The first race Survivor episode

[Jessica]

All I have to say is: the Asians won the first contest; and there are these two really hot Asian guys who I hope leave their shirts off for the rest of the show. :wink: Finally, guys that aren't some walking borderline feminine sterotype.

[Charlie]

The Asians are the strongest team there and they should win a lot of challenges. It's fun to actually see Asians working together for a change. When they do need to vote someone off, the nail salon guy should go. Everything he says is about race (or at least that's how the producers show him).

[Catatonic]

The "cowboy," I have to admit is a bit kooky and his initial statement about how the other groups wouldn't expect a "bunch of small, slanty-eyed people" to win was a bit condescending.

But I wouldn't be so quick to say that he should be the first to go - he did live in the jungles of Vietnam so he does have some survival skills that the "well-educated Asian-Americans" don't have (after all, he did "cure" that guy's migraine - great, America is know going to think we Asians all have secret powers of healing).

It was interesting to note that one of the AAFs remarked about how the Asian tribe was also made up of different ethnicities (something that no one in the Hispanic tribe brought up).

It was also interesting to note that when the 2 black guys (as members of the losing team) picked a member of an opponent group to send to "exile island" - they seemed to be picking btwn the male members of the white and Hispanic tribe - totally overlooking the Asian males.

As far as anyone/any group "reinforcing" stereotypes - the black tribe seemed overly argumentative; the big black guy came across badly; a WF came across as a total flake; the jock WM and one of the WFs already seemed to pair up as the "Ken" and "Barbie"; as stated before, the "cowboy" Asian guy played up the "mystic, oriental arts" - but then again, he pointed out that he didn't fit in with the rest of the Asian tribe since he was a hippie and not a member of the "model minority"; and the women (the black and white females) came across as passive/letting the male members of their tribe make the decisions.

Anyhow - the Asian tribe kicked butt.

[General Grievous]

We're headed for an all Asian sweep. Also, I haven't heard Asianphiles lusting after Becky or Jenny like I thought they would, but the show is still young.
The black team sent a white member to Exile Island. :D

[Pat the Great]

apparently even survivor is going to be banking on the model minority.

http://www.gambling911.com/Survivor-Cook-Islands-Race-082906.html

[lycheng]

Do you guys read Television Without Pity forums? If not, you should 'cause there are some pretty interesting posts there. I'm just lurking there.

Here are some examples.

On Cao Boi:
I have to say I'm automatically a fan of Nate and Cao Boi, because they find the entire divide-by-race thing fundamentally hilarious.

Heh, Cao Boi? Great name, and I was right there with him when he said he didn't fit the Vietnamese stereotype -- right up until the instant when they revealed that he's a nail salon manager. :D

On the White tribe:
The main thing I thought about the racial divisions is that it really showed how BORING we white people are. Everyone I like is non-white. The white folk? Eh.

And did I hear right, or did one of the girls on the Caucasian team yell "Go Whitey!" WTF???

On Yul and Asian eye candy:
Speaking of "social experiments," I'm trying to decide if it says anything about me that, as a white girl, I have the least use for the boring idiots on the white team and am hoping my Asian eyecandy doesn't get voted off anytime soon. Maybe I've been subtly influenced by all them Japanese cartoons? The irony being, of course, that none of the Asian team are from Japan. Which could lead into scary "all look the same" territory...

I just think Yul is hot because he looks vaguely like Daniel Dae Kim from "Lost".

On Hispanic team:
Some of the Hispanic team looks like they could pass for the caucasian team.

Anyway, here's the link (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showforum=682). BTW, when they use the abbreviation "AA", they mean African Americans. For Asian Americans, they just call us Asians. Although I'm tempted to say it's because of the Perpetual Foreigner stereotype, I don't think that's the case here. It's probably because they wanted to avoid using "Black".

lycheng

[kwak76]

I don't watch TV and not planning on watching survivor. However, if the asian team work well and the asian guys break stereotype . This may help at least slightly for the asian stereotypes out there.

[monkey king]

Cao boi is a tool. I hate fuckers like him that love to play up the Mr. Miyagi bit. Too bad, I had high hopes for him from reading his profile. That dumbass actually took his fingers and slanted his eyes. Then that shit about how we Asians are so small and weak and how he doesn't fit stereotypes, riiiggghhhhtt. First of all the other two AM's look buff and tight, Cao boi's the only small weak ass looking one, second, he might not fit the stereotypes, but he sure likes to keep spouting them.
Anyway, the Black team was handicapped from the start. They got three girly girls, one average guy, and one fat lazy ass. Look at the other teams in comparison and it looks like they wanmted to hamstring the black team from the start.

[nskripchun]

The black team sent a white member to Exile Island. :D

I thought that was funny too... serves the guy right for stealing the Asian guy's chicken!

Even more hilarious was the girl's accident that set the chickens free... hahahaha.

[DONKEY]

i never got to watch this program but if its a contest to survive wild life they should allow non-Americans to enter. take ppl from tropical climates to the arctic and vice versa.
i bet a gay dude will win it again.

[Catatonic]

The peace-loving people over at Stormfront are b!tchin about how the white team was set to lose from the start (by the "jew" producers) - it's quite hilarious how they ripped on the white team - nothing but a useless frat boy, cheerleader, flaky girl, etc.

They actually seem to have begrudging respect for the Asian-Am team and they are puzzled why the Hispanic team is basically white and not like the "little brown people they see washing dishes in restaurants or mowing lawns."

I won't even get into what they say about the black team.

This commentary, btw, is hilarious.

ASIAN POP
The Tribe Has Spoken
- By Jeff Yang, Special to SF Gate

Gathering his own tribe of Asian American observers for the premiere of "Survivor: Cook Island," Jeff Yang chronicles the debut of the reality show's racially segregated 13th season.

It's the classic dilemma of the culture critic. You know your chain's being yanked -- let's face it, Mark Burnett's been dragging all of America around by the neck for the last six years now -- but you still can't help but respond, because a) that's your job, and b) the chain-yanking itself, if extreme enough, is newsworthy by definition.

Which makes us totally complicit. Without the considerate flipping of our Zippos, masters of media manipulation like Burnett wouldn't be lighting their cigars with $100 bills. Heck, if Burnett just had a dollar for every time someone called reality television "crass" or "cynical"... Oh wait -- he does!

Nevertheless, here I am joining my peers in chiming in, once again, as Burnett unveils his latest made-for-controversy spectacle "Survivor: Race War," otherwise known as" Survivor 13: Cook Island."

Burnett's decision to divide up this season's contestants by race has generated the show its greatest attention in its 12-year history, with politicians calling for its boycott ("It could be lawbreaking," said Queens City Councilman John Liu, a vocal opponent of the show. "What if someone white would like to compete on the so-called 'black team' and vice versa?") and media advocates demanding that sponsors pull their support from a show that, with nary an episode yet aired, has been called "television apartheid" and a "new minstrelsy."

Interestingly, while most Asian Americans I pinged about the show acknowledged its exploitative aspects, there was also a sneaky, recurring theme, best illustrated by this remark from my L.A.-based friend Winston: "American TV audiences, and by extension, the media that covers it, enjoy a racial 'Battle of the Network Stars' -- witness FX's 'Black White' -- so I see this for what it is: a surefire controversy generator. If the competition gets physical, and I'm sure it will, even better for the ratings and media angle," he e-mailed me. "I just hope we kick ass."

"We" meaning the Asian Americans, of course: the Puka Puka tribe, made up of nail salon manager Anh-tuan "Cao Boi" Bui, real estate agent Jenny Guzon-Bae, fashion director Brad Virota, attorney Becky Lee and management consultant Yul Kwon.

Winston has a point: Sure, I had concerns about the troubling ethical issues surrounding the show, and the political cloud gradually settling over it ... but, truthfully, I kinda wanted to see these guys kick ass, too.

How often do Asian Americans get a chance to represent the race on a big stage anyway? Is this very different than rooting for the home team against everyone but the Houston Rockets, because that's my man Yao Ming's joint? And what if the concept behind the program weren't being executed by a giant media conglomerate but, say, a multicultural theater collective? Would people see it as race war, or performance art?

So despite my ambivalence, I did what thousands of other people were probably doing across the nation -- I assembled my local tribal council for a Cook Island premiere-watching party.

The cast: Freelance writer Ursula, television producer P.C. and her husband Eric, attorney Suyin and Web producer Anna Liza and her husband John. Plus, as play-by-play commentator and guest of honor, "Survivor: Thailand" contestant Shii-Ann Huang, also known by her nickname the "Shii Devil." All highly opinionated, observant -- and, of course, Asian American, with the exception of in-laws Eric and John, whom the council granted immunity for the purposes of the evening.

After sitting down to a painstakingly multicultural buffet of chow fun noodles, fajitas, fried chicken and Wonder Bread, we turned on the TV and got down to business. What follows are real-time highlights of a unique social experiment -- documenting what happens when smart, progressive Asian Americans are marooned in front of a television reality show for an hour, with nothing but beer and irony to sustain them.

Show opening credits roll. Miserable people in a boat, with Jeff Probst flabbering on about the solemn gravity of the contestants' situation.

The groupings of the castaways are announced, and various contestants express shock. Apparently, they weren't told in advance that teams were being segregated by race.

"Now they're going to introduce a special guest host," says Suyin. "Strom Thurmond, back from the dead."

"Did you see that? That white guy just grabbed the Asian guy's chicken," says Anna Liza.

"Don't worry, the chickens are going to come home to roost," I crack.

"Oh look, there's a shark," says P.C.

"Is it a white shark?" says Suyin.

Jeff Probst explains in greater detail the structure of the season's game, as the tribes are introduced one by one.

"Do you think Jeff Probst is rooting for the whites?" says Anna Liza.

"No, he's colorless," I say. "That Vietnamese guy's name is not pronounced 'cowboy' (Cao Boi). Oh wait, it is."

"I think I know Yul," says Suyin. "I'm pretty sure I lived next door to him a few years ago. I borrowed his Leatherman tool and never gave it back."

"Great, now the Asian American team is going to lose because Yul doesn't have his Leatherman," I say.

"I find it troubling that all South Asians are being represented in this show by a white chick named Parvati," says Suyin.

Shii-Ann makes her appearance, delayed by the storm and train issues.

"Oh God, it's started," says Shii-Ann. "I can't believe I'm watching this. I haven't seen the show since I've been on it, it's too traumatic. I still have sand flea scars all over my body from 'Survivor: All Stars' -- when I drink too much, they turn bright red. "

A commercial break begins and conversation turns to the advertisements.

"Hey, the show still has some sponsors," says Ursula. "A movie with Kevin Costner and Ashton Kutcher -- guess this one's for the Caucasian tribe."

