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maogirl
Apr 6th, 2007, 02:14 AM
i really fucking hate andrew leonard, fucking dumbass with his proud fetish for taiwan. however, the book seems interesting enough.

it's kind of funny, i used to say i have aboriginal blood but i stopped because i look so han chinese and i have no knowledge of any aboriginal customs or language anyway, that it felt like those gweilos who are like "i'm 1/16th cherokee" or whatever.

funny, though, i met this mixed taiwanese gweilo dude who grew up in taipei the other day, and he was like, "you have GOT to have aboriginal blood, look at your nose!"


from: http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/?last_story=/tech/htww/2007/04/05/taiwan_china/


How Taiwan became Chinese

One of the oddities of history is that although Taiwan is separated from mainland China by only about 100 miles, the first outside power to exert political control over the island was the Netherlands. Even more peculiar, and delightful, is the thesis articulated in Tonio Andrade's "How Taiwan Became Chinese": The Dutch are ultimately responsible for the Sinification of Taiwan; the transformation of an island populated predominantly by Austronesian aborigines into a culturally Chinese domain.

Here is how Andrade introduces the idea:

Intensive Chinese colonization began abruptly in the 1630s, shortly after the Dutch East India Company established a trading port on Taiwan. The Dutch realized that their port's hinterlands could produce rice and sugar for export, but they were unable to persuade Taiwan's aborigines to raise crops for sale -- most were content to plant just enough for themselves and their families. The colonists considered importing European settlers, but the idea was rejected by their superiors in the Netherlands. So they settled instead on a more unusual plan: encourage Chinese immigration. The Dutch offered tax breaks and free land to Chinese colonists, using their powerful military to protect pioneers from aboriginal assault... In this way the company created a calculable economic and social environment, making Taiwan a safe place for Chinese to move to and invest in, whether they were poor peasants or rich entrepreneurs. People from the province of Fujian, just across the Taiwan Strait, began pouring into the colony, which grew and prospered, becoming, in essence, a Chinese settlement under Dutch rule. The colony's revenues were drawn almost entirely from Chinese settlers, through taxes, tolls, and licenses. As one Dutch governor put it, "The Chinese are the only bees on Formosa that give honey."

Regular readers of How the World Works know that I have something of a Taiwan fetish, given my years spent there in the mid-80s, and my conviction that the country plays an extraordinarily important role in both the global economy and the emerging narrative of China's rise in world affairs. So I'm generally a sucker for well-written Taiwanese history. But Andrade hooked me with a lure glistening with more than just the promise of intriguing historical ironies. It is his contention that the late 16th and early 17th centuries in East Asia, a period in which the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese and Chinese all operated in pursuit of trading riches and power, offers an early look at globalization -- that it was here where the first true era of global trade emerged.

Again, let's return to the source:

We can glimpse the structure of the new global trade by focusing on its most important commodity: silver. In 1637 a Spanish official wrote that "China... is the general center for the silver of Europe and Asia." Recent scholarship corroborates his view. During the sixteenth century, silver production and trade increased dramatically and, although the metal moved through a web of networks, most of it ended up in China. Indeed, China became a global "silver sink," drawing the metal from all over the world. So vast was China's demand that it may have affected major developments in Europe itself: "There would not have been a Spanish Empire in the absence of the transformation of the Chinese society to a silver base, nor would there have been the same sort of 'Price Revolution' (i.e., inflation) around the globe in the early modern period." China's thirst for silver shaped the pattern of global trade and colonialism and, what is most important for our inquiry, led to the colonization of Taiwan

Icing on the cake? A key player in this drama was Koxinga, a.k.a. "the pirate king of Taiwan," the never-say-die Ming dynasty loyalist who ruled the Taiwan straits and defeated both the Manchu invaders and the Dutch in a series of extraordinary battles. So even as I write these words, my printer is chugging away printing out PDF versions of the rest of the chapters of "How Taiwan Became Chinese." In my geeky world there's nothing better for bedtime reading than a little dose of 16th century Taiwanese globalization.

PDF files? Yes, what began as Andrade's dissertation is now an e-book published by the Columbia University Press and American Historical Association's' Gutenberg-e, an online-only imprint designed to highlight the best work of "junior scholars" in history, and in so doing, possibly rescue the historical monograph from a premature death. Subscription to Gutenberg-e for just one book costs a whopping $49, which strikes me as completely outrageous, but luckily, there is a one-week free trial available for anyone who is curious as to how the habits of aborigine headhunters in 16th century Taiwan were affected by Fujianese immigration.

