Sartorialist Suit Photos

[Dialectic]

Couldn't find the original thread so I'm starting a new one.

Now don't get me wrong; I am loving the Sartorialist and would never question his fashion judgment, as I have come to appreciate his masterful eye and my nigh-infinite inferiority in this respect.

http://www.thesartorialist.blogspot.com/

I'm just wondering: in all his photos of men in suits, does anyone else find that the suits look a little too tightly-fitted? I understand either 1) I might be wrong, or 2) this is a deliberate choice, but I just find it kind of unattractive.

Thin pants and sleeves, fine, but I've noticed in a few photos (including the latest one, "Brown in Milan"; see also "The Right Amount of Cuff" and "The Italian Movie Star") that a lot of the time, when the vest or suit jacket is buttoned up, it doesn't look like it fits properly; the little folks/wrinkles indicate to me that the buttons are struggling a bit to stay there, and this is fashionable?

I admit I'm not very down with this, but I am willing to be convinced of its sweetness on further discussion.

[blockthebox]

No, I don't think most of the suits are too tight. The problem is that most guys wear suits that are too big and ill-fitted so that when you see someone who wears one fitted (or even a little snug), it looks too tight. You're right that there shouldn't be any tugging from the buttons. My guess is that a lot of the creases/wrinkles are from sitting too.

So, in my ever so humble opinion, Brown Milan's suit looks like it fits ok, Right Amount of Cuff's is maybe a little too snug, Italian Movie Star's is ok too but borderline (no gelatto for you tonight!). My rule of thumb is that anything you wear should fit when standing up straight and tall without too much pulling/tugging.

A few pics from his site of suits I think fit nicely:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/1600/Vaccaties.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/1600/BlkIndianHat.0.jpg

[Dialectic]

Asian dude there looks okay, and I guess rasta man's would if his hands weren't behind his back. *sigh* I'm such a damn peasant.

I totally agree that most North Americans wear big ill-fitted things; when me and Lopes picked up a couple suits in Japan, they were the thin Asian style and they looked terrific. When you're just standing there and you have the stuff buttoned up properly, though, I don't think there should be noticeable creases at all, which is why I'm skeptical about Brown, Cuff, and Star, but it could just be the various poses, or perhaps sitting too much. I have decided I love this stuff though I will never wear anything close to what is on that blog. Lopan will.

[blockthebox]

I have decided I love this stuff though I will never wear anything close to what is on that blog. Lopan will.

Haha, I don't know about that ... the fact that you even started a thread about this shows what a closeted dandy you are! Embrace your inner fop!

[JadeDragon]

Or it could be just the way that the the buttonholes are stitched. They tend to be a little stiff on new(-ish) suits, especially if they're bespoke, and will gradually loosen over time with wear. So these guys could just be wearing nice new suits. I don't really detect any noticeable lumps on any of the three D pointed out except for the "Italian Movie Star" guy, who may have a bit of a paunch, as his trousers look a little tight at the waistband. "Cuff" should just tuck his shirt in more neatly, and "Brown's" waistcoat adds a little bulk to his torso but he's nicely trim.

[Dialectic]

I don't even know what bespoke is! It occurs to me that due to this handy-dandy internet I could look up, but I will leave that for another day.

I am a fop, really, deep down. It's strange; Lopan seems so much more foppish on the surface, but recoils every time me or EG try to caress his thigh ....

[howstrange]

It's funny, in Socal, whenever I see someone dressed as such I automatically think tourist, and am usually correct.. lolz.

.. and damn, thems skinny people can look good in anything, arg.

[JadeDragon]

I don't even know what bespoke is! It occurs to me that due to this handy-dandy internet I could look up, but I will leave that for another day.

"Bespoke" just means "custom-made" in tailor-speak. Lazy bum. :P

I am a fop, really, deep down. It's strange; Lopan seems so much more foppish on the surface, but recoils every time me or EG try to caress his thigh ....

Because you'll wrinkle his outfit!

[Dirac]

JadeDragon wrote:

Dialectic wrote:
I am a fop, really, deep down. It's strange; Lopan seems so much more foppish on the surface, but recoils every time me or EG try to caress his thigh ....


Because you'll wrinkle his outfit!

Ha ha!

I think a lot of the suits are Italian style so they don't have any vents at the side or the back, which may be why they look unusually tight. Oh, some more suit material and a bit of self promotion because my sister works at this company 8-) : www.hackett.co.uk

Last time I came home my dad had half the clothes hanging in his wardrobe - my sister gets a discount :)

[toml]

If you want to learn more about suits and the industry, check out this blog:
http://www.englishcut.com/

[Justin]

I didnt see any links to other Fashion blogs from around the world on that one so if you go to this one that features Mexico, you can go down the list and get access to more. My favorites are all the blogs in China, Mexico, Barcelona, and Sao Paulo.

http://ststyle.blogspot.com/

[maogirl]

sorry about resurrecting an ancient thread, but...my brother's exgf is in the sartorialist!!

