White people think our chicks are hot! Score!

[Hater Depot]

I was just browsing through some Korean news when this line about a Miss Universe hopeful caught my eye:

백인종의 눈에도 이하늬는 돋보인다

"Lee Ha-nui is becoming more beautiful in the eyes of the white race too."

[Vahz]

ffs

Being stereeotyped as being smart, Asians can be so stupid sometimes.

[theme]

As an Asian American, a statement like that makes my insides hurt, but at the same time I kind of expect that mentality. I mean if you look around it's become quite obvious that we seek validation from Whites.

[lycheng]

If you live in the U.S. or any country where whites are the majority, isn't it natural to want "validation" from "them"? At some level we all want approval/validate from each other. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

If you live in a country where whites are a minority, then it does raise an eyebrow somewhat.

lycheng

[theme]

If you live in the U.S. or any country where whites are the majority, isn't it natural to want "validation" from "them"? At some level we all want approval/validate from each other. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

If you live in a country where whites are a minority, then it does raise an eyebrow somewhat.

lycheng

Unless I am mistaken, that article was in Korean...which probably means that it's from Korea. Again, not a surprise.

[LowFrequency]

Pathetic and sad.

[wuwei]

If you live in the U.S. or any country where whites are the majority, isn't it natural to want "validation" from "them"? At some level we all want approval/validate from each other. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

If you live in a country where whites are a minority, then it does raise an eyebrow somewhat.

lycheng

Do white expats in Asia seek validation from Asians?

[warpeaceandfashion]

This is sad! Why do some Asians feel the need to get validation from Whites? Especially in Korea of all places where the Whites are the minorities and the Koreans are a majority!

[Hater Depot]

Do white expats in Asia seek validation from Asians?

Yes, but a lot create it for themselves through internet trash-talking.

[Vahz]

Like I said in that other thread, Asians still regard whites as their racial overlords.

[lycheng]

Unless I am mistaken, that article was in Korean...which probably means that it's from Korea. Again, not a surprise.

Yes, I know the article was from Korea. But you also said this:

As an Asian American, a statement like that makes my insides hurt, but at the same time I kind of expect that mentality. I mean if you look around it's become quite obvious that we seek validation from Whites.

Since you're an Asian American, I'm assuming you live in the U.S. Which means you live in a society where Whites are the majority. That is a completely different experience than an Asian person living in Asia.

I'm probably older than you Theme, and I think I understand where you're coming from because I've been there when I was younger. It's tough living as a minority.

But if you want to keep your sanity and survive in the U.S., you have to avoid viewing your interactions with whites as either seeking validation or loosing one's pride. Having that mindset while trying to live in the U.S. (or any other white dominated society) only leads to frustration and more negativity. The worst case scenario is hating all whites, which is doing a terrible disservice to yourself.

lycheng

[lycheng]

Like I said in that other thread, Asians still regard whites as their racial overlords.

I don’t have a problem with people living in Asia talking about whites thinking they are superior. My problem is with Asian Americans who jump on the bandwagon.

That’s because it feeds into the mentality where if one “seeks validation” (a term I would never use) from whites, one is on the side of whites, against one's own race. Now, you can hold that attitude if you live in Asia and not suffer any consequences. However, if you live and work among Whites, that mentality only leads to self defeat.

Moreover, you may also feel a sense of betrayal among those Asians who choose to integrate themselves with American society because you feel they have been "whitewashed". If you hold that belief, then I ask: Aren’t you also betraying your fellow Asian Americans? Have you forgotten the often difficult choices one has to make trying to make a living in the U.S.

The fact is, you can be successful in a white society and also be proud of your Asian ancestry. It's normal to want to be accepted by whites because they're probably going to be your teachers, your police, your political leaders and your boss.

lycheng

[Vahz]

It does have a negative effect in Asia as well.

There are tons of stories where Asians in Asia choose to hire white English teachers just because they're white and are thought to be better than non-white English teachers.

[wuwei]

I don’t have a problem with people living in Asia talking about whites thinking they are superior. My problem is with Asian Americans who jump on the bandwagon.

That’s because it feeds into the mentality where if one “seeks validation” (a term I would never use) from whites, one is on the side of whites, against one's own race. Now, you can hold that attitude if you live in Asia and not suffer any consequences. However, if you live and work among Whites, that mentality only leads to self defeat.

Moreover, you may also feel a sense of betrayal among those Asians who choose to integrate themselves with American society because you feel they have been "whitewashed". If you hold that belief, then I ask: Aren’t you also betraying your fellow Asian Americans? Have you forgotten the often difficult choices one has to make trying to make a living in the U.S.

