I started an AM/WF porn studio because no one was doing it

[aobwebmaster]

I'm brand new here, and this is basicallly some shameless self-promotion, but I thought the members might be interested:

I started a porn studio a year ago because I realized nobody in America was doing Am/Wf porn, or even stuff that showed non-gay AMs. AF were shown in porn everywhere, and usually with non-AMs. I don't know if AM/WF porn will help the sexual image of AMs, and I'm in this for the money, but I do get some satisfaction out of reversing the stereotype.

My partner and I jumped in and started researching and going to conventions, and now a year later we just released our first movie, "Phuck Fu Massters," about two AMs trying to become America's first straight AM porn stars. We've shot 4 movies for this series, and we're going to produce 1 new title a month. There are previews at my company site, www.AOBProductions.com.

We picked up a major distributor and the movie's at www.AdultDvdNow.com and www.AdultVideoUniverse.com and some other places. We've also got web sites coming out, and we're shooting a second movie and website series called www.AsiansOnBlondes.com

I grew up in the South and got shit for being Asian all my life. I did marry a beautiful WF, but the AM/WF thing was always a problem for her friends and family, which contributed to the marriage ending. I'm sure there's some psychological anger thing going on here with me making AM/WF porn (though I'm just the producer, not talent :D ), but there's nothing like being driven by anger to make you succeed.

[ellencho]

Hey aobwebmaster, some will be around soon to give you the usual 44 standard welcome, I'm just too lazy to do it myself.

Anyway, quickie questions: How is business? What's the demand for AM/WF movies and do you guys only specialize in AM/WF or do you use other couples? Also, do you guys have a condom policy or do your actors ride bareback?

[Scowl]

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[toml]

Aobwebmaster,

I really hope you guys succeed.

Good luck!

[aobwebmaster]

Thanks, Tom

Ellen,

Our movie just came out on 3/30, so we're not sure yet on sales, but we did find out that the initial orders from retailers was 525 copies, and anything over 400 for a first title is considered good. We'll know more in a couple of weeks as re-orders come in, which represents actual sales to consumers. The feedback we've gotten from the adult industry has ranged from snickers and jokes about AMs having small equipment to "you're in unchartered territory" to "I wish I had thought of the idea first."

Right now our focus is on Am/Wf because that niche has almost no competition. Our long term plan is to build up our brand name and the male stars, and then we'll shoot Am/Af as well. But the main thing is to show Ams performing.

As for the tests and condoms, we follow industry standards in requiring HIV/STD test done w/in 30 days of a shoot for all models, male and female. If there's problems with tests (wrong type, over 30 days), then we let the guys use condoms. But really, if a guy wants to, we'll let him anyway. Finding AMs who will show their faces has actually been the most diffifult part of shooting.

[da Tao]

Welcome aobwebmaster!

Dang, that's some nice ventures you got going there! And don't worry, I definitely will sign up providing that my intended career (where bosses sack you for "conduct unbecoming" or "bring the office into disrepute" sort of thing) is not working out. (Actually I might do it just to punk people.)

Anyhow, feel free to browse, post, and whatnot! Do you have any other titles coming up? How about "Joy Fuck Club" or "Kitchen God's Concubines"? (Even though I never read anything from Amy Tan, and hence have nothing personally against her or her writing - the parodies ought to be hilarious.) I hope you will be a pioneer of many firsts, such as the "first sex scene on a mahjong table", unless of course, the Asian imports beat you to it first. (What is the competition like from Asian imports anyways?)

-G

[Taliesin Stormheller]

AWESOME, man. I'm gonna buy porn from you instead of watching the Spice channel now.

[KeJia Sista]

Have them wear the fuking condoms for chrissake. You're the only show in town, so its not like they'll stop watching cause of condoms.

Ke Jia

[KeJia Sista]

Oh, welcome!
Ke Jia

[ric]

aobwebmaster

Well I say this I'm shocked :shock: in a good way though

I 'm curious are you going to branch out and show some AM/AF american porn? Is this basically an AM/XF theme to your company?

[aobwebmaster]

Thanks for the welcome everybody.

There was an article about my company on the top adult internet site/magazine xbiz.com this morning, and for about an hour they had us as the top news item.

I guess the cat's out of the bag on us. I'm just waiting to start hearing some backlash from Asians who will think what we're doing's bad for our image or something, but my partners and I will deal with it. A friend of ours is trying to get us on Howard Stern once the sites are out, since Stern apparently once did a segment joking about the lack of Asian porn stars (so did Jay Leno). When that happens, I guess I'll really have to deal with the publicity, especially because I'm a lawyer by day and making porn might be considered "conduct unbecoming." :wink:

We do have plans to shoot Am/Af stuff, hopefully by the end of summer. Things are just happening so fast right now for us with trying to launch two movie lines and web sites back to back, and we're essentially newbies to porn and the internet.

Da tao, we plan of making some martial arts spoofs with the Phuck Fu Masters line. Something along the lines of a young guy getting humiliated by a sexual defeat, and then training to become a Phuck Fu master and seeking revenge. Just take your average chopsocky movie, substitute sex for fighting, and you get the idea.

[AngryEthiopian]

Welcome :)

[ric]

aobwebmaster

Well whatever you do, got to make white devil look bad, PLEASE! :lol:

Basically you should spoofs some asianphile celebrities such as Woody Allen or something. That would not only bring in some aspect of humor but addressing the issue about asianphilia especially with his own adopted daugther. Or make one about Nic Cage is loser ass trying to hookup with K- girls in K-town

Anyways

If you need funding or PR I'm the guy. Well in OC, CA area that is :P

[AngryEthiopian]

Wait, I take back that sweet welcome and I replace it with WHAT ABOUT AM/BF pr0n?! Black girls need asian lovin too :wink:

[aobwebmaster]

AngryEthiopian wrote:

Wait, I take back that sweet welcome and I replace it with WHAT ABOUT AM/BF pr0n?! Black girls need asian lovin too

We've done scenes with Black and Latino girls and they're in PFM #2 and #3. We're equal opportunity porn peddlers. :lol:

So do I get that welcome back now?