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1914/yellowskrtva5.jpg

isn't she pretty? she's malaysian chinese and i forgive that she's a model because she's real cool. she's a devout buddhist, wakes up 5 am every morning to say mantras for 2 hours and stuff.

sigh...i can't believe my brother couldn't commit. fool.

[VeryAngry]

isn't she pretty? she's malaysian chinese and i forgive that she's a model because she's real cool. she's a devout buddhist, wakes up 5 am every morning to say mantras for 2 hours and stuff.

sigh...i can't believe my brother couldn't commit. fool.

Nothing says "crazy" more than this. :eek:
I hope I am wrong.

[VeryAngry]

Or it could be just the way that the the buttonholes are stitched. They tend....

I know that if upon skimming through this thread my eyes read that word as "buttholes" that I have a severe problem. I'm not even going to say how I read "stitched".

Time to quit surfing for pornos cold turkey.

[maogirl]

Nothing says "crazy" more than this. :eek:
I hope I am wrong.

wow, can your jealousy be any more obvious, VDangry? can those grapes be more sour? i can read your mind right now: "i'm too much of a tiny-dicked loser to get a chick like that, so i'm going to come up with some retarded, useless comment 'cause i'm a faggot."

yes, it's true that no matter how many PUA tips you get, a girl that hot would pay more attention to dog shit on the street than your sorry ass.

i have no advice for you except go kill yourself.

seriously, no one will miss you and you'll help the environment by reducing waste. everyone already ignores you on this forum. you should be thrilled that i'm actually responding to you. hey, look! a chick noticed you!

and i'm sure your response is gonna be "lol" or somethign like that. you're like those little homo bitches in high school whose only response to being bullied is laughing with their bullies like the faggot cowards you are.

[VeryAngry]

Hey look, a chick noticed me! I can kill myself happy now.

LOL!

*Dies laughing*

[JadeDragon]

Hey look, a chick noticed me! I can kill myself happy now.

LOL!

*Dies laughing*

and i'm sure your response is gonna be "lol" or somethign like that. you're like those little homo bitches in high school whose only response to being bullied is laughing with their bullies like the faggot cowards you are.

I know you were trying to be self-deprecating or something, VA, but man, you came off looking like a foo'.

MG, she is gorgeous! I only wish I had her devotion when it comes to mantras. Too many things in my head for me to concentrate.

[VeryAngry]

I'm just not taking the whole thing seriously. I'm quite secure and confident of all my shortcomings or saving graces, thank you.

But mantras? Mantras? Are you guys serious? If I told you right now that I spend six hours every day channeling long distance Reiki to all the people in the world, would that make me less of an idiot?

I don't think so. The shit's fake and a con!

I mean come on. Think about. Sure I believe that religion and stuff has uses. I'm sure that all that chanting serves a purpose, although I don't know exactly what. Practising discipline, maybe. What purpose does all that chanting serve anyway? If you chanted for two hours every weekend or something, then it might be something that I could understand. But every day? What does a person gain out of that? If you practiced Gung Fu for two hours every day every morning, you would be able to kick the asses of three crackers at a time. If you used that sort of time to practice and hone your Qi, you would gain enough powers to boil water with your hands. With regards to chanting mantras, is there anything quantitative about the benefits?

More than half the population of Asia have beliefs more rooted in superstition than in science! Praying to gods for lottery numbers, going to mediums to cure cancer, looking to monks for answers to life problems, what the f*ck? It's time for all of that to end.

Here's the thing, you're all like, seriously smart people here. What possible appeal could that sort of thing have for you? Don't you trust in the power of your intellect and reasoning abilities to answer all, and I mean ALL questions? Think about when Buddhism was "invented". A few thousand years ago! You don't feel that any of its tenets have grown stale? Now look at all the discourses and schools of thoughts that have come in the last 100 years alone. Isn't the new stuff much fresher, and also more alive?

Has anybody read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion)? I had to wait up til now for somebody to write something like this, but it's high time.

[VeryAngry]

MG, she is gorgeous! I only wish I had her devotion when it comes to mantras. Too many things in my head for me to concentrate.

Doesn't matter. You still look hotter than she does anyway.

[minbo]

Taking some amount of time regularly to center the mind can be healthy mentally and emotionally. You can do that with meditation, prayer, chanting, executing a kata, cruising around empty roads in the dead of night with the mind on autopilot, walking around in the rain, spacing out on a lawn next to a lake... Of course you can do all those things and not be centering your mind. Anyway if the lady gets positive mental benefit by chanting mantras, then more power to her, regardless of her beliefs. If she is just going through the motions and not getting any benefit, then sucks to be her, but that's something that you really can't pass judgment over the Internet of someone you've never met or interacted with in any way beside oggle her photo..