The fact is, you can be successful in a white society and also be proud of your Asian ancestry. It's normal to want to be accepted by whites because they're probably going to be your teachers, your police, your political leaders and your boss.

lycheng

there is a different between socializing/interacting with whites and seeking validation from whites. And it doesn't matter if you are the minority or not, it's NEVER okay to seek validation from other people. Hell, even if you are just an Asian living in an all Asian country, you still should NOT be seeking validation from other people.

you are older than most of the members here, and your view on this issue is probably more pragmatic, while ours is more idealistic.

[Vahz]

I don't think that's why LC is saying. The view he seems to be projecting is that since we live in a "white" country, we have to play by their rules.

Everything we do is under the microscope of the white majority; dating, sports, and economics. What whites believe to be right automatically sets the rules for everyone else. Is it wrong? Sure, but it's their home stadium.

Ever notice that the white washed Asians are the ones who are most accepted by whites? I know an Asian guy that, though he had some Asian stereotypes such as playing the piano and studying hard, he was also the captain of the football team as well as the track team.

Joe was good looking, tanned, dressed very well, and was absolutely ripped. He had his own fan club of girls which had every single race in it. Girls loved him and guys wanted to be him. There was a small racial fight between the Asian girls and white girls because a Korean girl overheard a white girl say that "Joe is such a hottie. I don't think he's seeing anyone so I'm going to get some of that."

How did this happen? It's because American society honors people that play sports. They value physical strength whereas the priorities are different in Asian societies.

This is another reason why I believe Asians receive so much hostility here. The fact is that Asian and American culture clash so much because they're so different. Think about it.

Asian society honors studying and knowledge above all else. It also honors modesty and submissiveness to others as a sign of respect. American society? Complete opposite. We cherish physical strength above all else. We hate weaker people and yell and shout when we want to be heard.

In short, when we seek validation from whites, it's because we wish to be accepted. It's pretty tragic that instead of changing the rules, we just follow without question.

[RebelAzn]

I think we are reading way too much into these comments. People in Asia look to America right now because America is rich and powerful. I think people are turning this into a racial issue when it is more of an economic issue. Asian Americans are so sensitive to racial issues that we turn anything into a race issue when many times it is merely a social issue regardless of the race. People in Taiwan and Hong Kong used to look to Japan when they are rich too. Once China become the richest country in the world, people would look to China too. I doubt most Asians in Asia want to be a poor white person in Russia or Eastern Europe.

When I was in China, I don't get the feeling Chinese people feel white people are better by any means. They might think Americans are richer because of where we are from and the system we have in place to make money. When you are poor, it is natural to want to be rich in order to better your life.

I also agree we Asians and Asian Americans are unique in our own right. It is a bad idea to compare yourself with anyone else whether he/she being white, black or Asian. It is better just being yourself and be happy with what you got. It is a simple principal and you will find it is extremely powerful when you actually believe it.

[lycheng]

I think we are reading way too much into these comments. People in Asia look to America right now because America is rich and powerful.

I totally agree with that. The only reason why people are making it a racial thing is that they are using it to validate their own anti-white sentiment. Yes, I'm using the word "validate" because that's what it is.

there is a different between socializing/interacting with whites and seeking validation from whites. And it doesn't matter if you are the minority or not, it's NEVER okay to seek validation from other people. Hell, even if you are just an Asian living in an all Asian country, you still should NOT be seeking validation from other people.

you are older than most of the members here, and your view on this issue is probably more pragmatic, while ours is more idealistic.

Yes, I am probably more pragmatic than others here. But I don't think your view that it's NEVER okay to seek validation from other people is far from being an idealistic one.

Instead of talking about generalities, l have an example. After graduating from college, I was able to maintain contact with the department chair of the physics department (yeah, I was a physics major). He became a kind of mentor to me. Not that we communicated with each other all the time, but every once in a while we would check up on each other.

Some time later, after I had finished graduate school, I had a couple of job offers. Now I had a good idea which job to take, but something told me it wasn't a bad idea to consult with my old professor. After spending a few minutes talking to him, I was able to convince myself I made the right decision.

Looking back on it now, I was totally seeking validation from my old professor. You know what? ... that was totally worth it. In fact, people do stuff like that every day! It's a sign of a healthy state of being to be able to rely on your friends, colleagues and mentors for a little validation sometimes.

If we deny ourselves this simple human desire, as you're suggesting, we risk becoming isolated, arrogant and self-centered.

lycheng

[Vahz]

But those qualities can also bring community strength.

The problem is when Asians and Asian Americans seek so much validation that it starts to hinder out judgment which is constantly happening. When my friends and I travel to Asia, we notice it all the time. Japan and the Phil. are the worst. Then comes Korea followed by the China/Hong Kong/Taiwan/Vietnam.

We've turned validation into idol worship and it's stopping us from seeing the glory of ourselves.

[theme]

But those qualities can also bring community strength.