"All the characters in this ad are white too: White lady, white kid -- ooh, he's holding a turkey leg. Guess that's dark meat," says Suyin.

"Radio Shack ad with black actor ... Oh look, Taco Bell," says Ursula.

Back to the program, where Shii-Ann is having flashbacks.

"You know, you're totally delirious by the time they interview you," she says. "Don't waste all your energy rowing, you idiots, it doesn't matter how fast you get there!"

Yul, the hunktastic Korean management consultant, comes on screen, talking about the "great opportunity" this show represents to get more minorities on TV.

"He's getting voted off," says Shii-Ann. "Too muscular. He's a threat."

"I have no problem with him being too muscular," says Suyin. "Look at Billy [on the Latino tribe] -- he's going soon. All of his teammates are secretly saying, 'I can't believe we gotta haul your ass to this island.'"

"No, they have to keep him around as a spare protein source," I say. "This Ozzy guy [on the Latino tribe] is too pretty to be a waiter. You know he's a waiter-actor."

"There are six professional actors this season," says Shii-Ann. "They've never had actors on before."

Onscreen, Ozzy suggests that the Latino team has the best chance of winning, "as long as we get fed, and keep ourselves happy" --

"And adequately waxed!" shouts John. "That white dude who stole the chicken, he's at a a disadvantage right away because he's the only man on the show with chest hair."

The show turns its attention to the Asian tribe.

"Look, Pinay in the house!" says Anna Liza, as Jenny Guzon-Bae makes her appearance. "She's going to have a problem here because Filipinos only eat things that come in cans. We think that means 'expensive.'"

Yul discusses the tribe's emerging issues with the much-older, and somewhat quirky, Cao Boi.

"I can't believe he's off eating by himself," says Shii-Ann. "People catch you doing that, they get really angry."

Cao Boi discusses how he feels different from his teammates, because he doesn't "fit the standard Asian American stereotype."

"Dude ... you own a nail salon!" says Suyin. "But then again, he does have this crazy hippie thing going on."

"He's going to be a target," says Shii-Ann. "Anyway, it's way too hot to have big hair in the tropics."

Over at the white tribe's island, the teammates are cracking coconuts to celebrate their arrival.

"I think it's interesting how each of the other tribes immediately has had to address the issue of stereotypes, and talks about 'representing' for their community, while the white team is here having a cocktail party," I say.

"That's because they're just 'people,'" says Suyin. "They don't have to deal with stereotypes."

"They're the only team that's not in survival mode right from the start. That's significant," says Ursula.

"They're retarded. You don't have a party, you try to start a damn fire," says Shii-Ann.

"Don't worry, they'll just take one of the minority fires," says Ursula.

"I can tell already that this show is going to be successful," says John. "Next season should just go ahead and do white supremacists versus Black Panthers."

"I think next season should be 'Survivor: LGBT,'" I say. "They've got to top this somehow. You know everyone's going to bet on the lesbian tribe."

"Yeah, but will there be a tribe for 'Curious'?" asks Suyin.

As the African American team begins constructing their shelter, conversation turns to the nature of racial identity.

"I don't think you can draw any sweeping generalizations about race based on these teams," says John.

"Well, they're not going to bring in an ethnic studies professor from Berkeley to discuss how race is a social construct," says Suyin.

"Do you think that if people use the 'n-word,' they'll show it?" says Ursula.

"They edit out comments if they're irrelevant," says Shii-Ann. "There were all kinds of things being said on my show. My tribe was 70 percent Southerners who'd never left their hometown. There were stupid comments being made about Mexicans. And I kept on getting statements like, 'Gee, you must know a lot about Thailand already, you're from Taiwan.' I was like, 'Hello! Geography? What the f-- am I supposed to know about Thailand?'"

Discussion slides over to Jeff Probst and Mark Burnett's statements that the season's novel structure is all about enhancing diversity.

"That's bull--," says Ursula. "They've never made any attempt to diversify. If they e-mailed an audition notice to one Asian American person, the next day, everyone in the whole community would be getting it."

"Most Asian Americans are too smart to go on this show," says Shii-Ann. "I just happened to be one of the dumb ones."

"Speaking from experience, it's actually really hard to cast for minorities for a program like this," says P.C., a veteran of multiple reality TV castings. "It takes longer, and a lot of the time, you're under the gun. You have three months to build a show. Even for me, I had a personal agenda to get more Asian people on my show, and you just never get as far as you want to go."

"But reality shows are where you're going to see the most Asian people on TV. 'Grey's Anatomy'? There's one Asian actor," points out Shii-Ann.

"Any hospital that doesn't have 50 percent Asian physicians and Filipino nurses is not a real hospital," offers Anna Liza.

"You have to think of it this way: Isn't it exciting that we're seeing a show with a 75 percent minority cast, on a major network?" says Shii-Ann.

"Hey, a stingray!" says Anna Liza.

"Did you know that ever since Crocodile Hunter was killed, there have been revenge killings of stingrays all around Australia?" says John.

The African American tribe is having trouble making fire.

"If only the Boy Scouts weren't so goddamn racist, I'm sure someone in this group would know how to make fire," says Suyin.

"It's not going to work -- the wood's too wet," says Shii-Ann. "They're going to have to get fire from Jeff Probst."

"Jeff Probst, the modern Prometheus," says Suyin.

The white team, having been too busy partying to build a shelter, is spooning and trying to stay warm.

"This guy Adam's going to have sex tonight," says Ursula. "You can totally see it in his eyes."

"They don't have a choice -- you have to sleep like that, it gets so cold at night," says Shii-Ann. "Should have saved the coconut fling for later, guys. ..."

"Serves you right, you entitled cracker jerks!" shouts John. "See, that's what people are saying all over the U.S. right now."

"Have they explained why that girl's name is Parvati yet?" asks Ursula.

"I think that looks like a little bit more than just warmth over there," says P.C., pointing out the canoodling between two of the Caucasian team's members.

Back to the Asian team, where Cao Boi is offering to cure Brad's "bad wind" headache.

"Is he threading that guys' brows?" asks Suyin, as Cao plucks at Brad's forehead. An angry red dot appears where Cao has been yanking.

"He just marked him," says Ursula.

"I think he opened up his third eye," I say.

After the successful curing of Brad's headache, Yul moderates his original opinion of Cao Boi as a "crazy kook."

"A crazy what?" I say, typing furiously.

Anna Liza snickers. "You totally thought he said 'gook.'"

Finally, Jeff Probst announces the centerpiece of the program: the immunity challenge.

"Jeff Probst hates his life," says Shii-Ann.

"What was he doing before he started hosting this show?" asks Suyin.

"Nothing. He had no life," says Shii-Ann.

The challenge involves putting together a "puzzle boat," rowing it out to a floating brazier and bringing fire back to an altar, which can only be ascended after another puzzle is completed.

"Oh, the puzzle boat," says Shii-Aann.

"Gotta go with the Asians on this one," says Ursula.

"Asians, come on! Why else are you playing all that Minesweeper on your Blackberries?" says Suyin. "They might as well just make the immunity challenge a set of SAT questions."

The Asians come in second on the boat assembly and paddling part of the race. Now comes the final puzzle, and possible victory.

"This is the Rubik's Cube part of the challenge, so we're going to win this," says Anna Liza.

"That guy Yul is like, 'I have a PowerPoint that addresses this situation,'" says Suyin.

Asians win, with Latinos just behind. There's much hooting, hollering and celebrating among the unexpectedly engrossed members of our audience.

"We rule the world!" shouts Suyin.

"Oh no, now it's whites versus blacks for last place," says Shii-Ann.

"This is so wrong," says Anna Liza.

"I can just see the blogs tomorrow," says Shii-Ann. "This is so bad."

"I can't watch anymore," says Suyin. "Even if I didn't have anything else to do, I'd pretend I had something else to do."

Nevertheless, we watch until the end, mesmerized. The African American team, as losers of the challenge, must vote off one of their own. However, they also get to "exile" one member of another tribe to a solitary island -- and pick the chicken-stealing guy from the white team -- even citing it as the reason for their choice. (What did I tell you? Karma's a bitch, dude.)

Over dessert, "Survivor" guilt sets in. My friends discuss their concern that this gathering, though tongue-in-cheek and surrounded with real and interesting discussion around the issues raised by the show, is being replicated across the country -- possibly with less irony and self-awareness. "I think the worst thing about the show isn't what's happening onscreen, it's what's happening to us," says Ursula. "Cheering for our race to win, yay! It's kind of ugly."

"But it's hard to say it's not good TV," says P.C. "You can't help but gravitate towards this. I know that I'm always rooting for the one Asian person on 'The Apprentice.'"

"Even if her skirt's too short," says Ursula.

"Until she starts acting all crazy and becomes an embarrassment, then I'm totally rooting for her to get kicked off," amends P.C.

"The thing is, here we are having a talk about identity and race, and for that reason alone, I think this should be on TV," says Shii-Ann. "Yeah, it has some real problems with it, and if all the people of one race get voted off early, there'll be a big uproar, but it's better than just ignoring race and pretending we're all one big happy family with no problems. The racists are going to be racist whether this show exists or not. Do you think people came out of 'Crash' saying, 'Oh my God, I never realized, there are race issues in America"?"

Good point. And with that, our tribal council disbanded. As Shii-Ann prepared to leave, she thanked me for organizing the party. "It was a lot of fun," she said. "But I'm not going to forgive you for one thing: You got me hooked on the damn show again. Now I feel like I have to watch the rest of this stupid season."

This story has been changed since its original posting. -- Ed

[ellencho]

So I watched last night. Puka (asians) and Raro (white folks) tied for first place in the challenge. The Latino team lost, but they got to choose who went to exile island and they picked Yul probably because he's one of the more physically intimidating members of the asian team. But they're so dumb because they picked the smartest guy to go over to exile island and while on the island Yul found the hidden immunity idol.

The Latino team threw the challenge because they wanted to boot a lazy member of their team, but I think if they had actually tried in the challenge the black team would have gotten last place.

And most of the members of the Puka team actually seem pretty socially and politically aware and aware of the cameras. They were chastizing Cao Boi for making his asian stereotype jokes saying that even though they get the jokes, they don't think it's a good thing for others who wouldn't understand them to hear them because it'll just reinforce negative stereotypes.

[General Grievous]

Jeff eyes popped out of his head when Billy said "candice loves me".
He then interviewed the whole the tribe about the love connection.
Most of the Hispanic tribe members was holding back laughter.
Why would a hot white woman want this big fat fool?

[minbo]

For his personality?