[VeryAngry]

I didn't ogle her photo, ok? I don't respond to her particular look, but before anybody jumps in to maul me, let me say that I'm sure that she's a very beautiful person inside and outside.

Ok, so maybe my remark was flippant. I thought that because we were talking about an EX here, it would be okay to say stuff like that. I SHIT YOU NOT guys, every woman I have ever met who has been very big into religion have been total nutcases. I thought that maybe some of you might share the experience. Maybe I should have been more sensitive.

Taking some amount of time regularly to center the mind can be healthy mentally and emotionally. You can do that with meditation, prayer, chanting, executing a kata, cruising around empty roads in the dead of night with the mind on autopilot, walking around in the rain, spacing out on a lawn next to a lake... Of course you can do all those things and not be centering your mind. Anyway if the lady gets positive mental benefit by chanting mantras, then more power to her, regardless of her beliefs.

The fact that she chants the mantras in the morning, as opposed to in the evenings makes me suspect that it's not about centering the mind, though. More like a dealing with life and positivity kind of thing. Seriously, wouldn't Tai Chi or Gung Fu be better for that purpose? You get to breathe in lots of fresh morning air.

With regards to centering the mind, then shouldn't you get better and better at it so that you would take less and less time? So maybe you would chant mantras for two hours every morning, and then you get better at centering your mind and focusing or something, I dunno, so you take half an hour next time, to the point where you can SNAP! your fingers and your mind is centered? Think about how powerful that would be. I can relate to that.

Or is this something like that "Big Girls Don't Cry" song where Fergie sings about needing her space to be with herself and center, clarity, peace, serenity.... god, I'll never understand all that hippie stuff.

[minbo]

Sorry, I was not trying to jump down your throat, still am not, but have you got no 'nads man? I'll admit that I ogled the photo, even though she is not "my type" at all!

I'm a hard core agnostic with atheistic leanings. Whenever I talk to extremely religious folks, I come away thinking that they are a little fruity and off their rocker. While religion and blind faith in religion does nothing for me, I do accept that religion and extreme devoutness to religion can be of benefit to others. I accept that while I do not agree with a lot of religious teachings or religious tenets, that does not make these thing invalid, especially to people of different situations than I. Indeed a lot of good philosophical reflection has come from religion that is applicable to the world outside of religion. The same can be said for art and music.

If people get mental peace by chanting mantras for two hours every morning and think that it will help them move up the chain of reincarnation, bully for them.

If I go to the gym every day for one to two hours, get mental peace, physically fit and think that it will help me live a longer, healthier and more fruitful life, then bully for me.

Religion us one of those things that I personally accept that "we will just have to agree to disagree" and leave it alone without disrespecting anyone's world views.

[maogirl]

I'm just not taking the whole thing seriously. I'm quite secure and confident of all my shortcomings or saving graces, thank you.

so you know you're a retard and you're happy with that? your mom should've swallowed.


Here's the thing, you're all like, seriously smart people here. What possible appeal could that sort of thing have for you?

exactly, there's a minimum IQ requirement for buddhism and you obviously don't pass.

I didn't ogle her photo, ok?

so you're admitting that you are indeed homolicious? i bet they called you faggook in highschool and everytime you heard that, you giggled like a bitch, like you were all thrilled and "hee hee! LOL!"

did you spend a lot of time hanging out in the boys' locker room hoping that they'd run a train on your ass? i guess that's why you immediately thought of porn after "butthole" -- you love getting reamed up the ass, don't you, huh, homoslice?


and i'm sure your response is gonna be "lol" or somethign like that. you're like those little homo bitches in high school whose only response to being bullied is laughing with their bullies like the faggot cowards you are.

Hey look, a chick noticed me! I can kill myself happy now.

LOL!

*Dies laughing*

thanks for pwning yourself, faggook. go on and do another LOL post, come on, you fucking homo. do it!

[VeryAngry]

Man minbo, you make very good points that I can't disagree with at all. O_o

You're right. I have seen firsthand how religions help people in some cases.

I'm just dreadfully fearful that the fundamental flaws and shortcomings of religion (that most people are happy to ignore or gloss over, I might add) can be a very detrimental and destructive force.

I dont believe that people should ever take it for granted that just because they are following a system, what they are doing is "right" or "good". Everytime I see a religious person, I wonder if he or she is aware of these flaws.

[VeryAngry]

Maogirl, I love it when you talk dirty. :D

[evil_FUX]

I'm just dreadfully fearful that the fundamental flaws and shortcomings of religion (that most people are happy to ignore or gloss over, I might add) can be a very detrimental and destructive force.