The problem is when Asians and Asian Americans seek so much validation that it starts to hinder out judgment which is constantly happening. When my friends and I travel to Asia, we notice it all the time. Japan and the Phil. are the worst. Then comes Korea followed by the China/Hong Kong/Taiwan/Vietnam.

We've turned validation into idol worship and it's stopping us from seeing the glory of ourselves.

You can't really blame people in Asia or even Asian Americans. They reason why Asians seemingly 'worship' whites is because, to be totally honest here, white nations have a 'oneup' on Asian nations. Look at all the people who become idols, in sports, in movies, music, etc.-most of them are whites.

As you can see, the 'worshipping' is a byproduct of a lack of Asian idols to worship. Should 1.5 billion people worship Yao Ming as opposed to uh...Steve Nash, David Beckham, Brad Pitt, etc.etc. Until Asian 'idols' become accepted in the west like western idols are accepted back home, the sentiment that Asians worship whites has to do with the fact that White nations are, in REAL physical terms, have a oneupmanship on Asians.

[Vahz]

Well, how do you feel about the argument of worshipping the person, not the race? I have no problems if Asians worship a specific person. We all do at some point in our lives because of role models. However, the problem is when you associate a single property of that idol and push it across everyone that happens to fit into that demographic.

If white people worship Yao Ming, that's fine. Do you think white people will be worshipping Asians any time soon? No.

[kwak76]

I have to agree with vahz on his last comment.

It's one thing to look up to a single person for their achievement and accomplishment but it is another thing to worship "an entire race".

[RebelAzn]

Vahz -

I have no idea what kind of Asians you hang around with, but if all of their attitude is thinking all white people are like Britt Pitt then they are pretty ignorant.

I know have quite a few friends and I do know some oversea Asians, I can't honestly say I know too many people are like that.

I think most of the people probably admire Americans (mostly white) for their money and glamor on TV. Most Asians in Asia have never experienced racism so they don't even know what it is. I am sure if there is ever some kind of racial incident, then you will see some serious nationalistic feelings coming out in a hurry. People are not stupid when it comes to these kind of things.

[theme]

Well, how do you feel about the argument of worshipping the person, not the race? I have no problems if Asians worship a specific person. We all do at some point in our lives because of role models. However, the problem is when you associate a single property of that idol and push it across everyone that happens to fit into that demographic.

If white people worship Yao Ming, that's fine. Do you think white people will be worshipping Asians any time soon? No.

First, show me a shrine in Asia that is dedicated to white people.

second:

Long story short, I've pretty much been hanging around with non-Asians after I left my high school which happened to be about 45% Asian.

All throughout college and my young professional life, I've been hanging out with non-Asians. Now that I'm in my mid to late 20s, I'm looking to get back in touch with my Asian side and try to make friends with other Asian Americans.

It's kind of hard to take you seriously dude. From what I've read it just sounds like if you were so serious about Asians being proud of themselves then you would have done something for them to look up to. I mean, you basically avoided Asians all your life.

There is no reason why Asians should take the word of an AA male seriously since this is the pattern that I see over and over. You chastizing Asians for 'worshipping' Whites but...have you looked in the mirror lately?

[Scowl]

You know, I just gotta throw this out there, but every time I hear AAs talking about all the white worshipping they witness on their trips to Asia, I have to wonder where they've been hanging out and who they were hanging out with. Just from my own observations, I'd say that at least 90% of all these "native Asians are such white worshippers" anecdotes start off with "Well, my white friends did this, and people treated my white friends like that...."

My point? Just from my experience, the AAs saying that spend most if not all their time in Asia with white friends in the expat/tourist districts. Then, for some reason, they assume that the whole country, nay, the entire continent is exactly the same way. Of course, they won't or can't leave the YTZ because they don't speak the language. Also, they will often be angry or indignant about not being treated as well as their white friends.

Any of you old timers remember that one dude, real crazy guy back in the day who hated Asian women? Yeah, I know that doesn't exactly narrow it down. I forgot what his name was, but he was always ranting about how AFs and native Asians are all sellouts. And he knew this because he saw how all his white friends were treated when they would go backpacking together in Asia. Do you guys remember his name? Was it "justice?"

[RebelAzn]

People who believe in certain stereotypes tend to go out of their way to look for validation in everything to support that stereotype. In the end, they over exaggerate everything they see. Yes, this include Asians who like to stereotype other Asians.

If you are Asian American and you don't really speak the local Asian language and you hung around only white people on your trips, I doubt you would understand how local Asians think. Asian people in Asia generally are pretty nice to foreigners. It is in their custom. I have been to Asia quite a few times and I was treated extremely well each time. Does this mean they worship me too?

Let's not dive too deep into this. I really think some Asian Americans don't really understand Asians in Asia either. Just because you have a face like them does not mean you understand them.