[ellencho]

Jeff eyes popped out of his head when Billy said "candice loves me".
He then interviewed the whole the tribe about the love connection.
Most of the Hispanic tribe members was holding back laughter.
Why would a hot white woman want this big fat fool?
I know, wtf? I'm about to paraphrase and all, but what I saw was Billy telling the white survivors that he's about to get the boot, and then that one white girl said "we love you" and he said back to her "i love you".

[nskripchun]

So I watched last night. Puka (asians) and Raro (white folks) tied for first place in the challenge. The Latino team lost, but they got to choose who went to exile island and they picked Yul probably because he's one of the more physically intimidating members of the asian team. But they're so dumb because they picked the smartest guy to go over to exile island and while on the island Yul found the hidden immunity idol.

The Latino team threw the challenge because they wanted to boot a lazy member of their team, but I think if they had actually tried in the challenge the black team would have gotten last place.

And most of the members of the Puka team actually seem pretty socially and politically aware and aware of the cameras. They were chastizing Cao Boi for making his asian stereotype jokes saying that even though they get the jokes, they don't think it's a good thing for others who wouldn't understand them to hear them because it'll just reinforce negative stereotypes.

Asian tribe is kicking ass... which definitely makes me think that the other tribes are gonna start gunning for them now.

Watching Yul figure out where the immunity idol was buried was pretty cool too. Go Stanford man.

[whosyourdaddy]

MadTV Parody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRBSMhVTQu0&mode=related&search=

[whosyourdaddy]

YouTube showing the Asians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL8efc0SOHk


What do you think of cowboy?

[BoondockSaints]

Wow, the stereotypes are in full swing. Black team underachieves and portrayed as lazy and unable to build a fire in ep.1. Then in ep. 2, they show them all happy and giddy because they finally mastered the easy task of making a fire with a flint. To make it even worse, the black team is all happy getting third place where the losing team purposely threw the mission.

The thing that kind of irks me is that the black team was handicapped to begin with. They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

White team shown to be shady by stealing Asian team's chicken.

Meanwhile, the Asian team are all overachievers who work well together and kick ass. Yul gets sent to exile island and immediately finds the immunity idol

Cao-Boi is getting really annoying with his constant chatter and repetitive racist jokes. Yes, some people say we must learn to take a joke but if it was a black member telling N$gg^$ jokes, then you can see the problem. Plus they would be somewhat endurable, if they weren't really corny as hell.

[Catatonic]

In the white tribe - fratboy and cheerleader seem more interested in hooking up than anything else.

His rant on why building a floor was a waste of time showed what an ignorant tool he was. (The quickest way to lose body heat at night is to sleep on the ground - a floor made of bamboo would make a big diff.).

It's funny how the white team so far seems like a bunch of spoiled brats.

The WM (who gets sent off to Exile Island) doesn't do much to try to find the immunity idol (which Yul finds in a couple of hours) and when he gets back, he b!tches about the rest of tribe having done nothing.

[lycheng]

The thing that kind of irks me is that, the black team was handicapped to begin with. They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

Yeah, that kind of annoys me too. Chubby people have gone far in Survivor, but usually there are fit members in the tribe who balance it out. But in this case, most of the people on the tribe were overweight.

I don't know much about Reality TV show casting, but I'm sure all aspects of casting were discussed in detail by the producers, especially given the racial nature of this season.

I'm a long time fan of Survivor, so I'm going to watch no matter what. But I do wonder about casting decisions....

lycheng

[BoondockSaints]

I also heard (non- confirmed) that Brad, the other Asian dude, hooks up with JP later on.

[Catatonic]

They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

I wouldn't say that the BFs are semi-chubby (maybe by "white" standards).

[monkey king]

They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

I wouldn't say that the BFs are semi-chubby (maybe by "white" standards).They don't look very athletic at all. In fact, I agree that the Black team was handicapped from the start. Three out of shape women, one fat ass, and one normal guy. They look far worse than the other teams by far.

[Catatonic]

They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

I wouldn't say that the BFs are semi-chubby (maybe by "white" standards).They don't look very athletic at all.

They may or may not be athletic - but their body-types wouldn't be considered "chubby" by a large segment of the black community.

After all, the 2 AAFs on the show would be considered "chubby" by Asian standards (in Asia).

[monkey king]

They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

I wouldn't say that the BFs are semi-chubby (maybe by "white" standards).They don't look very athletic at all.

They may or may not be athletic - but their body-types wouldn't be considered "chubby" by a large segment of the black community.

After all, the 2 AAFs on the show would be considered "chubby" by Asian standards (in Asia).The Black community may or may not consider those women chubby, I don't know but I do know they look out of shape and generally unathletic. the Filipina, definitely chubby. The Kor-Am girl, eh, fairly standard but she does have an athletic background.
If I were the Hispanic team, I would have sent one of the Black women to exile island to further demoralize them and to thus ensure that they continue to lose thereby guaranteeing my team a spot in the top three. Bad strategy overall on their part.
Anyone remember the Survivor that Shi-an was originally on? Her team was kicking ass and had won several challenges in a row and then threw a challenge to get rid of an annoying member only to suffer loss after loss. If you recall, they never recovered. They should have kept Billie, it'll haunt them later.

[BoondockSaints]

They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

I wouldn't say that the BFs are semi-chubby (maybe by "white" standards).They don't look very athletic at all.

They may or may not be athletic - but their body-types wouldn't be considered "chubby" by a large segment of the black community.

After all, the 2 AAFs on the show would be considered "chubby" by Asian standards (in Asia).

Not necessarily chubby, but in comparison to the other teams, they are unathletic. In addition, this gets heightened because the first two challenges emphasized speed. The two Asian dudes are very athletic. In fact, everyone looks pretty athletic except the two fat dudes and perhaps the middle aged white dude. The black team was handicapped to begin with. They had the fattest guy on the island and 3 unathletic woman.

Also, the Asians definitely had the most academically accomplished group.

[monkey king]

They have 3 semi- chubby chicks and 1 really fat dude (plus 1 normal dude). They could have definitely gotten more athletic competitors.

I wouldn't say that the BFs are semi-chubby (maybe by "white" standards).They don't look very athletic at all.

They may or may not be athletic - but their body-types wouldn't be considered "chubby" by a large segment of the black community.

After all, the 2 AAFs on the show would be considered "chubby" by Asian standards (in Asia).

Not necessarily chubby, but in comparison to the other teams, they are unathletic. In addition, this gets heightened because the first two challenges emphasized speed. The two Asian dudes are very athletic. In fact, everyone looks pretty athletic except the two fat dudes and perhaps the middle aged white dude. The black team was handicapped to begin with. They had the fattest guy on the island and 3 unathletic woman.

Also, the Asians definitely had the most academically accomplished group.I have a hard time believing they couldn't have come up with a more athletically diverse Black team. They could easily have found one or two women who look like they do more than walk to their cars everyday. In the past the Black men have been a fairly good range of flab to fab, the first Survivor had Gervais who was a YMCA basketball coach but he couldn't swim. There were two really big and buff guys, one tanked out mentally and quit, the other was on a suck-ass tribe and got voted off. There was Teddy who was a big fat ass but had a ton of muscle under it all. The Black guy last season was fairly athletic for being a little older. Then they go and get the fattest laziest ass off all and stick him with three flabby chicks. The one normal looking Black guy has got to have looked at his tribe and thought, "what the hell, this is so wrong!" I feel really funny about the set-up.

[lycheng]

^^ Yeah, they have had athletic Black Americans on Survivor in previous seasons.

Here's something to think about. What if the producers made a decision to cast less athletic looking Blacks because they were well represented in previous seasons? In other words, because Asian Americans weren't well represented compared to other minorities, they decided to cast the A-team. Same goes with the Hispanic tribe; they seemed well balanced athletic-wise.

Would you support an affirmative action of sorts that benefits Asian Americans on Reality Shows like Survivor?

lycheng

[Fandango]

Who is this Boondock Saints? What are you complaining about the black team for? Handicapped from the start? Man, please. Survivor has had super atheletic black guys on Survivor before. They either gave up, were lazy, or couldn't swim. There was also an asian dude on there before who was incredibly fit. He couldn't even handle walking on a log beam. What the fuck? A muscular body doesn't mean shit necessarily.

The black team has a fit black dude and 3 determined women. I wouldn't underestimate them. Just because they look "chubby", doesn't mean they can't handle the physical challenges.

Are people thinking the blacks are at a disadvantage because the asian team is doing so well in the first 2 episodes they've shown so far? What, do you think that lowly of asians after all the brainwashing by the Hollywood media telling you that asian guys are nerdy effeminate gay wimps? Must be a shock to a lot of audience members to see an asian guy with a muscular body and smarts who can speak english without subtitles. After all, asian men are pretty much absent from shows that would showcase looks and smarts. Think I'm exaggerating? List 3 shows. I can name a dozen shows showcasing good looking and smart white dudes.

Anyways, the black team is gonna do well. They have the determination, smarts, and physical attributes. There have only been 2 episodes so far. Every season shows one group that's off to a slow start.

When it comes to the latino team, I thought it was a good strategy to throw the challenge on purpose. Billy, the delusional "headbanger", wasn't doing his share of the work, yet he was consuming a good amount of the results of other people's efforts. The latino team has one less mouth to feed which means more energy for them. It is messed up that they don't have a George Lopez type of dude on the team. Watch, the latino team will probably get 1st or 2nd in the next challenge.

The asian team is representing, that's for sure. Amazing how Yul figured out where the immunity thing was. Yet they won't write up a character like him on E.R. Cao Boi is interesting to watch, but despite his claims to not fitting into the stereotypes, he IS a walking stereotype. As others have pointed out, Cao Boi is a skinny ass motherfucker. Has a hairdo and facial do like Pao Mei from Kill Bill or some other kung fu flick. He talks with an accent. He gladly spreads anti-asian jokes and seems unaware that there are others (non-asians) who are already doing that type of job fine without him. Then last but not least, he's associated witha a nail salon. He seems to not get that he IS the stereotype. At least to non-asians. When he was spouting off that he doesn't fit the stereotypes, whose view of stereotypes was he talking about? I have nothing against nail salons or accents, but when you say you don't fit the "stereotypes" when two of the stereotypes whites think of when they think asian is "nail salon" and "accents", then what the hell are you talking about?

As for the rest of the asian team, they're doing great. I don't get why the Filipina girl ain't hot lookin like the girls on the white or latino team. I KNOW there are a ton of hot lookin athletic filipina girls out there. But then again, this does help save televisions out there from getting jammed up with baby batter produced by all the asiaphiles who tune in.