I dont believe that people should ever take it for granted that just because they are following a system, what they are doing is "right" or "good". Everytime I see a religious person, I wonder if he or she is aware of these flaws.

It's called, being human.

Anyways, that chick's definitely looking good.

[.vhg//ALITA]

I SHIT YOU NOT guys, every woman I have ever met who has been very big into religion have been total nutcases. I thought that maybe some of you might share the experience. Maybe I should have been more sensitive.

So what makes her a nutcase too? You're no fucking better than the guys that think every Asian woman is a sellout. Every time there's news of another successful hot Asian/AsAm woman there's always something wrong with her ain't there?

I dont believe that people should ever take it for granted that just because they are following a system, what they are doing is "right" or "good". Everytime I see a religious person, I wonder if he or she is aware of these flaws.

So what if they're not following a "system" because it's "right" or "morally good" but because it makes them feel more secure about themselves? I don't think that waking up at 5 a.m. and chanting mantras for two hours every morning is following any sort of "system" or "rule" that she HAS to abide by. This isn't something anyone would do day after day because they HAVE to do it.

There are religiously devoted people who are total nutcases out there, and there are those that, while religious, also understand that thing called "common sense" and "respect for others' beliefs." Just because there are a few nutcases out there who misinterpret religion and use it to justify crimes or war doesn't mean that every religious person turns their religion into a cult out there to rule over all.

I think it's fucking sad that you think her being a hot intelligent woman that chants Buddhist mantras every morning automatically makes her a crazy religious nut.

The fact that she chants the mantras in the morning, as opposed to in the evenings makes me suspect that it's not about centering the mind, though. More like a dealing with life and positivity kind of thing. Seriously, wouldn't Tai Chi or Gung Fu be better for that purpose? You get to breathe in lots of fresh morning air.

If she wants to chant mantras in the morning and it works for centering her mind, then more power to her. You can't tell someone their morning routine doesn't work just because they don't get any fucking fresh air.

I wanted to say something else but hunger and a mixture of caffeine and sugar are making me dizzy and sick.

[jaehwan]

MG:

Your brother's ex is beautiful.

I have no idea what VA is talking about. He gets all hot and horny over the sex toys and ugly chicks on APB's website, but he pulls the sour grapes when he sees a woman of quality. Some guys I'll never understand...


Has anybody read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion)? I had to wait up til now for somebody to write something like this, but it's high time.

I actually have read that, and I know it well. In the book itself, Richard Dawkins clearly states that his book ISN'T about Buddhism and probably not about any of the other non-monotheistic religions either.

I know that my effort is probably wasted on you, but here it is, page 37 of The God Delusion, in the words of Dawkins himself:

And I shall not be concerned at all with other religions such as Buddhism or Confucianism. Indeed, there is something to be said for treating these not as religions at all but as ethical systems or philosophies of life.

Dawkins doesn't even consider Buddhism a religion; he sees it as a way of life. His standard of morality is based on whether one's actions hurt another person, which, if you examine the Eightfold Path, is pretty much the essence of proper Buddhist behavior. So really he not only doesn't condemn Buddhism, but in a way he promotes it.

So...no. I don't think the ideas are "stale," and in fact I think the world would be a much better place if people lived more according to the Buddha's principles.

[Dirac]

Wow, can't believe your brother's ex is in the Sartorialist! I noticed her picture before and actually wrote down what she was wearing to try myself, although my legs are about half the length of hers.

[maogirl]

Maogirl, I love it when you talk dirty. :D

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2031/funnayclippywb2.jpg

oh, VeryAngay, you really just keep pwning yourself. no one is laughing with you. they are all laughing at you.

MG:

Your brother's ex is beautiful.

I have no idea what VA is talking about. He gets all hot and horny over the sex toys and ugly chicks on APB's website, but he pulls the sour grapes when he sees a woman of quality. Some guys I'll never understand...


oh, it's very easy to understand. he's a faggot. he likes things up his ass and the manimal chicks whose penises asiangayboy pulls.


Wow, can't believe your brother's ex is in the Sartorialist! I noticed her picture before and actually wrote down what she was wearing to try myself, although my legs are about half the length of hers.

dude! i do something like that when i see looks that i like! i sketch them out and stuff. do you read non-no? i don't know what happened because it was so vanilla in the 90s, but they're doing great editorials lately. i love the features they do like "15 different looks with a pair of jeans" or whatever. and i die for their "choose the right dress for your body type" features. i love that all their models are regular girls and each girl represents a different, realistic body type.

[Dialectic]

That's a great photo, and a cool outfit!