[Vahz]

First, show me a shrine in Asia that is dedicated to white people.

second:



It's kind of hard to take you seriously dude. From what I've read it just sounds like if you were so serious about Asians being proud of themselves then you would have done something for them to look up to. I mean, you basically avoided Asians all your life.

There is no reason why Asians should take the word of an AA male seriously since this is the pattern that I see over and over. You chastizing Asians for 'worshipping' Whites but...have you looked in the mirror lately?

1st, it's not about creating a shrine or monument to white people, it's the mentality towards white people that's an issue.

2nd, as I've said, I'm pretty much playing catch up. All my life, I've shunned Asian people because of selfish reasons such as the idea that hanging around alot of them or going out with Asian girls might make me look less American. I realize that it was completely wrong on my part and regret it. Afterwards, I'm trying to make up for lost time and understand how Asian people put whites in a higher light because I used to be one of them.

[RebelAzn]

Afterwards, I'm trying to make up for lost time and understand how Asian people put whites in a higher light because I used to be one of them.

It is very simple and it is called economics and white media hype. If an Asian kid grew up in the middle of Arkansas full of rednecks, I am sure his view of the white people might just be a little different. People in Asia don't experience racism like Asian Americans do and they only see positive and rich images of white Americans on TV, is it too far-fetched to think some of them might have positive images of white people in America?

I spent a few years under the communist China when I was really young. Back then, white people were portrayed as devils. Chinese people used to think they smell really bad. They used to think whites are barbarians because they have so much body hair therefore they are closer to the animals than human. There were many bad stereotypes about white people and America through the communist Chinese media. Right now, there are many positive images so people's perception is changing. Also, people tend to think grass is always greener on the other side when you are poor. It is a basic human nature called hope. Once China is again world's superpower, I am sure many Asians will be beating their chests with pride too.

[Vahz]

Here's the thing I've noticed about people of color that are living in areas that almost exclusively white.

Blacks and hispanics, when faced with racism, tend to band together. Asians, on the other hand, try to erase who they are in an attempt to blend in.

[kwak76]

scowl,

If I remeber correctly the expat areas in Korea has lots of white worship. If you leave the expat areas the native Koreans may either ignore white people or maybe curious about them.

The difference is that here in the states if you go to asian hang outs you don't see white people coming out worshipping us. Where as the expat areas in Asia you find native asians who want to suck up to white people just because they are white.

To be fair I did meet native Koreans in korea who could give a rat ass about white people and I met a fair number of k-girls who steer clear of white boys just because they are white.



Allot of this has to deal with social claissisms. To native Asians they see USA and Europe as the rich countries and more hip countries. Because of that assoication native Asians ASSUME that if your white your better.

It's like a love hate relationship.

[JadeDragon]

You know, I just gotta throw this out there, but every time I hear AAs talking about all the white worshipping they witness on their trips to Asia, I have to wonder where they've been hanging out and who they were hanging out with. Just from my own observations, I'd say that at least 90% of all these "native Asians are such white worshippers" anecdotes start off with "Well, my white friends did this, and people treated my white friends like that...."

My point? Just from my experience, the AAs saying that spend most if not all their time in Asia with white friends in the expat/tourist districts. Then, for some reason, they assume that the whole country, nay, the entire continent is exactly the same way. Of course, they won't or can't leave the YTZ because they don't speak the language. Also, they will often be angry or indignant about not being treated as well as their white friends.

Any of you old timers remember that one dude, real crazy guy back in the day who hated Asian women? Yeah, I know that doesn't exactly narrow it down. I forgot what his name was, but he was always ranting about how AFs and native Asians are all sellouts. And he knew this because he saw how all his white friends were treated when they would go backpacking together in Asia. Do you guys remember his name? Was it "justice?"

Scowl totally hit the nail on the head. Most Asians wouldn't give a shit about whitey unless they had to earn money off them, and nationalism is more important to them than racism because of their countries' colonial pasts. And people tend to mistake classism for white-worshipping as well.

Like the whole so-called fetish for pale skin, which was endlessly and uselessly debated here before? It's not a response to white ideals of beauty; it just meant that one wasn't a menial labourer who toiled out under the sun. Seriously, if it was something to do with white-worshipping, then one would be hard-pressed to explain why the Malay/other ethnicity-white kids didn't get the modelling contracts because their skin was just a few shades down the foundation chart. Colonial ideas also had some influence, but it depends on how each region's history turned out before one can conclusively say that white-worshipping has something to do with it. For example, the country I was born in was controlled by the Japanese before WWII ended, and even then, when the British took over, the people didn't see them as saviours. In the past, the British had already raped the land, stolen territory and basically humiliated the ruling families, so the people thought of them as just an extension of the unwanted invasion. It was a matter of pride NOT to be like whitey.

Bottom line? Asians and Asian-Americans are not the same. We have shared histories, but we all grow differently.