[BoondockSaints]

Who is this Boondock Saints? What are you complaining about the black team for? Handicapped from the start? Man, please. Survivor has had super atheletic black guys on Survivor before. They either gave up, were lazy, or couldn't swim. There was also an asian dude on there before who was incredibly fit. He couldn't even handle walking on a log beam. What the fuck? A muscular body doesn't mean shit necessarily.

The black team has a fit black dude and 3 determined women. I wouldn't underestimate them. Just because they look "chubby", doesn't mean they can't handle the physical challenges.


It is obvious from the challenges that the black team is not that athletic... and we are not talking about prior seasons of Survivor. We are talking about this one because it is unique- it is the first season where each tribe is divided by race and that has strong social implications. A lot of white supremacy websites have already advocated watching the show. What I don't want to see is a white person winning or and the black team doing poorly and then some douchebags will go, "See, I told you white people are superior/black people are inferior, etc.."

It also doesn't seem like the black woman are particularly mentally strong. They just allowed the black men to take over much of the decision making when they had to decide who would be sent to exile island.

[jaehwan]

It is obvious from the chalenges that the black team is not that athletic... and we are not talking about prior seasons of Survivor. We are talking about this one because it is unique- it is the first season where each tribe is divided by race and that has strong social implications. A lot of white supremacy websites have already advocated watching the show. What I don't want to see is a white person winning or and the black team doing poorly and then some douchebags will go, "See, I told you white people are superior/black people are inferior, etc.."

It also doesn't seem like the black woman are particularly mentally strong. They just allowed the black men to take over much of the decision making when they had to decide who would be sent to exile island.

I'd have to agree with Fandango here--I don't see where you're coming from. The black team has three very strong black woman and a black man who is pretty athletic. I've never been on a white supremacist website so I can't confirm or deny what you're saying, but I can say that it's a stupid argument to say that black people are inferior based on some TV show. I think most people would agree.

The black team lost the first challenge because they made some mistakes in assembling the boat. They lost the second in part because they were psychologically affected by the first loss. I was happy for them that they didn't lose again, regardless of what the Hispanic tribe was doing. The black team is going to do fine because they have strong players. I think you're fishing to find something negative to complain about.

I don't think I've weighed in on this show yet, but it's starting to bother me that so many Asian American people (even people I admire like Councilman John Liu) are being so negative on this show. This show is great. It's the most diverse show in the history of American television. How often do you get to see so many people of so many different races on an American TV show? You make it sound like it's a white supremacist conspiracy against minorities. It isn't. If it were, you would see major discrepancies in the teams, but for the most part, all teams have the same body types (except for Yul, who seems to be unusually athletic by any standards.).

[monkey king]

I'm not sure what connection Fandango is making between Boondock's assessment of the Black tribe and how well the Asian tribe is doing. You really need to take a rabies shot and chill out. The Asian tribe is doing well because they are a strong, well-balanced team with both athletic and non-athletic people. The Black tribe is doing poorly because with the exception of one member, they're all flabby and out of shape, especially in comparison to ALL the OTHER tribes. I don't care how determined the women seem, they are obviously slow and out of shape, this will kill them in the future. They almost lost the second challenge despite the Hispanic team doing their best to throw it not because they were demoralized but because they couldn't get their flabby slow asses through the obstacle course.
And no, being buff doesn't mean being athletic and capable in the challenges, but it probably is an advantage over having 15lbs of buttery fat on your ass. The Black team looks like they were picked to lose unlike the other teams that seem to have a good balance of fit and unfit. The women were also submissive to the men in the beginning and I don't think they'll be able to get their shit together.
As for voting off Billie, big mistake. Go back to the Survivor with Xian and see what happened to her uber-tribe. They lost to the old folks by employing the same strategy. You need every member (dead weight or not) when you merge.

[BoondockSaints]

I'd have to agree with Fandango here--I don't see where you're coming from. The black team has three very strong black woman and a black man who is pretty athletic. I've never been on a white supremacist website so I can't confirm or deny what you're saying, but I can say that it's a stupid argument to say that black people are inferior based on some TV show. I think most people would agree.


When did I ever claim that black people are inferior because of the show? I said the black team is inferior because the players are not as athletic or strong... and I don't want this to be exploited by asshole white supremacists.

[tkguy]

When cao boi talked about not fitting the stereotype, he's referring to the model minority stereotype.

[jaehwan]

I'd have to agree with Fandango here--I don't see where you're coming from. The black team has three very strong black woman and a black man who is pretty athletic. I've never been on a white supremacist website so I can't confirm or deny what you're saying, but I can say that it's a stupid argument to say that black people are inferior based on some TV show. I think most people would agree.


When did I ever claim that black people are inferior because of the show? I said the black team is inferior because the players are not as athletic or strong... and I don't want this to be exploited by asshole white supremacists.

When did I ever say that you said that black people are inferior? I was referring to the social implications made by the white supremacist websites which you reported. I was saying that it was a stupid argument, and I was implying that it shouldn't be taken seriously.

I just don't think that those black women as fat as some people on this board seem to think.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor13/show/ep01/photos/1/13.jpg

They're not thin, but they aren't fat. They just happen to be a little larger-boned. The Asian women on the Asian tribe aren't exactly bone thin either:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor13/show/ep01/photos/1/14.jpg

The women of both the Asian tribe and the black tribe have more powerful builds. If anything, I would think that the women of the black tribe would have an advantage over the women of the white tribe who are much thinner and less powerful.

A lot of it is psychological too. I'll be willing to bet that there is a very good chance that the Hispanic Tribe will lose the next challenge because they are angry at each other AND they lost the last challenge.

[lycheng]

I just don't think that those black women as fat as some people on this board seem to think.

They're not thin, but they aren't fat. They just happen to be a little larger-boned.

I see your point, Jaehwan.

A lot of it is psychological too.

That's true. Survivor is a physical, psycholgical and sociological game.

lycheng

[General Grievous]

Oh my God! They are going to merge the tribes. :shock:

Now we'll see if what the Asians will do. Will they run after whitey and vote out the Blacks and Latins? Or will they join forces with other minorities and get rid of whitey?

Personally, I don't think Asians will win like some of you think.
Why? Because white people know how to lie and deceive people more than any other race. Look what happened on Big Brother! Dr. Will and Mike Boggie destoryed all those fools in that house. And Mike Boggie won.

Danielle made a pact with Erica, who is white, but Erica turned against her and voted her out. Erica made a deal with her white brothers.


So you people keep underestimating the white tribe thinking that they are weak. You're going be really surprised.

The white folks are going to take out the blacks and next they are coming for the Latins. Lastly, the Asians are going down. And behold another white winner.

If anyone have any doubt that a white will win, I'll bet them $50.

[Catatonic]

When did I ever claim that black people are inferior because of the show? I said the black team is inferior because the players are not as athletic or strong... and I don't want this to be exploited by asshole white supremacists.

I don't think white supremacists are going to think that blacks are unathletic based on the black tribe.

However, I'm sure they already have proclaimed how blacks have less intelligence


If anyone have any doubt that a white will win, I'll bet them $50.

You do know that the Hispanic tribe is mostly made up of white Hispanics?

And we already saw evidence of their "treachery" (or at least, that of the males).

[BoondockSaints]

I'd have to agree with Fandango here--I don't see where you're coming from. The black team has three very strong black woman and a black man who is pretty athletic. I've never been on a white supremacist website so I can't confirm or deny what you're saying, but I can say that it's a stupid argument to say that black people are inferior based on some TV show. I think most people would agree.


When did I ever claim that black people are inferior because of the show? I said the black team is inferior because the players are not as athletic or strong... and I don't want this to be exploited by asshole white supremacists.I just don't think that those black women as fat as some people on this board seem to think.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor13/show/ep01/photos/1/13.jpg

They're not thin, but they aren't fat. They just happen to be a little larger-boned. The Asian women on the Asian tribe aren't exactly bone thin either:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor13/show/ep01/photos/1/14.jpg

The women of both the Asian tribe and the black tribe have more powerful builds. If anything, I would think that the women of the black tribe would have an advantage over the women of the white tribe who are much thinner and less powerful.

Well we can agree to disagree then. The women of the black tribe are not that athletic and it was pretty apparent when you saw their performances on the challenges. They are physically slow and this has been crucial so far in the game.

Check out the thunder thighs-

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor13/show/pgall.php?id=4&ep=02

[Ike]

I haven't seen Survivor, so I'm not making any judgments on those specific women. However, I will say that I play women's rugby, and my teammates are large, strong, and fast.

[General Grievous]

I haven't seen Survivor, so I'm not making any judgments on those specific women. However, I will say that I play women's rugby, and my teammates are large, strong, and fast.


What difference do this make now? I just told you there are no more tribes.
No more tribes!! It's all an individual game now. Since whites do not like blacks, they will be first to go follow by the Hispanics. Just like I told you before.

[monkey king]

I haven't seen Survivor, so I'm not making any judgments on those specific women. However, I will say that I play women's rugby, and my teammates are large, strong, and fast.


What difference do this make now? I just told you there are no more tribes.
No more tribes!! It's all an individual game now. Since whites do not like blacks, they will be first to go follow by the Hispanics. Just like I told you before.Shut up you hysterical ninny. The tribes are being merged into two tribes of 9.

[Meltfire Lightspear]

I apologize if the Black team seems fat, but Black people aren't built to be waspy-waisted and weighing all of 100 pounds like the Asian people are. Sorry to burst your bubble.

:lol:

[Tyger Durden]

I just don't think that those black women as fat as some people on this board seem to think...

They're not thin, but they aren't fat. They just happen to be a little larger-boned. The Asian women on the Asian tribe aren't exactly bone thin either...

The women of both the Asian tribe and the black tribe have more powerful builds. If anything, I would think that the women of the black tribe would have an advantage over the women of the white tribe who are much thinner and less powerful...

i have yet to see this show, but maybe having "powerful builds" and musculature is over-rated in this type of contest.

cardiovascular fitness (being in "shape") is a better way to measure/guage of athletic ability.

sure, some are making a big deal out of appearances and who seems to be in shape, but sometimes looks do tell a lot about the physical conditioning of a person...so...um...maybe they REALLY are fat and out of shape. There, i said it.

[General Grievous]

I hate to tell you that I told so. But I TOLD you so.

What did the Asians do first after the merge? Make an alliance with the whites just as I told you. And as a result a Latina was voted off. Why the hell didn't that CCB Becky make an alliance with the other groups?
This will be the down fall of the Asians. They keep on trusting crackers!

The other thing that I told you about the white girl coming on to the black guy. I was right again. But she did say that she'll flirt with all the guys.


Grievous is right again!!

[Catatonic]

Well - so much for the BFs being fat and out of shape.