I'll go into the background of this more in a future feature, but I think that whereas Christianity, Judaism, and Islam came out of a "mythic membership" (pre-rational) worldview, Buddhism came out of a "mythic-rational" one (which still had mythic overtones, and hence all the miraculous stories you find in it, but which also applied reason to its fundamental beliefs), which makes it a more stable and palatable religion in our informational (post-post-modern) world.

I used to sit a half-hour of zazen every morning before work; I did this for a year, but it got to be too exhausting. Half the time I was just fighting sleep! I plan to re-integrate the practice in my life at some point in the future.

[VeryAngry]

So what makes her a nutcase too? You're no fucking better than the guys that think every Asian woman is a sellout. Every time there's news of another successful hot Asian/AsAm woman there's always something wrong with her ain't there?

What the hell??? This must be like, the very first negative remark I've made about a woman here. (Correct me if I am wrong!) Isn't the extrapolation a bit much? :confused:


There are religiously devoted people who are total nutcases out there, and there are those that, while religious, also understand that thing called "common sense" and "respect for others' beliefs." Just because there are a few nutcases out there who misinterpret religion and use it to justify crimes or war doesn't mean that every religious person turns their religion into a cult out there to rule over all.

And what do the soldiers and the criminals who do all the massacres and other truly unspeakable crimes at the behest of their leaders believe in? Hmmm?

I think it's fucking sad that you think her being a hot intelligent woman that chants Buddhist mantras every morning automatically makes her a crazy religious nut.

So maybe she's not crazy! It's not like I've completely discounted that possibility or something.

MG:

Your brother's ex is beautiful.

I have no idea what VA is talking about. He gets all hot and horny over the sex toys and ugly chicks on APB's website, but he pulls the sour grapes when he sees a woman of quality. Some guys I'll never understand...

It's not sour grapes. She just does not arouse me in any manner whatsoever. If I saw her, I would not look at her twice. If she said "Hi" to me for any reason possible on earth up to and including "Hi, excuse me you're stepping on my fucking foot" I would probably stare blankly at her and reply, "Erm, yeah. Hi." in a wooden manner. I might be ogling her friend's tits. You're not one of those guys that believes in Newsweeks (or whatevers) "Universal Standards of Beauty" thing, are you? :confused:

I actually have read that, and I know it well. In the book itself, Richard Dawkins clearly states that his book ISN'T about Buddhism and probably not about any of the other non-monotheistic religions either.

I know that my effort is probably wasted on you, but here it is, page 37 of The God Delusion, in the words of Dawkins himself:

Dawkins doesn't even consider Buddhism a religion; he sees it as a way of life. His standard of morality is based on whether one's actions hurt another person, which, if you examine the Eightfold Path, is pretty much the essence of proper Buddhist behavior. So really he not only doesn't condemn Buddhism, but in a way he promotes it.

So...no. I don't think the ideas are "stale," and in fact I think the world would be a much better place if people lived more according to the Buddha's principles.

Ok, you got me there regarding Dawkins and Buddhism. (Fuck!)

[VeryAngry]

Oh Maogirl, you have hurt my feelings deeply.

NOT.

[VeryAngry]

I used to sit a half-hour of zazen every morning before work; I did this for a year, but it got to be too exhausting. Half the time I was just fighting sleep! I plan to re-integrate the practice in my life at some point in the future.

But why did you do it? :confused:

Would you also have attempted two hour sessions?

[.vhg//ALITA]

And what do the soldiers and the criminals who do all the massacres and other truly unspeakable crimes at the behest of their leaders believe in? Hmmm?

And where does it say Buddhists are crazy religious nuts? If anything I've seen more Christians and Catholics use the Bible for extremist and racist ideas rather than Buddhists.

Look, my beef with you is that you seem to think just because there is some person with a routine that involves some sort of religion that this makes a person a religious nutcase. And in your case you think religious nutcases = people who will go so far as to kill others who aren't the same religion. Yeah there are lots of stories in history where people do unspeakable things in the name of religion, but that doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON IN THE WORLD who has some kind of daily religious routine is crazy and going to massacre an entire group of people just because they think it's right according to some religious text or other (that is probably easily misinterpreted for their personal gain of power anyway).

Why can't you just accept that not all religious devout people are crazy?

So maybe she's not crazy! It's not like I've completely discounted that possibility or something.

And like what was said earlier, why does waking up every morning at 5 a.m. to chant mantras for two hours make someone a "religious nutcase" HMMM?

If that's what brings her mental peace, then let her be and don't automatically assume she's crazy. You can't fucking judge someone's sanity just by their daily routine.

I might be ogling her friend's tits. You're not one of those guys that believes in Newsweeks (or whatevers) "Universal Standards of Beauty" thing, are you? :confused:

Nice to know that your standards of beauty are based on tits. You're just an ignorant assfuck that I can't fucking stand because you're more judgemental than a gossipy "HAY GURLFRIEND" sorority girl.