One last thing: as Andrade notes in his preface, it would be easy to misinterpret his title in the framework of the current, highly politicized question of whether Taiwan should be an independent nation or is just a "rebel province" that must inevitably be folded back under the mainland's wing. That is not Andrade's intent.

He writes, in his preface:

... I worried that my title might help hawks in mainland China argue that Taiwan belongs to the People's Republic of China, and I strongly believe that Taiwan belongs to its people and should be whatever they decide. They're doing a great job ruling themselves.

Yet there is no doubt that Taiwan today is culturally Chinese... Indeed, in many ways Taiwan is more Chinese than its assertive neighbor. Three decades of Maoism stripped away parts of mainland China's traditional culture, but Taiwan preserves customs, festivals, and schools of thought that were extinguished across the strait....

When the story starts in the early seventeenth century, few Chinese lived on Taiwan, and China's officials so disdained the island that they urged the Dutch to establish a colony there rather than on the much smaller Penghu Islands in the Taiwan Strait. The Dutch reluctantly went to Taiwan, and it was, oddly, under their rule that Chinese immigration to the island began in earnest. By the end of the Dutch period, a self-sustaining and rapidly growing Chinese colony had been born, and thenceforth China's governments could not ignore Taiwan. Today, mainland China clamors loudly for reunification, and perhaps it will come. If so, let it be on Taiwan's terms, when and how the Taiwanese want.

-- Andrew Leonard

Dialectic
Apr 6th, 2007, 03:57 AM
Damn, this has got me interested. I'll download this when I have some time in the summer. Anyway, hail the KMT! :P

aelward
Apr 7th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Thank god for Zheng Chenggong....

nskripchun
Apr 7th, 2007, 04:19 AM
Definitely sounds like an interesting read.

ZhuBaJie
Apr 7th, 2007, 06:07 PM
a lot of people in Taiwan have long held that they are more traditionally and culturally Chinese than people in mainland China. when i say, "Chinese", of course, i'm referring to 華人, and not 中國人.

and it's interesting he pointed out the role of silver in the 1600s, basically the end of the Ming dynasty and the beginning of the Qing dynasty. at the time, Chinese goods were in very high demand by the European and even American rich and ruling classes. they were "exotic" and a sign of cultural distinction, stuff like silk products and procelain. but both the late Ming government and the Qing government were very restrictive in trade with foreign countries, so the Europeans and the Americans had a hard time accessing the Chinese market. also, trade was to be conducted in silver. China actually had a vast reserve of silver back then because of trade, and European and American powers were always trying to even the trade imbalance without much success. (sound familiar?)

so what happened? well, opium happened. it wasn't just the British, the Americans sold opium to China as well. in fact, it made up the majority of their trade in the 1800s. this reversed the trend of the flow of silver, and basically depleted China's silver reserve. resistance to opium ended up in the Opium Wars, and a beginning of China signing a series of Unequal Treaties.

so let's think - is there a reason why today's China is so resistant to foreign pressure of how "free trade" ought to be conducted??? hmmm... why doesn't the Chinese government let go of the currency peg on the request of the EU and the US? yeah i really wonder why. this is the same old song and dance, people. the US and the EU are frustrated at the trade imbalance, and that they do not have a bigger slice of the Chinese market. this already happened four hundred years ago.

lycheng
Apr 9th, 2007, 09:50 PM
That was an interesting article. It's a point of view that I agree with. Of course it's probably because of my Chinese heritage.

Did anyone read the letter (http://letters.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/04/05/taiwan_china/permalink/87a2e303ad1db85657e3248fd585fe84.html) in response to the article? A guy named Michael Turton (http://michaelturton.blogspot.com/) wrote:

Whoa! Lots of problems here....

One of the oddities of history is that although Taiwan is separated from mainland China by only about 100 miles, the first outside power to exert political control over the island was the Netherlands.
Andrew, the Dutch arrived in 1624, the Spanish had arrived several years before. The fort in Tamshui -- which I am sure you visited -- built in 1619, still stands in Tamshui outside of Taipei, the one in Keelung has long since disappeared, I think. It was only after the Spanish and the Portugese had a falling out in 1641 that the Spanish sphere in northern Taiwan was extinguished, in 1642.