[theme]

1st, it's not about creating a shrine or monument to white people, it's the mentality towards white people that's an issue.

2nd, as I've said, I'm pretty much playing catch up. All my life, I've shunned Asian people because of selfish reasons such as the idea that hanging around alot of them or going out with Asian girls might make me look less American. I realize that it was completely wrong on my part and regret it. Afterwards, I'm trying to make up for lost time and understand how Asian people put whites in a higher light because I used to be one of them.

Ah...so up until your mid-20s you thought you were better than Asians. And now that you're older and wiser you're beginning to see that they are white-worshipping inferiority complex addled victims that deserved to be chastized for behaviour that you don't condone.

Essentially you're still saying that you're better than them. You were better than them when you shunned them and now you're better than them because you're enlightened whereas they are not.

[Vahz]

In the past, yes, I thought I was better than them.

Now, I don't think I'm better than them because I'm more enlightened but am angry that they don't see themselves as people with identity issues like I once was.

It's of impatient concern, not out of a sense of superiority.

[KHANartist]

Yes, but a lot create it for themselves through internet trash-talking.

Of course whites want approval from the majority when they are in the minority. I`m "brown", but I`d definitely want to approval from the majority if I lived in say China.

You know, whites don`t have a monopoly on spewing rubbish over the web.

[Vahz]

I don't see that happening when whites are the minority in Asia.

[kimtae]

I don't see that happening when whites are the minority in Asia.

I'd have to agree with that. Most Whites in Asia bitch about how "backwards" Asians are and how they can't make a decent half-caf, low fat latte and how the food smells funny. Rare is the one who will make an effort to comply with local custom or learn the language.

Khanartist, still a sell-out, eh?

[Heyyu]

Again, a lot of it is about status and economics. Asian societies are about status and well... it's true the so-called "Western" countries are on top so they'd want to emulate them. If the African countries were on top today, I wouldn't be surprised if you saw Asians getting tans or something. And yes, you can't really generalize all Asians as white-worshipping. I've been to poor little villages and there's not any white-worshipping there since whites (or anyone from the outside world) are viewed as aliens.

However, it's in the big cities of Asia like Tokyo, Seoul, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore, Bangkok, Manilla and so on where people tend to see the worshipping more. I think it's cause those cities are major economic centers and any foreigner that goes and works in Asia will probably end up in one of those cities. Plus, the average citizen in those cities is relatively better off compared to the rest of the country so they have more access to computers and TV and internet connection and 90% of the stereotypes of "Western" culture comes through the media (i.e. movies, TV, fashion magazines).

So the Asian "white-worshippers" that people talk of in those countries are usually limited to the well-off city kids like some 16-year old Tokyo kid who grows up downloading American movies and TV shows and reading all the latest fashions from magazines... but another poor 16-year old kid in some tiny village in Cambodia with little access to the internet will probably have no white worshipping since he's too busy out in the field farming or picking rice and struggling to survive.

[Vahz]

I've always said that the cause of alot of racial and self-identity issues comes from American media and culture. Coincidently, this is where minorities have the least amount of power and influence.

American media is completely irresponsible and is the reason for much of the ignorance and racism projected in society today.

[little mixed girl]

Was it "justice?"

justice4all?

----
ha they like that white ppl like asian girls? well, i guess you guys who complain can be happy to know that there's a korean program with 16 "beautiful foreign girls living in korea".
and in some interview with two of the girls, it was boasted that they love korea and korean men, and want to marry korean men.

now everyone can be happy.

[RebelAzn]

Again, a lot of it is about status and economics. Asian societies are about status and well... it's true the so-called "Western" countries are on top so they'd want to emulate them. If the African countries were on top today, I wouldn't be surprised if you saw Asians getting tans or something. And yes, you can't really generalize all Asians as white-worshipping. I've been to poor little villages and there's not any white-worshipping there since whites (or anyone from the outside world) are viewed as aliens.

However, it's in the big cities of Asia like Tokyo, Seoul, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore, Bangkok, Manilla and so on where people tend to see the worshipping more. I think it's cause those cities are major economic centers and any foreigner that goes and works in Asia will probably end up in one of those cities. Plus, the average citizen in those cities is relatively better off compared to the rest of the country so they have more access to computers and TV and internet connection and 90% of the stereotypes of "Western" culture comes through the media (i.e. movies, TV, fashion magazines).

So the Asian "white-worshippers" that people talk of in those countries are usually limited to the well-off city kids like some 16-year old Tokyo kid who grows up downloading American movies and TV shows and reading all the latest fashions from magazines... but another poor 16-year old kid in some tiny village in Cambodia with little access to the internet will probably have no white worshipping since he's too busy out in the field farming or picking rice and struggling to survive.