[Dirac]

Maogirl, is non-no a magazine or a website, and do you know if it's available in Taiwan? Thanks ^__^

I love reading the Sartorialist because, although I'm not a very artistic person, it makes me pay more attention to what other people are wearing, colours, little details - I like it. Fashion is like artwork that's available to everyone! I'm going to India next year, wow that is a feast for the eyes - colours everywhere!

[VeryAngry]

Why can't you just accept that not all religious devout people are crazy?

And like what was said earlier, why does waking up every morning at 5 a.m. to chant mantras for two hours make someone a "religious nutcase" HMMM?


Why can't I accept that?

It's because I have seen how people (as a whole) actually practises Buddhism. It is not all good. The function of a temple or monastery in a society is primarily to attach the illusion of virtue to it, as opposed to actually fostering it. I have seen this first hand. What do you know about the lives of monks, the running of temples, and the people that believe in this way of life itself? What do you know of what they say and do? What do you know about the side of values that people are never allowed to discuss, bring up, or even see? What do you know about Buddhism as it is practised in regions where millions believe in it? I have been made cynical.

If you would like me to retract my statement regarding the worth of that model's pursuits then I do so freely. I don't know her, and I'm not so rigid to cling to trivial ideas like those.

Nice to know that your standards of beauty are based on tits. You're just an ignorant assfuck that I can't fucking stand because you're more judgemental than a gossipy "HAY GURLFRIEND" sorority girl.

If making that association enables you to dislike me more, then go ahead and do it, girlfriend.

[.vhg//ALITA]

Why can't I accept that?

It's because I have seen how people (as a whole) actually practises Buddhism. It is not all good. The function of a temple or monastery in a society is primarily to attach the illusion of virtue to it, as opposed to actually fostering it. I have seen this first hand. What do you know about the lives of monks, the running of temples, and the people that believe in this way of life itself? What do you know of what they say and do? What do you know about the side of values that people are never allowed to discuss, bring up, or even see? What do you know about Buddhism as it is practised in regions where millions believe in it? I have been made cynical.

I'll give you this, but I think that if you're cynical about Buddhism then you should be cynical about every major religion that is practiced by millions of people (Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Islam). You're going to be one lonely, single pathetic cynic in a world full of crazies, lemme tell you.

If you would like me to retract my statement regarding the worth of that model's pursuits then I do so freely. I don't know her, and I'm not so rigid to cling to trivial ideas like those.

That's what I was trying to fucking tell you this entire time. Did it take you THIS long to finally admit maybe she's not crazy just because she's Buddhist? And then you went on and on saying that every person who is a devout member of some and some religion is crazy.

Are all the leaders of any church, mosque, or temple crazy? I'm sure there are some (I mean...look at what happened involving the Catholic priests and kids...) but that doesn't mean that every single one of them is crazy. You're saying that religion makes someone crazy and irrational, and what you SHOULD be saying is that you don't like the idea of people governed by something we don't know is true, but you're not going to judge someone based on what they believe in or how they practice it.

Oh wait you don't know how to be open and neutral on topics like religion and how people practice it. You're an ignorant judgemental douchebag that likes opening his asshole to everyone on this forum so we can rape you up the ass for your pathetic excuses for stupidity and ignorance.

One of my coworkers (a devout Korean-American Catholic) pointed out that while he believes Catholicism is the true path and that he would like others to feel the same way, he's not going to force Catholicism on people. Just by doing good deeds and being a good person through Catholicism he hopes people will see the path that way. It's those types of people that I see that give me hope for this fucked-up world - while everyone has their point and everyone wants to prove their point they're not going to force their religion down someone's throat.

If making that association enables you to dislike me more, then go ahead and do it, girlfriend.

Stop trying to fucking laugh with the world and understand that you're the butt of the joke, dumbass.

[VeryAngry]

Hey Alita, you know what? You're quite accurate on so many counts. More than I would have admitted myself.

I AM cynical about every major religion in the world, and not just that, but also all the minor and all the secret ones as well. You're also absolutely right that it has made me more lonely. I don't think you know how much it has cost me to tell a woman that I don't believe in the ideals she does. It didn't matter how much I would have cared for her, as it would if only I had the same fallible and easily broken ideals she had.

IF ONLY I HAD LIED. Like every other man.

That is me. Honest, or more accurately, filled with pride and hubris to the very end. If that is how it will be, then let it be so. I have no regrets.