In the latest challenge which was a test of strength and endurance (whereby it was a disadvantage to be a skinny 'lil white girl) - most of the women gave up before the BFs did.

The last female to be standing (and who gave her team a huge advantage) was one of the BFs.


I hate to tell you that I told so. But I TOLD you so.

What did the Asians do first after the merge? Make an alliance with the whites just as I told you. And as a result a Latina was voted off. Why the hell didn't that CCB Becky make an alliance with the other groups?

This will be the down fall of the Asians. They keep on trusting crackers!


Shut up!!! How can you say Becky is a "CCB" when she has allied herself closest with Yul?

Sure Yul and Becky allied themselves with the whites - that's b/c they had the nos. and the next strongest player (next to Yul).

And it remains to be seen whether the Asians in the other tribe ally themselves with the white members.


The other thing that I told you about the white girl coming on to the black guy. I was right again. But she did say that she'll flirt with all the guys.

Grievous is right again!!

Again? God - you are a ninny!


It's interesting to note that it was Cai Boi who had suggested voting Becky off (to the other faction) and yet, Yul was able to change Cai Boi's vote (who, in turn, heavily influenced the flaky WF).

[Meltfire Lightspear]

What did the Asians do first after the merge? Make an alliance with the whites just as I told you. And as a result a Latina was voted off. Why the hell didn't that CCB Becky make an alliance with the other groups?
This will be the down fall of the Asians. They keep on trusting crackers!


I knew that'd happen. To hell with the blacks, head straight for Whitey!

:\

[jaehwan]

Well - so much for the BFs being fat and out of shape.

In the latest challenge which was a test of strength and endurance (whereby it was a disadvantage to be a skinny 'lil white girl) - most of the women gave up before the BFs did.

The last female to be standing (and who gave her team a huge advantage) was one of the BFs.


Word.

People come up with hindsighted rationales all the time. They were never fat or out of shape; people just thought they were fat and out of shape because they happened to lose ONE challenge.

Well, I'm glad they won and proved themselves.

[General Grievous]

Well - so much for the BFs being fat and out of shape.

In the latest challenge which was a test of strength and endurance (whereby it was a disadvantage to be a skinny 'lil white girl) - most of the women gave up before the BFs did.

The last female to be standing (and who gave her team a huge advantage) was one of the BFs.


I hate to tell you that I told so. But I TOLD you so.

What did the Asians do first after the merge? Make an alliance with the whites just as I told you. And as a result a Latina was voted off. Why the hell didn't that CCB Becky make an alliance with the other groups?

This will be the down fall of the Asians. They keep on trusting crackers!


Shut up!!! How can you say Becky is a "CCB" when she has allied herself closest with Yul?

Sure Yul and Becky allied themselves with the whites - that's b/c they had the nos. and the next strongest player (next to Yul).

And it remains to be seen whether the Asians in the other tribe ally themselves with the white members.


The other thing that I told you about the white girl coming on to the black guy. I was right again. But she did say that she'll flirt with all the guys.

Grievous is right again!!

Again? God - you are a ninny!


It's interesting to note that it was Cai Boi who had suggested voting Becky off (to the other faction) and yet, Yul was able to change Cai Boi's vote (who, in turn, heavily influenced the flaky WF).


Oh Yeah! In time, the wm will get tired of Cai Boi and vote him out! He already dislike him. The whites the strongest players? An older WM and two WF is NOT the strongest players. Look again! Ninny right back at you. The Hispanic tribe never lost until they threw the challenge on the last show.
Becky time is also coming to end after they get rid of the strong BF. The HM should be worried because the hot Cecilia is gone. And by the way, Cecilia was a strong woman; she out worked Billy and was very valuable to her tribe. I don't think Candice or Flicka is very strong since they both gave up so easy.

[BoondockSaints]

The Black team lost the first challenge and barely survived the second challenge even though the Hispanic team was throwing it. Anywayz, that is a moot point now since the tribes are merged.

The white guy made a huge mistake picking Yul first. He should have picked Nate, the black guy, and then picked Yul because the other team could not pick Yul. Then he would have two buff guys on his team. Instead he has Cao-Boi.

[Catatonic]

The whites the strongest players? An older WM and two WF is NOT the strongest players. Look again! Ninny right back at you. The Hispanic tribe never lost until they threw the challenge on the last show.

Hey - doofus.

I'm talking about within the new tribes (which is a completely DIFF. scenario).

Yul/Becky had two choices - to ally with the white guy (who had the one WF in his pocket and thought he had the flaky WF) or to align themselves with Ozzy (and the crew he was trying to get together).

And it remains to be seen what Brian and the other AF do in the other tribe (since it seems that Brian is getting close to the Hispanic guy - your theory seems to have a major flaw).

The next step is to go after Ozzy and then take out the WM or the non-flaky WF.

[NoName]

Yul told Becky that he found the immunity idol. I have a feeling that she will sellout Yul.

[General Grievous]

Hey - doofus.

I'm talking about within the new tribes (which is a completely DIFF. scenario).

Yul/Becky had two choices - to ally with the white guy (who had the one WF in his pocket and thought he had the flaky WF) or to align themselves with Ozzy (and the crew he was trying to get together).




Look! If Yul and Beck had made a deal with the other races, their number would have overpowered the whites.
And now it look like the Hispanics will go down. I wouldn't trust Candice, Flicka or Jonathan. They made a deal with the devil at their own peril.

Becky didin't try to associate with the Hispanics or the BF. She went straight to the whites. Even Ozzy said himself that she didn't bother to get to know me. Maybe she don't like Hispanics or blacks and tried to make herself look good to the whites.

This is a clear indication to me that she's a CCB.

[BoondockSaints]

[quote]
Becky didin't try to associate with the Hispanics or the BF. She went straight to the whites. Even Ozzy said himself that she didn't bother to get to know me. Maybe she don't like Hispanics or blacks and tried to make herself look good to the whites.

This is a clear indication to me that she's a CCB.

LOL.. Dude that is being a little paranoid... There is no indication that she is a CCB. The reason, which she stated in interviews (check CBS site), was because she felt JP was the biggest threat. Thus, she wanted to weaken the Hispanic alliance and the general consensus was to take out either Cecilia or Ozzy.

Also, I think Yul is the man but he shouldn't have told Becky about the idol. She's gonna sell him out. He should have made a fake idol and replaced it in the idol box on the island.

[Catatonic]

Look! If Yul and Beck had made a deal with the other races, their number would have overpowered the whites.
And now it look like the Hispanics will go down. I wouldn't trust Candice, Flicka or Jonathan. They made a deal with the devil at their own peril.

Weren't you the one who said the Hispanic team (esp. JP) was the strongest?

So it would make sense to weaken the Hispanic team first before the 2 tribes merge. The flaky WF doesn't fit in with the whites - so they are already weakened. As I had stated - one of the other whites will be the next to go after Ozzy.


Becky didin't try to associate with the Hispanics or the BF. She went straight to the whites. Even Ozzy said himself that she didn't bother to get to know me. Maybe she don't like Hispanics or blacks and tried to make herself look good to the whites.

This is a clear indication to me that she's a CCB.

Dude - just b/c she talked to the WM doesn't mean she wants to sleep with him.




Also, I think Yul is the man but he shouldn't have told Becky about the idol. She's gonna sell him out. He should have made a fake idol and replaced it in the idol box on the island.

Yeah - Yul's one weakness may be that he is too "straight-up." He needs to get more devious if he wants to win this thing.

[nskripchun]

Cao Boi and Jonathan are too old and are a liability in physical challenges... the last challenge proved that. Poor Yul was trying to help Cao Boi keep up, but he couldn't do it.

But yeah... interesting how the Asians immediately make an alliance with the white folks. Hrmph.

[Tyger Durden]

Well - so much for the BFs being fat and out of shape.

In the latest challenge which was a test of strength and endurance (whereby it was a disadvantage to be a skinny 'lil white girl) - most of the women gave up before the BFs did.

The last female to be standing (and who gave her team a huge advantage) was one of the BFs...

the human body can convert fat storage into fuel. It wants to convert sugar and simple carbohydrates the fastest, but fat comes next easiest. I believe complex carbohydrates (protein) would come next and muscles last (catabolic state, bad for you) in terms of what the body uses for fuel.

obviously, some contestants have a more ample fuel supply than the others...and it shows from the photos submitted.

[kalbi]

The peace-loving people over at Stormfront are b!tchin about how the white team was set to lose from the start (by the "jew" producers) - it's quite hilarious how they ripped on the white team - nothing but a useless frat boy, cheerleader, flaky girl, etc.

They actually seem to have begrudging respect for the Asian-Am team and they are puzzled why the Hispanic team is basically white and not like the "little brown people they see washing dishes in restaurants or mowing lawns."

I won't even get into what they say about the black team.




I've browsed stormfront a few times, and a lot of those chickenheads actually DO admire Asians. Primarily Japan, because a lot of them are socially-maladjusted geeks that watch anime, etc. Sure, we are slant-eyed 'untermensch' - but we also have lots of cool cellphones, PDAs, computers, and cars. So they 'respect' us. Hilarious, isn't it. :lol:

[Catatonic]

The peace-loving people over at Stormfront are b!tchin about how the white team was set to lose from the start (by the "jew" producers) - it's quite hilarious how they ripped on the white team - nothing but a useless frat boy, cheerleader, flaky girl, etc.

They actually seem to have begrudging respect for the Asian-Am team and they are puzzled why the Hispanic team is basically white and not like the "little brown people they see washing dishes in restaurants or mowing lawns."

I won't even get into what they say about the black team.



I've browsed stormfront a few times, and a lot of those chickenheads actually DO admire Asians. Primarily Japan, because a lot of them are socially-maladjusted geeks that watch anime, etc. Sure, we are slant-eyed 'untermensch' - but we also have lots of cool cellphones, PDAs, computers, and cars. So they 'respect' us. Hilarious, isn't it. :lol:

I definitely wouldn't say "admire/respect" - after all, they proclaim that Asian countries would still be backwards if it hadn't been for the US (and other "white nations"); AMs are physically weaker; Asians only know how to copy what whites invent, etc.

To them - we're just colored people who aren't "mindless savages" like the blacks.

[Fandango]

Also, I think Yul is the man but he shouldn't have told Becky about the idol. She's gonna sell him out. He should have made a fake idol and replaced it in the idol box on the island.

Yeah - Yul's one weakness may be that he is too "straight-up." He needs to get more devious if he wants to win this thing.


Nah. I'd like to see Yul win without having to resort to WM tactics. Other Survivor winners have done it.

As for Becky, I don't think she's a CCB, but just ignorant.

[General Grievous]

Also, I think Yul is the man but he shouldn't have told Becky about the idol. She's gonna sell him out. He should have made a fake idol and replaced it in the idol box on the island.