Good comments. Also keep in mind in those major Asian cities the only white people they are exposed too are usually rich ones. Pretty much rich Americans get to go to Asia on some kind of expat package. You won't find too many poor white trash in China cause they probably can't afford to travel. Over 90% of Americans don't even own a passport. The ones that work or live in Asia usually are well-educated and have excellent income. Naturally, local people think all white people are like the ones they have been exposed to which could not be furtherest from the truth. If people in major Asian cities are exposed to rednecks day in and day out, I am sure their opinion of white people would change in a hurry.

And I agree with Vahz, American media plays a huge role in stereotyping people left and right. In this case, white people are stereotyped as rich and good looking because that's all they want to show on many movies. Living here in America, I am sure most of us know there are some really ugly white people everywhere.

[KHANartist]

Khanartist, still a sell-out, eh?

Sellout?? If by that you mean I`m NOT an insecure wanker who treats the opposite sex like property and then wonders why I can`t get laid then I`m guilty as charged.

[kimtae]

Sellout?? If by that you mean I`m NOT an insecure wanker who treats the opposite sex like property and then wonders why I can`t get laid then I`m guilty as charged.

You're a sell-out because you're always here to defend the white man and to charge AM's as the bad guys in all of your scenarios. You're a bottom bitch and a detriment to Asian equality. Look at your reply. You try to accuse me of being a stereotypical East Asian mysogynist just like some YT would. You play the same tired ass old race baiting arguments that sell-outs and Racist YT's do. Go sit at your master's table and get the fuck out of here, bitch.

[theme]

^^
It's like looking at a recently cleaned mirror.

[Dimeron]

Hm.. I can only speak for the Chinese I met when I went back to visit. Although keep in mind this is couple years back.

Yes, a lot of Chinese think Whites are better in many aspects. It is very commonly held belief in China that white people (and black too) have better body than Asians, and in general White men and women are better looking than their Asian counter part. It is very similar to how a lot of White here stereotype all Asians are smart and good at math while all black do great in sports.

However, saying they all worship white is a stretch. Yes, a white American will be treated differently because they are perceived to have a lot of money and gullible. There are those who genuinely want to worship white (or rather, Americans), but the majority are those who just want to make a quick easy buck by scamming the stupid rich foreigner.

Another important aspect is face. Chinese will treat a rich foreigner well because they see them as esteemed guests to the country. I’m sure I don’t need to point out how Asians in general acts when it involves saving face.

On the other hand, I have seen Russian migrant workers and working families (white as well) who are not treated the same way, all because the stereotype is that working Russians are poor and are therefore lower class.

[Heyyu]

Hm.. I can only speak for the Chinese I met when I went back to visit. Although keep in mind this is couple years back.

Yes, a lot of Chinese think Whites are better in many aspects. It is very commonly held belief in China that white people (and black too) have better body than Asians, and in general White men and women are better looking than their Asian counter part. It is very similar to how a lot of White here stereotype all Asians are smart and good at math while all black do great in sports.

However, saying they all worship white is a stretch. Yes, a white American will be treated differently because they are perceived to have a lot of money and gullible. There are those who genuinely want to worship white (or rather, Americans), but the majority are those who just want to make a quick easy buck by scamming the stupid rich foreigner.

Another important aspect is face. Chinese will treat a rich foreigner well because they see them as esteemed guests to the country. I’m sure I don’t need to point out how Asians in general acts when it involves saving face.

On the other hand, I have seen Russian migrant workers and working families (white as well) who are not treated the same way, all because the stereotype is that working Russians are poor and are therefore lower class.

I have a friend living in China who says that in Shanghai there's women that will actually say, "We are for foreign men only." Hell, even Jackie Chan agrees: http://english.cri.cn/2246/2005-6-14/67@247200.htm

What's even more depressing is that since China is becoming a superpower, it's sorta like the last-ditch hope in Asia to counter all the white worshipping. But shit, if this is what China is becoming, fuck that. A nation of 1 billion white-worshippers is too depressing to think about it...

[Scowl]

A nation of 1 billion white-worshippers is too depressing to think about it...

I know, man. Being Chinese, it hurts me to think that my people are this way. I think perhaps all of us Chinese should kill ourselves, especially that no good fucking butt kiss sellout Jackie Chan. He should kill himself first so all true Chinese can point to him and say, "this is what happens when you are not proud." And then we light coals in an enclosed space while watching Wong Fei Hong movies (but NOT the one which has Jackie Chan singing the main song!!!) and find our honor at last.

[Ike]

I know, man. Being Chinese, it hurts me to think that my people are this way. I think perhaps all of us Chinese should kill ourselves, especially that no good fucking butt kiss sellout Jackie Chan. He should kill himself first so all true Chinese can point to him and say, "this is what happens when you are not proud." And then we light coals in an enclosed space while watching Wong Fei Hong movies (but NOT the one which has Jackie Chan singing the main song!!!) and find our honor at last.

