy. if you're just out to get laid, who gives a damn about any of the above?

Think about that the next time you get a "good" girl into bed... hey, if she was that easy for you, what about others? And if that's the case, wear some goddamn protection for your own good cause who knows what's been under that hood...

what is this, health class? i haven't been out in the dating world for a few years now but yeah of course you gotta have protection. disease aside, you don't want some girl coming to you nine months later claiming a kid is yours.

Heyyu

Jun 18th, 2007, 06:32 PM

i've met girls that i thought really were "nice girls". that's not really a comment on how "complicated" or "complex" they were. what i mean by that is girls that are hardly, if ever, bitchy. but they were all pretty good looking, and that certainly helps because people treat them well. nice and fugly chicks can easily become nice and bitter chicks.

but while those "nice girls" are great to take home to mother, they're really not nearly as fun as girls who are... otherwise not so nice. best is a combination of the two, i guess. to quote a friend - what men want is "Slutty Crocker".

Actually, that reminds me of a joke: What's the difference between good girls and nice girls? Good girls swallow. Nice girls spit.

And I think what you're referring to are the bitchy gals. I think that depends on personality type moreso than looks. I've met pretty and not-so-pretty girls that acted like they had a chip on their shoulders and were all bitchy and challenging everyone (or as I call them, the psycho freaks). I've also met pretty and not-so-pretty girls that were easygoing and laidback.

Of course, I've had past relationships with easygoing gals that could indeed get quite bitchy when they were angry so I think bitchyness is a trait of women in general... just depends on how often they use it, lol.

Heyyu

Jun 18th, 2007, 06:41 PM

pussy is pussy. if you're just out to get laid, who gives a damn about any of the above?

Shit, if it's just about pussy and one-night stands, don't go for the good girls... go for the ugly girls. They're the most desperate and as my friend once said, "Just put a bag over their heads cause the pussy all looks the same down there anyways." And you'll be gone and out the door the next morning.

ZhuBaJie

Jun 18th, 2007, 06:55 PM

And I think what you're referring to are the bitchy gals. I think that depends on personality type moreso than looks. I've met pretty and not-so-pretty girls that acted like they had a chip on their shoulders and were all bitchy and challenging everyone (or as I call them, the psycho freaks). I've also met pretty and not-so-pretty girls that were easygoing and laidback.

all i'm saying is it certainly helps when people are usually nice to you because they think you're pretty. that kind of treatment can easily make a person bitchy, too. but if you're a naturally nice person, and people around you are always treating you well, it's only going to reinforce your "nice" personality instead of turning you into a bitter bitch.

ZhuBaJie

Jun 18th, 2007, 06:57 PM

Shit, if it's just about pussy and one-night stands, don't go for the good girls... go for the ugly girls. They're the most desperate and as my friend once said, "Just put a bag over their heads cause the pussy all looks the same down there anyways." And you'll be gone and out the door the next morning.

why would i go for ugly girls when there are plenty of good looking ones that are willing to put out...?

Heyyu

Jun 18th, 2007, 07:07 PM

why would i go for ugly girls when there are plenty of good looking ones that are willing to put out...?

Actually I was talking about the most direct way to get one-night lays in general for horny guys (that or cash for the hooka's). Of course, if you've got friends with benefits... well hey, don't let me spoil your fun.

Ike

Jun 18th, 2007, 11:07 PM

why would i go for ugly girls when there are plenty of good looking ones that are willing to put out...?

Because if you're nice to a girl who can't usually get guys, she will do ANYTHING for you.

ZhuBaJie

Jun 19th, 2007, 02:00 AM

Because if you're nice to a girl who can't usually get guys, she will do ANYTHING for you.

i'm a big boy. i don't need a girl to do things for me. but masturbation can get boring sometimes, and only girls can provide sex.

nskripchun

Jun 19th, 2007, 03:30 AM

to quote a friend - what men want is "Slutty Crocker".

hahaha, this made me laugh... never heard it before. But yes... men's needs pretty much revolve around food and eating. And sometimes in that exact order.

But yeah... back to the topic of genuinely "nice guys" and "nice girls". I think I can echo ZhuBaJie and say that I think that they're out there in the world.

I guess people just have to be careful that not everybody who seems like a "nice guy" or "nice girl" really is one.

Heyyu

Jun 19th, 2007, 06:22 AM

But yeah... back to the topic of genuinely "nice guys" and "nice girls". I think I can echo ZhuBaJie and say that I think that they're out there in the world.

They might be out there, but they are a rare breed indeed. Problem is usually many nice people lose their "niceness" as they grow older and become more experienced and less naive. It's just the way the world works cause the world can be cruel and people develop a "hard shell" to keep from getting hurt.

I mean, I don't think guys purposely grow up to be deceitful playa's or girls grow up to be mean bitches. No, it's usually from some bad experience in the past where they got hurt so they have to develop a hard outer shell to keep from getting tricked or duped. Unfortunately, too many people take advantage of other people in this world. That's why it's hard to be trusting sometimes.

Then again, I think a huge part of it is how people respond to the adversity and shit that this world throws at them. Usually that's when optimists become pessimists. Happy-go-lucky people become cynical. And the bitterness, anger & jealousy creates liars, cheaters, and sociopaths.

It's usually rare the person that can go through a lot of shit and come out the other side ending up like Mother Teresa rather than becoming some bitter cynical pessimist that swears revenge upon the world for all the hurt and pain they've suffered. Even Hitler started out just wanting to be a carefree artist, ya' know?

It also doesn't help that we live in a superficial & cynical culture today that is obsessed with finding the faults in people and building up then knocking down heroes from their pedastals.