Yeah - Yul's one weakness may be that he is too "straight-up." He needs to get more devious if he wants to win this thing.


Nah. I'd like to see Yul win without having to resort to WM tactics. Other Survivor winners have done it.

As for Becky, I don't think she's a CCB, but just ignorant.

The only thing that I like about Becky is that she's more modest than Shii Ann Hugan. Shii Ann was prading abound in a tiny pink bikini with her ass hanging out. Becky wore shorts and a yellow top to competitions. This disappoint Asianphiles who were lusting after Shii Ann.

As for Yul, everyone should hear what Jenna Morasca says about him on "Survivor Live" from CBS Innertube. She says that "Yul is too nice." And that he has to play with "deceit and backstabbing." if he wants to win.
She don't think Yul can do that.


I wouldn't trust any of the white team as far as I could throw them. Flicka maybe a flake but she listened to Jonthan and voted out the Latina, Cece.
If you watched passed Survivor shows, you'll see what happens to people who make alliance without judging the tribe members when they merge.
I still don't like how Becky made an alliance with the white tribe without knowing if they can be trusted. or not

[Tyger Durden]

The peace-loving people over at Stormfront are b!tchin about how the white team was set to lose from the start (by the "jew" producers) - it's quite hilarious how they ripped on the white team - nothing but a useless frat boy, cheerleader, flaky girl, etc.

They actually seem to have begrudging respect for the Asian-Am team and they are puzzled why the Hispanic team is basically white and not like the "little brown people they see washing dishes in restaurants or mowing lawns."

I won't even get into what they say about the black team....

I'm puzzled: why would Stormfront care about winning anything on a show with a format like Survivor?

wouldn't they say that the non-White winners used their "animal instincts" or their "baser natures" or something along the lines of "what did you expect, those _____ people that won are from the Jungle anyways" or "What did i tell you: they're really savages deep inside. No wonder they are successful in such an environment."

I really don't get why this show would be such a big deal to neo-Nazis and their Coloured counterparts. It isn't about surviving in Modern Civilization.

Or is that the whole point of the show: we already know what groups/ethnicities/cultures "wins" in Modern Civilization so let's have some fun on deserted Islands or something?

[Catatonic]

Yeah - Yul's one weakness may be that he is too "straight-up." He needs to get more devious if he wants to win this thing.

Nah. I'd like to see Yul win without having to resort to WM tactics. Other Survivor winners have done it.


I'm not saying that Yul should turn into a conniving backstabber - but thus far, he has been playing way too "straight" - leaving him vulnerable b/c people know exactly where he stands.

Granted, it's early and later on he may keep his strategy closer to his chest.



I wouldn't trust any of the white team as far as I could throw them. Flicka maybe a flake but she listened to Jonthan and voted out the Latina, Cece.
If you watched passed Survivor shows, you'll see what happens to people who make alliance without judging the tribe members when they merge.
I still don't like how Becky made an alliance with the white tribe without knowing if they can be trusted. or not

Are you just saying it just b/c they are white or b/c what they have shown of their character thus far.

Btw, it was Cai boi who ultimately convinced the flaky chick to vote out Cece (she wasn't going to listen to the white guy).

[toml]

I'm puzzled: why would Stormfront care about winning anything on a show with a format like Survivor?

what's actually interesting is that the Stormfront ppl had the same initial reactions as us. They figured that the producers would find a way to make their ppl (i.e. whites) look bad, while the other groups would look good.

Of course I'm sure that when blacks and latinos were talking about this, they must have said the same thing... "i bet they're going to make us look bad."

I'm tempted to go to CBS.com and watch it online but I think I'll wait until the very end and see what you guys are saying about it then.

[Dialectic]

Okay, honestly, this Stormfront shit has got to stop.

Whoever keeps checking out sites like that, even if it's "for fun," "to laugh at the honkies," etc., is still exhibiting some fucked up behaviour. Do something better with your life. If you must, cut out that site and this site too and stop looking through perma-racial lenses for a while, because it's stupid.

I haven't watched any of these Survivors, but would probably be very entertained if I did.

[toml]

^ but it's hard to stop though... it's like looking at a crash crash or train wreck... it's nasty and it's morbid... but ... I ... just ... can't ... look away....

[General Grievous]

What's with the Asian people?
First, Becky and Yul turned against Cao Boi.
Next, Brad just turned against Jenny by voting for her.
Damn! I thought the Asians were going to stick together and win this thing.
Now the whites have the only members that haven't been voted off.
I told you that Cao Boi was going to voted out, but people started ragging on me. So once again: I TOLD YOU SO.
Cao Boi wanted to to get rid of one of whites before the merge.
Stupid Becky and Yul stabbed him in the back.
And now Jenny received some votes.
Looks like I maybe right after all: a white person will win again!

[lycheng]

Stupid Becky and Yul stabbed him in the back.
And now Jenny received some votes.
Looks like I maybe right after all: a white person will win again!

Yes Beck and Yul voted against Cao Boi. But I wouldn't call that a stab in the back since they never had an aliance together. Cao Boi just assumed that Yul and Becky would go along because they were Asian. They never showed Yul or Becky saying there were going along with plan voodoo.

I think the real betrayal is Cao Boi saying "never trust Asians" in his exit interview.

lycheng

P.S. Let's not forget that it was Cao Boi who spewed out all those bad Asian jokes and annoyed his Asian teammates before the interracial merge.

[BoondockSaints]

I can't stand Adam! He is such a prick and not very bright to boot. Candice is pretty stupid to so obviously flirt with Adam at TC. They should get rid of Candice or Jonathan next. Otherwise, the white alliance will be too strong. I want Yul to win so I think he should just try to ally with Jonathan and Becky til the end.

[toml]

Stupid Becky and Yul stabbed him in the back.

Ok, after reading all about it here, I decided to watch some of the episodes online at CBS Innertube.

Anyway, if you watch the Tribal Councial Insider Videos you'll notice that Yul/Becky didn't trust Cao Boi because he betrayed them first. During the first tribal council, he was the one who wanted to vote out Becky. If it wasn't for Yul's quick dealings, she would have been gone.

YUL ("Cowboi"): Cao Boi, I'm truly sorry for sending you home. You're a fascinating guy, you've done so much with your life, and I've definitely grown to admire and respect you. For me, after you turned on Becky and tried to vote her out at the last Tribal Council, I just realized that I couldn't put my faith in you, I couldn't trust you. You're so unpredictable and I can't put my future with you. I wish you the best of luck with your family and your kids. I hope you have a wonderful life. Take care.

BECKY ("Cowboy"): The fact that you flipped so quickly and basically went behind my back and tried to get the whole tribe to vote me out at the last Tribal Council - right after that I lost complete trust in you. That's why I'm voting on you.

From: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3147392 Post #160

ETA:
Browsing the posts on the forum above and watching the other clips online, here's some more info:

Has anyone watched Ozzyís interview at the CBS website? Itís verrrrry interesting and shows a lot of Yulís strategy at Aitu:

* Yulís been telling Ozzy that Sundra, Candice and Becky are the unbreakable power alliance at Aitu. Ozzyís sucking up to Sundra and Candice (not Becky) to stick around.

* Yul is Ozzyís confidant and a huge asset to him in the game (HA!). They have an agreement to be honest with each other. Yul brings him information about the power alliance of women and informs Ozzy who people are voting for.

* Yul says heís only voting with the women so that heís not an outsider. Implies heís not tight with the women, but wary of them because they determine whoís going home (Are Ozzy and Yul on the same show?).

* Ozzy approached Jonathan and Yul after Ceciliaís vote. Yul took advantage of the opportunity to befriend him and create an honesty agreement with him. Jonathan did not do this. Ozzy likes Yul because he respects honesty.

* Thinks the women might turn on Yul and Jonathan if Ozzyís useful enough (So long and thanks for all the fish).

* Doesnít know that Yul and Jonathan are in an alliance.

From http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3145951
Post #196

So Yul's not blindly siding with the white team nor Becky.

[rainshowerz]

Not that it matters, but even if Yul and Becky went with CaoBoi's plan voodoo, CaoBoi still would've been voted out because he still got the majority of everyone's votes.

Plus, since the whole purpose of plan voodoo is to bring it to a tie, Yul would've voted for either Candace or Jonathan, and Becky would've voted for the other.

But yeah, it was really obvious that Becky and Yul didn't stick with plan voodoo since everyone except CaoBoi voted for him.

[monkey king]

Once again Grievous shows his amazing ability to completely miss the whole picture while crowing like the cock of the walk. Give it a rest, Chicken Little. And yes, there has been a white guy voted off.

[General Grievous]

Once again Grievous shows his amazing ability to completely miss the whole picture while crowing like the cock of the walk. Give it a rest, Chicken Little. And yes, there has been a white guy voted off.

This post has been edited for your entertainment:

General Grevious says:

So shave your face with some mace in the dark
Saviní all your food stamps and burniní down the trailer park

Yo. cut it.

Soy un perdedor
Iím a loser baby, so why donít you kill me?

[toml]

Spoilers:

According to the spoilers, next week thereís going to be a ìmutinyî and itís predicted that Jonathan and Candice jump over to Raro, leaving Yul, Becky, Sundra, and Ozzy!

[Seraph]

Wow, I just have to say wow!

Last night's episode surprised me in how much I was really rooting for one tribe.

This is why; before the reward challenge, the host offered players to mutiny and go to the other tribe. The 2 white players mutinied from Aitu tribe leaving Yul, Becky, Sundra and Ozzy (all non-whites) alone and feelin betrayed. Fans have started calling the 4 the Rainbow tribe.

So now they had to take on the mammoth 8 person Rarotonga tribe (even numbers in challenges but still daunting.) And yet they won both challenges, payback to the mutineers!

Can't believe I would root so hard for some reality show players but you can't help it.

And it is rumored the Rainbow Aitu will actually make it deep to the end of the game. YAY! And the white alliance in the losing Rarotongans will keep voting out all minorities until the merge. Hmmm.....

[Fandango]

Wow, I just have to say wow!

Last night's episode surprised me in how much I was really rooting for one tribe.

This is why; before the reward challenge, the host offered players to mutiny and go to the other tribe. The 2 white players mutinied from Aitu tribe leaving Yul, Becky, Sundra and Ozzy (all non-whites) alone and feelin betrayed. Fans have started calling the 4 the Rainbow tribe.

So now they had to take on the mammoth 8 person Rarotonga tribe (even numbers in challenges but still daunting.) And yet they won both challenges, payback to the mutineers!

Can't believe I would root so hard for some reality show players but you can't help it.