But I like that song! I guess that means I should go kill myself too.

[nskripchun]

I know, man. Being Chinese, it hurts me to think that my people are this way. I think perhaps all of us Chinese should kill ourselves, especially that no good fucking butt kiss sellout Jackie Chan. He should kill himself first so all true Chinese can point to him and say, "this is what happens when you are not proud." And then we light coals in an enclosed space while watching Wong Fei Hong movies (but NOT the one which has Jackie Chan singing the main song!!!) and find our honor at last.

I think the Chinese national anthem should be the Wong Fei Hong theme. Preferably the version from either "Tai Chi Master" or "Once Upon a Time in China"...

[Vahz]

Hrm, I've been to Shanghai to visit four times so far and from what I've seen, of all the white men there, none of them appeared to be single and many of the women with them appeared to be decent looking. Many of the women there appeared to be higher class than others and gave off a snooty attitude.

I might add that since I'm an ABC, they can spot me very easily and I've been given many many looks from the local women. It's the way I dress, the way I walk, the way I sit, the way I speak crappy Chinese, and most importantly, the way I treat women. The girl I was friends with, and also opening flirting with, caught many glances from these same white men who appeared nervous because the local women were watching me as well.

The biggest and hottest commodities in Asia now are North American born Asian men because you're close enough to be familiar but foreign enough to be exotic. Also interesting is that the reason why the women love ABA (American born Asians) is that they tend to take care of themselves and appear to be much less sexist, chauvinistic, and demanding of women. (Maogirl is going to come in and kill me soon.)

Look, you can spend time worrying about people you'll never meet in your life or you can live your own life. Are there Chinese women that think this way? Yes. The problem among Asians is that no one actually argues against them and disagrees.

This is why I believe that Asians actually prolong and protract white racism by being complacent to it. This goes for Asians and Asian Americans alike. We're our own biggest enemy. Though blacks tend to be bigger and stronger than white men, you don't see whites going around proclaiming that they're inferior. Asian men will openingly admit that crap.

If these same Chinese women who state they are for foreign men only, I'm willing to bet many Chinese, men and women, will acknowledge that foreign men are superior. Asian people need to grow a backbone. Like a girl once told me, “perception is reality” and “If you look like Paul Giamatti but carry yourself as Brad Pitt, women will see you as Brad Pitt. If Asian people view themselves as superior to others, including whites; they, in turn, will think of you as superior.

Want to hear another story that’s funny? My dad was telling me that these women that fawn over foreign men are mostly doing it marry into money or class (like someone mentioned, it’s for power and money), or so they think. What’s funny is that it’s the white men that end up draining the woman’s and her family's finances. He was angry because he sees this as white men exploiting Chinese women. I rebutted with the idea that a fool and her money are soon parted.

[Vahz]

Heyyu, I have to agree with other posters here that though it's perfectly fine for you to bring up that example, it's tends to be demoralizing and would suggest restraint from posting examples like this unless it's really warrented.

Jackie Chan is a moron. What? Chinese men can't help spread Chinese culture by marrying and having children with white women?

[RebelAzn]

Vahz -

I agree some Asians from poor countries still hold that colonialism mentality. I think most rich Chinese don't hold that mindset. Yes poor people tend to believe that since they want some hope. Also, there are some horror stories of these foreign women who marry men for money and taking advantages of them once they get to America. There are also plenty of these men taking advantages of these foreign women. Bottom line it is all about greed.

I live next to a town where it is basically either #2 or #3 richest town in the entire USA. The town has over 40% Chinese and it is mainly because it has one of the top schools in the country. Most rich Chinese Americans don't hold this mentality you described, at least not here.

I got the same impression with Chinese Americans in China. Yes many local women like these types. I got plenty of attention from females there once they figure out I am from America. At least I know some of these attentions are not exactly for the right reasons.

At end of the day, you can only develop a healthy attitude yourself. You can help change the people around you or do your best to spread your message through the Internet. Bitching and whining won't solve years of media brainwashing.

[Scowl]

You guys know about Shanghai's rep, right?

Anyway, those of us who are Chinese, raise your hands. Okay. Now kill yourselves because the shame of 1 billion of our brothers and sisters selling out (and especially Jackie Chan) is too much to bear.

[atlasien]

I never knew the thought of mass suicide could be this funny. :D

Looks like the Japanese, Koreans and SE Asians will all have to fight it out to see who inherits this thread.

[Heyyu]

Looks like the Japanese, Koreans and SE Asians will all have to fight it out to see who inherits this thread.

Well to be quite honest I think the Japanese and Koreans should be the first to go cause they were the earliest adopters of this white colonial mindset BS.

Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, and Singapore are also next in line to join the Hall of Shame of shameless white ass-kissers.