You are absolutely right in that I don't know how to be "open" and "neutral" to things like religion, and many other topics. I've simply never been shown the level of neutrality and respect for individual opinions that you have been raised in and taken for granted. I guarantee you, if you mention "freedom of speech" to me right now, I would have no idea what you are talking about. All I would know is the weakness of my political opinion, how it would be best suppressed and CRUSHED under an iron fist, how my own life would be forfeit if a superior would fancy it so. I take all of this for granted, and I DEFY it. I say the things I cannot because my sanity would be forfeit or else.

So... maybe, this looks like a simple insult to you. I spoke sooner than I could reason. I didn't even imagine that this thread was more about swanky clothes and nice colors and maogirl's brother's girlfriend until she ripped me a new one.

Before all of this, the only thing I felt was the memory of all the women that I could never connect with fully because of the things they believed in. I remembered all those beautiful women that wanted to believe in Jesus Christ more than they trusted to believe in me. Me, that was fed on the same moral diet. I remember all the women that believed in Gautama Buddha more than they would have believe in his most fervent disciple.

I laugh today.

I wonder, is a man able to maintain INTELLECTUAL HONESTY the same moment he says he believes in an idea like Christianity or Buddhism? Newborn Christians like to tell people about the number of devout believers they have in the sciences, but as far as I have known, all of the latter have always maintained a very strict separation between their science and their beliefs.

I wonder. The moment you say that you believe in the religious ideal, and say that you would like to learn more.... Would you also be able to question and criticise what you have learned without being penalised or cut off?

[VeryAngry]

And AS FOR PATHETIC.....

I will find the answers I have been looking for all my life. Either that, or I die first. The latter would be no loss.

Some ideals are never meant to be achieved. Those truths are merely meant to be strived for. This is something I will never regret.

[jaehwan]

Hey Alita, you know what? You're quite accurate on so many counts. More than I would have admitted myself.

I AM cynical about every major religion in the world, and not just that, but also all the minor and all the secret ones as well. You're also absolutely right that it has made me more lonely. I don't think you know how much it has cost me to tell a woman that I don't believe in the ideals she does. It didn't matter how much I would have cared for her, as it would if only I had the same fallible and easily broken ideals she had. That is me. Honest, or more accurately, filled with pride and hubris to the very end. If that is how it will be, then let it be so.

You are absolutely right in that I don't know how to be "open" and "neutral" to things like religion, and many other topics. I've simply never been shown the level of neutrality and respect for individual opinions that you have been raised in and taken for granted. I guarantee you, if you mention "freedom of speech" to me right now, I would have no idea what you are talking about. All I would know is the weakness of my political opinion, how it would be best suppressed and CRUSHED under an iron fist, how my own life would be forfeit if a superior would fancy it so. I take all of this for granted, and I DEFY it. I say the things I cannot because my sanity would be forfeit or else.

So... maybe, this looks like a simple insult to you. I spoke sooner than I could reason. I didn't even imagine that this thread was more about swanky clothes and nice colors and maogirl's brother's girlfriend until she ripped me a new one.

Before all of this, the only thing I felt was the memory of all the women that I could never connect with fully because of the things they believed in. I remembered all those beautiful women that wanted to believe in Jesus Christ more than they trusted to believe in me. Me, that was fed on the same moral diet. I remember all the women that believed in Gautama Buddha more than they would have believe in his most fervent disciple.


All those women, so little time, a life positively destroyed by cynicism.

It's times like this that make me wish that the F44s had sound effects. If so, I would play the mournful sound of a 4 piece string quartet with the sad sound of a violin crying in the night...

[VeryAngry]

Not destroyed, but enhanced by the cynicism.

The only quartets you need to worry about are the ones playing at your own funeral, old chap.

This is our time now.

[evil_FUX]

BLAH BLAH BLAH, let's get back to talking about fashion.

[Makulita]

... I have a love/hate relationship with emo jeans.

:(

[DONKEY]

dickeys jeans are cool i get them from the supermarket 16 dollars
they come in many colors but my fav are black and white. just one fit thats all you need.
guys who wear girls jeans are thinking too hard and should leave 2004 behind

[maogirl]

Oh Maogirl, you have hurt my feelings deeply.

NOT.

oh, wow. you are a witticism machine. i think you forgot to add "party time! excellent!" garth.

i wasn't trying to hurt your feelings, homolicious. you ARE a faggot, after all. the only tears involved here are the ones in your asshole.


Maogirl, is non-no a magazine or a website, and do you know if it's available in Taiwan? Thanks ^__^


non-no is a bi-weekly magazine, there's men's and women's versions. i see it in taipei all the time, i believe 7-11 carries it. worst case scenario, nip into starbucks and read their copies.

it makes me wish i could read japanese, but even just looking at the pictures is really helpful. they seriously cover all the bases...hair, accessories, makeup...they really make you rethink what you can do with even just a scarf.

oh man, another one of my favourite features is that they make all the models (there are about 6 regular ones) wear the same item and shows how each body type translates the look differently and how you can enhance the look accordign to your body type. love it.