And it is rumored the Rainbow Aitu will actually make it deep to the end of the game. YAY! And the white alliance in the losing Rarotongans will keep voting out all minorities until the merge. Hmmm.....



Yeah, I heard the same thing. Jenny and the other non-whites are fools for thinking they're safe.

[lycheng]

That was a great episode! Probably one of the best in all the years I've watched Survivor. No doubt everyone is rooting for the rainbow tribe now.

lycheng

[Catatonic]

Candice is just some prissy white girl who is incapable or unwilling to reach to new people (and seemingly people who aren't white) - which is why she wanted so desperately to get back together with Parv and Adam (who she has the "hots" for).

While people, including the other whites, don't seem to like Jonathan - he, at least, was willing to create bonds with his new tribe members (once the racially segregated teams were divided into 2 mixed teams).

Parvati, while initially seeming to be the most superficial, actually seems to have a brain and ethics. While she may be friends with Candice, I don't think she views the idiot Brad too favorably.

Nathan has totally deluded himself into thinking that he is tighter with Adam than Adam is with Candice and Parvati (if he thinks he is going to last to the end with Adam, he is sadly mistaken).

Brad, inexplicably, made a number of bone-headed moves, including announcing to his tribe that "he doesn't trust everybody" (at the very least, he could have distinguished his old tribe mates from the interlopers).

Note that the people who tend to be passive (not talking or strategizing who should be the one to go) tend to be the ones who get voted out. Those who do the talking usually are able to convince others.

Jenny had better start thinking about what her options should be.

Upon merger, Yul and the rest of his depleted tribe are at a huge disadvantage, unless they can convince others, such a Jenny and Becca to join with them (if they last that long).

[Seraph]

Well, from reading spoilers I don't think the show producers could have themselves envisioned such an appealing storyline going forward.

A mutiny decimates a little tribe. That little tribe composed of 3 minority races then goes on and destroys the big tribe in all future challenges. In the losing big tribe, the "ev0l" white alliance just votes off minorities again and again.

I am going to guess a merger at 9 leaving the Rainbow 4 vs. the White 4 plus a wild card surviving minority Rarotongan. Will the last minority Rarotongan realize the White 4 is going to vote him out and flip or remain blind? Will Yul need to use the HII to preserve his Rainbow 4 at the first post merger tribal council? Probably he will and knock off one of the White 4 setting up the same drama for the next episode when it is 4-4.

Pretty exciting now.

I thought Ozzy was toast, he had to get booted before the merge because of his skills. Now I think the Rainbow 4 are just going to take their chances with him and stick together to the bitter end.

[BoondockSaints]

That chick Jenny is a real bitch. In fact, I hate the whole Raro tribe. Not a redeemable one in tghe lot of them (well I guess Rebecca is not so bad) This season is literally like good vs. evil.

[General Grievous]

I've been mocked and made to look like a fool in this forum. But in the end I was right all along. Jenny and Brad are both gone. But there are four whites left. If Yul and his team can remain strong, maybe they can pull this off in the end. The odds are stacked against them, though. I"m hoping that Jonathan gets voted off next week and that will make three whites left. Things are not looking good for the Asians. This is why they should have kept Coi Boi. They should have put up with him until they made to the merge and voted off the whites. That was a big mistake. Just like Jenny made the mistake in not keeping Brad. She should have spoke up for him or something.

[BoondockSaints]

I've been mocked and made to look like a fool in this forum. But in the end I was right along. Jenny and Brad are both gone. But there are four whites left. If Yul and his team can remain strong, maybe they can pull this off in the end. The odds are staked against them, though. I"m hoping that Jonathan gets voted off next week and that will make three whites left. Things are not looking good for the Asians. This is why they should have kept Coi Boi. They should have put up with him until they made to the merge and voted off the whites. That was a big mistake. Just like Jenny made the mistake in not keeping Brad. She should have spoke up for him or something.

Cao Boi wanted to vote out Becky who was an integral part of their alliance. Thus, he cannot be trusted. He kept saying how the Asians will stick together but then turns around and attempts to vote out an Asian.

[toml]

^ exactly. Also, Jenny was never in Yul and Becky's alliance, it was Brad who was.

Also, the only reason Becky and Yul teamed up with team whitey was was because 1) they had 3 ppl, Jon, Candice, and Flicka and 2) they both knew JP and Ozzy were a major threat.

[Catatonic]

I've been mocked and made to look like a fool in this forum.

That's b/c you ARE a fool.

There's no real solidarity btwn the white players (except for btwn Adam and Candice and maybe Candice and Parvati).

The problem is that the rest of the tribe believed too much in the sanctity of the tribe (inexplicably keeping Candice safe - when they all know she and Adam are TIGHT) and yet, kept voting original members out (meanwhile thinking that they were safe over the interlopers).

The look on Nate's face was priceless when Jenny was voted out - I think at that instant, he realized that he was the only non-white left in the tribe (and Jenny deserved what she got, since she thought that she was totally safe and yet, had no trouble voting out original members).

Both he and Jenny were stupid for voting out Brad (Yul let out a groan upon learning that it had been Brad who was voted out last week) and thinking that the original tribe was "tight."

They should have thought ahead and realized that the real threat is the Adam/Candice alliance.

Nate's only hope is to convince Jonathan and Parvati of the Adam/Candice threat (plus Candice is probably the weakest player), but if he gets voted out next, he shouldn't be surprised (for being a dumbass).

The ironic thing is that the picking off (and pissing off) of members of their own tribe (who will make up the jury) will likely turn their vote in favor of someone from Aitu (if the last 2 survivors are from each tribe).

It's funny how the last couple of immunity challenges have involved water - giving Aitu, with Ozzy, the advantage (I don't know if this was intentional or not on the producer's part to help Aitu), but any advantage is gone since all the rest of the member of Raro are strong swimmers and the weakest swimmers left are Sundra and Becky.

Btw, in the compass challenge - Adam, Candice and Jonathan came off looking pretty dumb.

[toml]

So Mark Burnett did quite a good job with this.

We have a strong colored team vs Team Whitey to appease the minorities and liberals. And we have a WM/WF relationship to appease the conservatives (with the WF giving up everything to be with him).

[rainshowerz]

Aitu's decision to keep sending Candace to Exile Island is a bad one, becauce they're keeping Candace from being voted off. I think a better strategy is to send a weaker member to Exile Island, so then Candace now has to compete with the stronger Raro members from getting voted off.

If Aitu can win again in the next episode, they should vote for Jonathan to go to Exile Island, so then Candace can compete with either Nathan or Parvati from being voted off. If any one of these three people leave, it'll be a huge morale loss for that team.

[Seraph]

Aitu's decision to keep sending Candace to Exile Island is a bad one, becauce they're keeping Candace from being voted off. I think a better strategy is to send a weaker member to Exile Island, so then Candace now has to compete with the stronger Raro members from getting voted off.

If Aitu can win again in the next episode, they should vote for Jonathan to go to Exile Island, so then Candace can compete with either Nathan or Parvati from being voted off. If any one of these three people leave, it'll be a huge morale loss for that team.
Rain, the last two Exile Islands send-offs did not protect the target from being voted off. Only the 3rd send-off granted immunity from the TC. It changes depending on what the Host wants to do with it.

So sending Candice to Exile Island the last 2 times is meant to be payback, weaken her, and not piss off the other members of Rarotonga who are all potential jury members. The last reason is quite important, continue to piss off Candice is better than pissing other 2-3 other jury members.

[nskripchun]

Aitu's decision to keep sending Candace to Exile Island is a bad one, becauce they're keeping Candace from being voted off. I think a better strategy is to send a weaker member to Exile Island, so then Candace now has to compete with the stronger Raro members from getting voted off.

If Aitu can win again in the next episode, they should vote for Jonathan to go to Exile Island, so then Candace can compete with either Nathan or Parvati from being voted off. If any one of these three people leave, it'll be a huge morale loss for that team.
Rain, the last two Exile Islands send-offs did not protect the target from being voted off. Only the 3rd send-off granted immunity from the TC. It changes depending on what the Host wants to do with it.

So sending Candice to Exile Island the last 2 times is meant to be payback, weaken her, and not piss off the other members of Rarotonga who are all potential jury members. The last reason is quite important, continue to piss off Candice is better than pissing other 2-3 other jury members.

Yeah, Candice started actually crying on Exile Island the 2nd time she sent her. I normally don't like watching folks suffer, but man, she pretty much brought it on her self by being the first to mutiny.

I hope the "Rainbow Coalition" goes all the way to the end.

[Seraph]

"People That You Like Want To See You Suffer"

LOL, I just realized that this is the name of the Episode. This is Candice's quote from Exile Island talking about Aitu. Self absorbed a bit??? Girl, you jumped ship, how much could you have liked them?!?

I think it's funny that even the producers are making fun of her boohoo on Exile Island.

BTW, there is a video clip (not broadcast) of Yul offering the HII to Becky and forfeiting if he is going to be a target and the HII can only save him once (and get voted out on the next round). And Becky refused it wholeheartedly. Kind of nice to see Asians stick together.

[toml]

A question to the Koreans, but in your culture do you only call a guy that you don't like romantically a "brother / oppa" or do you just call all guys you are close with brother?

Because in Taiwan, girls will only call guys they romantically like "brother." So if in TW a girl calls you that, then 9 out of 10 times she likes you.

[BoondockSaints]

Oppa is used by girls to describe any male that is older than them that they are close with (whether it is romantic or not or even their real brother). This does not apply to males that are much older like their father's age. They are called "ajossi" which is kind of like "sir."

Males other males that are older, "hyung."

[Catatonic]

I don't understand the vitriol against Becky - she has shown nothing but pride in her Asian heritage and great admiration for Yul.

I don't think she sees Yul in a romantic manner tho - since I think she realizes that he is out of her league. Nevertheless, she definitely seems to be in awe of him and places him on a pedestal.

[Seraph]

Becky gets so little screen time I am surprised people even know who she is. Well, according to Jeff Probst there are 3 romances on this show.

1) Adam/Candices
2) Candice/Billy (delusional maybe)
3) Brad/J.P. (rumored hookup, some ppl say JP is straight though.)

so what could be the 3rd....

Brad, said the finale will rock our socks.

[Fandango]

"People That You Like Want To See You Suffer"

LOL, I just realized that this is the name of the Episode. This is Candice's quote from Exile Island talking about Aitu. Self absorbed a bit??? Girl, you jumped ship, how much could you have liked them?!?

I think it's funny that even the producers are making fun of her boohoo on Exile Island.