Haha, let's get rid of all the Asians & this world will be mine for the taking! http://www.htwm.de/~taltmann/bilder/pinky_brain.jpg

[nskripchun]

You guys know about Shanghai's rep, right?

Anyway, those of us who are Chinese, raise your hands. Okay. Now kill yourselves because the shame of 1 billion of our brothers and sisters selling out (and especially Jackie Chan) is too much to bear.

(grabs meat cleaver)

oh, the shame.

[Vahz]

What is Shanghai's "rep?"

Look, there is no real reason to fret over these types of women honestly. You're not going to change their minds about it so the best thing to do is combat the mentality as a whole by demanding other "good" Asians to call them out on their shit.

[Scowl]

Shanghai ren have a reputation for being cheats and gold diggers.

I might add that since I'm an ABC, they can spot me very easily and I've been given many many looks from the local women. It's the way I dress, the way I walk, the way I sit, the way I speak crappy Chinese, and most importantly, the way I treat women.

Americans also have a rep for being suckers.

[Vahz]

Shanghai ren have a reputation for being cheats and gold diggers.



Americans also have a rep for being suckers.

Eh, the girl I was with wasn't like that at all. I had to fight her to pay. She even scratched me when she tries to rip the bill away from me but she paid me back later that night. /nudge

Sadly, I doubt anything will happen with her since we're not likely to move near each other any time soon.

[wuwei]

You guys know about Shanghai's rep, right?

Anyway, those of us who are Chinese, raise your hands. Okay. Now kill yourselves because the shame of 1 billion of our brothers and sisters selling out (and especially Jackie Chan) is too much to bear.

this is true, I hate garbage Chinese more than whites.

[Heyyu]

this is true, I hate garbage Chinese more than whites.

I actually agree with this. In fact, garbage whites don't seem to bother me as much since I could care less about white people so their shit doesn't phase me.

But seeing garbage Asians and their shit gets under my skin like no other for some reason and I have no clue why...

[KHANartist]

You're a sell-out because you're always here to defend the white man and to charge AM's as the bad guys in all of your scenarios. You're a bottom bitch and a detriment to Asian equality. Look at your reply. You try to accuse me of being a stereotypical East Asian mysogynist just like some YT would. You play the same tired ass old race baiting arguments that sell-outs and Racist YT's do. Go sit at your master's table and get the fuck out of here, bitch.

And the winner of this year`s NAACP award is Mr. Kimtae!!
Oh get a life. I defend everybody from attacks by delusional woman-hating insecure wankers. Nobody has to tolerate bigotry and intolerance from cowards like you. The KKK hides behind sheets and you hide in cyberspace.

Unlike you, I do not care what race anybody is. You play the same tired old race game that all you rednecks do. Everybody who does not share your deranged myopic hatred of blacks/whites/women is not not a real Asian. Sellout, that is the same as "n****rlover". I`ve adjusted the attitudes of many narrow-minded bigots like you in the past.....I`d like to do it again.

[kimtae]

And the winner of this year`s NAACP award is Mr. Kimtae!!
Oh get a life. I defend everybody from attacks by delusional woman-hating insecure wankers. Nobody has to tolerate bigotry and intolerance from cowards like you. The KKK hides behind sheets and you hide in cyberspace.

Unlike you, I do not care what race anybody is. You play the same tired old race game that all you rednecks do. Everybody who does not share your deranged myopic hatred of blacks/whites/women is not not a real Asian. Sellout, that is the same as "n****rlover". I`ve adjusted the attitudes of many narrow-minded bigots like you in the past.....I`d like to do it again.

Again, you have nothing base your statements on so you just lash out randomly hoping to hit me with your all inclusive and inaccurate labeling. The only thing I have an issue with is pathetic sell-outs like you who live in perpetual denial of the fact that you are a spineless apologetic piece of shit. All you ever do is post how you put some Asian into his place or how Whites aren't racist, it's Asians who have the problem. Go away. You're an embarrassment.

[KHANartist]

Again, you have nothing base your statements on so you just lash out randomly hoping to hit me with your all inclusive and inaccurate labeling. The only thing I have an issue with is pathetic sell-outs like you who live in perpetual denial of the fact that you are a spineless apologetic piece of shit. All you ever do is post how you put some Asian into his place or how Whites aren't racist, it's Asians who have the problem. Go away. You're an embarrassment.

Nice little rant. You`re pretty good with the labelling yourself. There are white sexist bigots and you`ve continuously shown that there also East Asian ones too. If I was on an a "white" forum I`d be attacking those ignorant twits, but I`m Asian and the handful of intolerant wankers here just happen to be East Asian. See how it works?

[awong]

you are annoying just go away please

[Heli]

Why are we all so addicted to hate?

[Scowl]

Why are we all so addicted to hate?

Personally, I got suckered in by the free samples.

Welcome to the boards, by the way.