Three decades of Maoism stripped away parts of mainland China's traditional culture, but Taiwan preserves customs, festivals, and schools of thought that were extinguished across the strait...
Wow! I haven't heard this KMT propaganda chestnut in more than two decades! I had thought that one safely disposed of years ago. Which only once again confirms Darwin's dictum that wrong theories get killed immediately, but wrong facts never disappear. Taiwan doesn't "preserve" customs extinguished across the Strait -- it has developed its own versions of them + others not original to China, just as the different parts of China also have their own versions of them, constantly evolving and taking in ideas from other cultures. There's no ideal "Chinese culture" that China has fallen away from -- how could China fall away from its own culture? -- but Taiwan "preserves." Human behavior doesn't permit "preservation" of cultures -- that is strictly a bit of western ethnoromanticism, which Beijing, with its interpretation of Chinese cultural as an imperialist tool, plays to. It's shameful that a historical scholar repeats this claptrap.

there is no doubt that Taiwan today is culturally Chinese....
An interesting claim. At random, Taiwan's "preserved" culture includes a democratic government with elected officials -- nowhere found in Chinese history -- extensive westernization in education and business, a totally different land tenure system rationalized under the Japanese and under the postwar land reforms, a profound Japanese influence in food, fashions, etc, a police structure based on British colonial systems as adopted by the Japanese, the experienced of colonization by the Chinese, Japanese, and Dutch, etc etc etc. Either you reduce culture to nothing more meaningful than a few harmless customs, or you wake up and realize that what we have here is a multicultural Pacific island state with its own past, present and future. You can't read it through a Chinese lens, any more than you can read US history through a British lens.
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Well Mr. Turton, you can't deny the Cultural Revolution took place under Mao's rule. In that context, Taiwan under KMT did preserve Chinese culture.

lycheng

maogirl
Apr 10th, 2007, 04:21 AM
Well Mr. Turton, you can't deny the Cultural Revolution took place under Mao's rule. In that context, Taiwan under KMT did preserve Chinese culture.

lycheng

huh? the cultural revolution is also chinese, so in its way, it's also a form of chinese culture.

that turton dude is right: preservation is practically impossible because of how human society evolves. did you not understand what he wrote?

poisenedrice
Apr 11th, 2007, 10:48 AM
TODO: Put this ad on a Japanese dating site

Single 25% Hakka, 25% Taiwanese, 50% Mainlander EXOTIC MIXED Chinese dude looking for a Japanese wife to produce the next Koxinga and Takeshi Kaneshiro. Candidates must have samurai ancestry, child-bearing hips, say "Sugoi!" every other sentence, and willing to begin a race of mixed super-Asians.

JA's need not apply. Shit, I'm desperate. OK, JA's can apply.

wuwei
Apr 21st, 2007, 09:02 AM
I really dont have anything to add to this, my views on Taiwan are pretty much what you would expect them to be. just wanted to say hi to Maogirl.

so hi!

Lum
Apr 21st, 2007, 09:42 AM
it's kind of funny, i used to say i have aboriginal blood but i stopped because i look so han chinese and i have no knowledge of any aboriginal customs or language anyway, that it felt like those gweilos who are like "i'm 1/16th cherokee" or whatever.

funny, though, i met this mixed taiwanese gweilo dude who grew up in taipei the other day, and he was like, "you have GOT to have aboriginal blood, look at your nose!"


Maaan I'm so jealous of the Native Americans, they got the best slurs for annoying white dudes:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pretendian

And I'm so sick of all these self-appointed experts on bone structure. Everywhere I go people are like "you have a very Nordic forehead, yet your jawline is somewhat Japanese bla bla bla.." Yeah, and my cranium is very STFU!!

Sorry OT.

Hadouken
May 3rd, 2007, 07:30 PM
Taiwan is Chinese. I'm not advocating reunification NOW or anything like that. It's just that differences in politics in the last 50 years do not automatically invalidate thousands of years of shared history and culture. Most Chinese I know happily accept the people of Taiwan as their brothers and sisters. It's the people in Taiwan who seem to want to disassociate themselves from the mainland. Perhaps it's out of fear that by admitting shared cultures, they run the risk of giving up their independence.

ZhuBaJie
May 4th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Taiwan is Chinese. I'm not advocating reunification NOW or anything like that. It's just that differences in politics in the last 50 years do not automatically invalidate thousands of years of shared history and culture. Most Chinese I know happily accept the people of Taiwan as their brothers and sisters. It's the people in Taiwan who seem to want to disassociate themselves from the mainland. Perhaps it's out of fear that by admitting shared cultures, they run the risk of giving up their independence.

i'm pro-reunification, but the "shared history and culture" is more like hundreds of years, not thousands.