BTW, there is a video clip (not broadcast) of Yul offering the HII to Becky and forfeiting if he is going to be a target and the HII can only save him once (and get voted out on the next round). And Becky refused it wholeheartedly. Kind of nice to see Asians stick together.



aughhh.....I couldn't stop reading your post before I realized what I was reading.

Great, there goes another spoiler.



Anyways, I liked your explanation of Candice's exile. At first I thought it was a bad decision but if the intention is to not piss off potential jury members, then it was the right way to go.

[Seraph]

There was no spoiler there. The vid of Yul offering the HII to Becky was one of the extra nonbroadcast vids you can watch AFTER the episode aired.

Great episode tonight. Even though I knew the outcome (CBS gave it away in the episode, watch and you can catch it) was still a pretty intense TC with the final vote still a cliffhanger.

Man, Yul is one smart guy to know that Jonathan will be the rational one.

[lycheng]

Wow, what an exciting Thanksgiving episode! Yul is the smartest Survivor player EVER! To top that off, he did it by being completely honest! 8-)

Science Geek warning: I loved Yul's volume versus surface area explanation during the pole challenge. Heís absolutely right. As volume (or weight in this case) increases, it scales up faster than surface area. Volume is proportional to the third power, while surface area is just proportional to the second power.

lycheng

[Seraph]

lycheng, you are never going to get a date ever again. Er, except maybe with Parvati... (j/k bro! :D)

Yes, Yul was honest although some people questioned if he didn't lie by promising F4 to Aitu and F2 to Jonathan. They didn't notice the fact that, Yul said to Jonathan he'd like to take Jonathan to F2, not the same as he will. Probably taking Jonathan to F2 is the most rational decision, it would make you a sure winner. Yul knows that but I'd doubt he'd do that (and frankly, it would not be much of a cliffhanger in the finale to know who wins, LOL!)

Damn, I rewound the tape a few times and noticed that Jonathan's vote was not the last one displayed, it was Ozzy's. Would have been interesting to see Ozzy's face when he realized his wasn't read yet and Aitu already won!

[BoondockSaints]

Is it me or has this season reinforced almost every racial stereotype there is?

Initially, many people criticized the racial divisions of the tribes and stated the show could potentially be a detriment to race relations. Some of the people on the show also shared this sentiment. As the show went on, Mark Burnett (the producer) and the contestants was of the general opinion that race did not ultimately play a role, and people based their alliances on personality just like every other season. But this is wrong if you look at it from another point of view.

First, the Asian tribe was dominating every challenge (the white tribe were close seconds) with good teamwork and intelligence. They were composed of high achieving and smart professional types. The black tribe underachieved and were getting decimated until the Latino tribe threw a challenge. The black tribe didn't even realize the intentional throw and celebrated like crazy because they finished third. They were lucky a merge happened because there would be no black players left otherwise.

Secondly, the racial aspect seemed to have gone away until the mutiny. That is where all the old stereotypes came back in to play. After all the bullshit about race doesn't matter and all that, the whole white tribe is the only group that still stuck together, stayed in the game and favored each other based on race.

Examples of this include, the white people on Raro protecting Candice from tribal council by sending her to exile early on the show. Another is the obvious one of the two white people on Aitu leaving a perfectly good and strong tribe for no strategically sound reason except to be with the "cool kids."

This was an idiotic move from a game standpoint when they know a merge is happening soon. Basically, I hate most of the white contestants (except Jonathan whom I can respect)

Other general sterotypes reinforced:

Nate, the black dude, is not intelligent, homophobic, can't swim, trash talks and has no sense of self-awareness.- hey Einstein, it should have been blatantly obvious you were going to be an odd man out when all the white players mutineed to Raro. Why else would they come over if they didn't feel they could ally with the KKK alliance.

Blondes are dumb- Seriously, Adumb and Candice are dumber than a box of rocks. Adam sucks at challenges, is lazy, arrogant and has a frat boy mentality. Candice is stupid simply for liking a tool like Adumb plus leaving a perfectly good alliance when a merge is obviously coming soon. Plus her sense of entitlement really pisses me off. You just betrayed your tribe yet you get all sad and cry when they send you to exile?! Ken and Barbie really do deserve each other.

Jews are conniving and scheming- Jonathan, the only "white" contestant to actually use their brain and strategize. He manages to flip on every single person left in the game. He eventually sides with the "minority" alliance.

As for the Asians, they are all intelligent and successful. And one of the guys are gay. Take Yul for example- He is intelligent, compassionate, physically strong and seems like a genuinely nice person. His only downfall might be that he might be too nice... which fits right into the model minority stereotype.

This season is like a microcosm of stereotypes in the US... well at least up to this point. White people dicking over minorities, Asians overachieving, black people underachieving, Jews siding with the minorities and also scheming/backstabbing...

[toml]

Looks like Yul made some enemies tonight.

If he wants to win, it looks like it would be best to bring Ozzy along (assuming the Aitu4 stick together).

I think the vote would be something like

For Yul to win
- Becky
- Sundra
- Jonathan
- Nathan
- Brad

For Ozzy to win
- Parvati
- Adam
- Candice

Unknowns
- Rebecca
- Jenny


Damn, this show is too addictive.

I do agree a little with what BoondockSaints has said. But at least they didn't put in all the stereotypes--from an AA standpoint. Becky and Yul teamed up, Yul and Brad are fit and good-looking, and at least Cao Boi was outspoken and a bit zany.

Either way this season of Survivor (at least so far) has done a better job of representing us than some other shows out there.

We'll see how it goes though, there are still many ways for them to mess it up, like Yul being gay and Becky betraying him to be with Adam or Ozzy.

[Insane in the Membrane]

If Yul wants to win, he needs to strike up an off-camera deal with Jonathan :

"Jonathan, u take 2nd place, and I take 1st place, since u know VERY well the jury will never make you first ever thanks to your incredible diplomacy of making enemies with everyone. This is the best offer to you "

Then Yul has a permanent ally to the end.

After Nov 30's episode, this is the order of people the Yul-Jonathan team should eliminate : Pavarti, Adam, Ozzy, Sandra, ane Becky

Then, Jonathan will naturally get knocked off, unless Ozzy , Sandra and Becky turn on Yul

[toml]

^ the problem with that is then Ozzy, Sundra, and Becky will feel betrayed and not vote for him in the end.

[rainshowerz]

As for the Asians, they are all intelligent and successful. And one of the guys are gay. Take Yul for example- He is intelligent, compassionate, physically strong and seems like a genuinely nice person. His only downfall might be that he might be too nice... which fits right into the model minority stereotype.

I would rather have Yul be the way he is now, rather than a fratboy-type like Adam. Yul is a strong competitor--smart, good-looking, nice--and definitely a man, and that's the image I want stupid Americans to have of AAs, instead of being a stupid fratboy. He is much more respected as an overall player than Adam. And Yul stands up for himself, especially when Candace and Parvati were accusing him of being two-faced with Jonathan.

I think Yul's greatest weakness is that he's too strong. He's done a great job in strengthening the Aitu alliance to the point where they aren't the underdogs anymore. It's now Candace, Adam, and Parvati. And between Candace's sob story about getting picked on, Raro not getting a share of the fish thanks to Jonathan, and Candace being voted off (but still smiling and getting a kiss from Adam *rolleyes*), I think the audience will now want to root for Adam and Parvati since they're the underdogs.

Someone needs to call out the Raro tribe for getting rid of most of its minority members just because two White people from the other tribe decided to come back. Jenny, Brad, and Rebecca looked a little too empathetic with Candace during tribal council. Same thing with Nate--he completely sold out when he wasn't questioning why they let go of Rebecca, and they were really close in the beginning. For a show that's bragging about how they put race into the equation, I'm surprised Jeff didn't bring it up.

And I'm surprised that none of the CCB-haters here have noticed that none of the AFs fit the exotic-looking, WM-chasing stereotype that they keep complaining about. Becky has a great relationship with Yul, and neither Becky or Jenny are going around flirting with every guy there, unlike Parvati.

[blockthebox]

I watched Survivor for the first time last night and all I have to say is Yul is hot. He's a friend of a friend of a friend. That's good enough to arrange a hook up, right?

[toml]

I watched Survivor for the first time last night and all I have to say is Yul is hot. He's a friend of a friend of a friend. That's good enough to arrange a hook up, right?

I knew it! All you Koreans know each other! No wonder your so united with your Hanahreum and Lotte supermarkets...

You can actually watch the previous episodes online

http://www.cbs.com/innertube/player.php?cat=114207

Just select Full Episodes > Survivor

[blockthebox]

I knew it! All you Koreans know each other! No wonder your so united with your Hanahreum and Lotte supermarkets...

Haha, we have to be so we can meet people and go on dates and eventually get married and have master Korean race babies!

[Catatonic]

Examples of this include, the white people on Raro protecting Candice from tribal council by sending her to exile early on the show. Another is the obvious one of the two white people on Aitu leaving a perfectly good and strong tribe for no strategically sound reason except to be with the "cool kids."

Getting sent away to exile isn't protection from tribal council.

Jonathan jumped ship only b/c Candice did (since he mistakenly thought his closest ally was that idiot) - he was actually surprised that Candice jumped ship and for him following her (he states that it was a total mistake).


Nate, the black dude, is not intelligent, homophobic, can't swim, trash talks and has no sense of self-awareness.- hey Einstein, it should have been blatantly obvious you were going to be an odd man out when all the white players mutineed to Raro. Why else would they come over if they didn't feel they could ally with the KKK alliance.

Nate is actually one of the stronger swimmers.

He, however, has total lack of awareness (it's funny to see him hating on Jonathan and rooting for Adam/Candice during tribal council - I wonder how he views Adam/Candice now that he has seen the episode where Adam/Candice were turning on him?).


Blondes are dumb- Seriously, Adumb and Candice are dumber than a box of rocks. Adam sucks at challenges, is lazy, arrogant and has a frat boy mentality. Candice is stupid simply for liking a tool like Adumb plus leaving a perfectly good alliance when a merge is obviously coming soon. Plus her sense of entitlement really pisses me off. You just betrayed your tribe yet you get all sad and cry when they send you to exile?! Ken and Barbie really do deserve each other.

Candice is too arrogant/stupid to realize that she comes off as a dumbass hypocrite when she blasts Jonathan for being a turncoat (uhh, look at yourself babe) and esp. since she was talking smack about Jon after they jumped ship.

As for the Asians, they are all intelligent and successful. And one of the guys are gay. Take Yul for example- He is intelligent, compassionate, physically strong and seems like a genuinely nice person. His only downfall might be that he might be too nice... which fits right into the model minority stereotype.

But Yul still knows/does what's in his/his tribe's best interest (even if he doesn't necessarily take the "dark path") and competes to win (i.e. - allies himself to what he cons