[VeryAngry]

It's true that I am homolicious. That's a small side effect of being ridiculously good looking. :D

[JadeDragon]

VA, you know that's not what she meant. Stop baiting other posters. This is your first warning.

[VeryAngry]

Yikes! Ok, thanks for the warning. I will go back and edit my post. :o

[maogirl]

It's true that I am homolicious. That's a small side effect of being ridiculously good looking. :D

i see that someone told you (or maybe you read it in a forum somewhere since you obviously don't have real life friends) that the best way to deal with being picked on is to roll with the punches and use humour to get people on your side.

the problem, you see, is that you need a minimum amount of wit and intelligence and charm to pull that shit off, and sadly, veryangay, you have none of those attributes.

you think you're being clever and funny but in fact, everyone just thinks you're lame. no one sympathizes with you because people get embarrassed when they see someone trying way too hard.

here's a tip: who you really are bleeds through even past a screen name and on the internet. so no matter how much you might try to play it off, it's obvious to everyone that in real life, you have no social skills. you're desperate to be liked and you're insecure. sure, you can deny it, but we can all sense it simply from your terrible comic timing, your flat jokes, your miserable attempts at being self-effacing.

i'm sure deep down somewhere you realize that everyone on this forum clowns on you, even the other retards. and yet you, like timmyhos, keep coming back for more. it's just beyond embarrassing now. don't you guys have friends and other social groups that want you? oops, obviously not.

you keep losing, homo. just give it up. there is nothing you can say to this that will vindicate you in any way.

[VeryAngry]

Last I checked, being homosexual is a normal gender identity and a legitimate lifestyle choice. When did it become an insult? Am I supposed to take your long-winded tirades for anything more than a lowbrow sense of humor and *gasp*, trying hard? :D

You amuse me, Maogirl. :D

[maogirl]

HAHAHAH!!

oh man, you keep exposing yourself like a cheap streetcorner hooker...it's really awesome.

[VeryAngry]

That turns you on, doesn't it?

[maogirl]

haha, keep going!

everyone wants to see how much more you can embarrass yourself!

[.vhg//ALITA]

this is like a bad train wreck. VDangry's embarrassing himself so much it hurts to read BUT I CAN'T STOP READING IT.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/funny-pictures-curious-cat.jpg

you're starting to turn into this poor fellow. let's hope this turns into a learning experience for you too (apparently it hasn't sunk into your thick skull though).

[evil_FUX]

BLAH BLAH BLAH, Fashion BITCHES!

So what's the love/hate relationship with emo jeans Makulita?

[Lum]

I noticed quite a lot of pegged-pants in this blog, to the point I expected to see some when I got back to NY. Well, now that I'm here I haven't actually seen anyone sporting this look. Good thing too, because I didn't bring any safety-pins.

Granted about half my time is spent in Queens, but as always New Yorkers just look like...New Yorkers. Sooo nice to get a break from snowboarder hip-hop though. Nothing screams suburbanite like yet another fucking backwards baseball hat. Ugh.

Fashion, bitches.

[evil_FUX]

What does a typical New Yorker look like?

[Lum]

What does a typical New Yorker look like?

Funny thing about that. It's tough to pin down, yet I feel like I can spot one a mile off. You do see an awful lot of those black wool coat/scarf/jeans combos in crisp weather though. That look never seems to die here. And a lot of down jackets on the high schoolers this time of year. I've had a lot of friends visit for their first time expecting to see fashion whores at every turn. They always seem to forget how many people are just schlepping it to and from work.

I think the real difference is all these people shopping at places like Modell's or whatever. If you live out in suburbia or middle-America, choices are often limited to places like the Gap and Old Navy.

It occurs to me how west-coast inspired Alaska is, too. Lots of Billabong and skater-wear. Don't see much of that here, except on the tourists. And finally there's old folks from Connecticut. Very Wal-Mart-ish.

I remember when I first moved to AK I met a friend of a friend. He had a plain black duffel bag with a tiny spot of red spray-paint on it which I said looked 'very Manhattan'. Turned out he was from the upper west side.

Everyone has a look. It's unavoidable.

[Makulita]

... Haha, I stopped reading after the clusterfuck with mg and VA.

:( My love/hate relationship with emo jeans is because I like the sleek look it gives, but I know chicks with chicken legs are the ones who wear them and achieve that sleek look better. Not that it matters because I can get the same look but with wide legged pants.

Fashion, BITCHES!

[nightshade]

We haven't discussed fashion in this thread for ages...and this isn't necessarily fashion related, though it is Sartorialist-related:

http://thecatorialist.blogspot.com/