[Dialectic]

Whassup aob, this is terrific!

I hope y'all make a ton of money and pay for a tasteful banner ad on our site :P

[2muchtv]

AngryEthiopian wrote:

Wait, I take back that sweet welcome and I replace it with WHAT ABOUT AM/BF pr0n?! Black girls need asian lovin too

We've done scenes with Black and Latino girls and they're in PFM #2 and #3. We're equal opportunity porn peddlers. :lol:

So do I get that welcome back now?

So you're using Black and Latina women as well? That's kinda cool.

BUT the cynic in me still would love to know how well the movies w/Black and Latina actresses will sell as compared to those with White actresses...

BTW, welcome.

[ellencho]

Speaking of porn, don't forget to visit the food porn thread http://thefighting44s.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=3306&highlight=

PS I hope you guys manage to get in a good interview on Howard Stern. He can be brutal but if you have a sense of humor about it, and don't go in there too seriously, I don't think he'll rip you apart too much. And good luck in sales too!

[eskimo]

Our movie just came out on 3/30, so we're not sure yet on sales, but we did find out that the initial orders from retailers was 525 copies, and anything over 400 for a first title is considered good. We'll know more in a couple of weeks as re-orders come in, which represents actual sales to consumers. The feedback we've gotten from the adult industry has ranged from snickers and jokes about AMs having small equipment to "you're in unchartered territory" to "I wish I had thought of the idea first."

Right now our focus is on Am/Wf because that niche has almost no competition. Our long term plan is to build up our brand name and the male stars, and then we'll shoot Am/Af as well. But the main thing is to show Ams performing.

Finding AMs who will show their faces has actually been the most diffifult part of shooting.

aobwebmaster, congratulations on your new venture and I wish you the best of luck!

Yeah, you are definitely entering a new frontier, which makes it especially tough going. I'm sure you'll get your share of naysayers (whether Asian or other), but when things get tough, find confidence in the fact that you are a trailblazer and your work will be an inspiration to many, many of our Asian-American brothers out there who have grown up feeling emasculated, asexual, unworthy, undesired.

For additional promotional opportunities, you might try what used to be Asian-man.com. It was created by a guy named Rick Lee who apparently does independent adult material illustrating his sexual escapades with women of all backgrounds. I'm sure your announcement will get an even more enthusiastic response at their discussion forum -- they're a pretty randy bunch.

Here are the links:
http://www.asianrelations.com/
http://www.asianrelations.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

I don't know, perhaps you could even entice Rick to join your venture as a feature performer.

Anyway, best of luck to you and should you need anything (even moral support), be sure to check back. There are more than a few talented individuals on this forum who can help with general business and internet and other related technical concerns you may have. I think there might also be a couple porn connoisseurs as well, but I'll keep that hush-hush for now :) .

[eskimo]

Speaking of porn, don't forget to visit the food porn thread http://thefighting44s.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=3306&highlight=

PS I hope you guys manage to get in a good interview on Howard Stern. He can be brutal but if you have a sense of humor about it, and don't go in there too seriously, I don't think he'll rip you apart too much. And good luck in sales too!

Geez, woman! Is there no end to your opportunistic self-promotion?!

We're talking about something very important here for a change.

:)

[angi]

Please break the industry standard and have HOT GUYS instead these old busted janky ass fuglies whose only "saving grace" is their big wongers.

Hot Asian guys all naked doing naughty things...hmmm

:D

But anyway, thanks for filling a niche that needs filling (pun intended.) I think you will see many orders from the 44s in the near future.

[ric]

Please break the industry standard and have HOT GUYS instead these old busted janky ass fuglies whose only "saving grace" is their big wongers.

Hot Asian guys all naked doing naughty things...hmmm

:D

But anyway, thanks for filling a niche that needs filling (pun intended.) I think you will see many orders from the 44s in the near future.

Especially from you :P

[angi]

Especially if you're the star ;)

[poisenedrice]

Best of luck aobwebmaster. As an aspiring future entrepreneur, I gotta respect those who have the balls (no pun intended, har har) to strike it out on their own, especially considering you guys are addressing an untapped niche while fighting the emasculated image of AMs as a side effect. Big ups.

But be warned... the more, ahem, frustated guys here will probably complain about how your stars aren't packing mammoth 12+ inch cocks.

[aobwebmaster]

Eskimo wrote:

Yeah, you are definitely entering a new frontier, which makes it especially tough going. I'm sure you'll get your share of naysayers (whether Asian or other), but when things get tough, find confidence in the fact that you are a trailblazer and your work will be an inspiration to many, many of our Asian-American brothers out there who have grown up feeling emasculated, asexual, unworthy, undesired.

Thanks so much! Believe me, I can totally relate to those feelings. I was one of two Asian guys in a jr high of 1000 kids, and there was always a group of jocks/cheerleaders/beautiful people whose favorite past time was emotionally and physically torturing the Asian boys. One favorite entertainment was to send a cute girl to ask if I'd like to go out with her and then all laugh as if that were the most preposterous idea in the world. To this day if a cute chick talks to me my first reaction is still to show absolutely no emotion or interest.

But WTF, they're probably now all fat and working in Walmart, and I'm going to be a media mogul. We'll start with porn and move into the mainstream. I just need to build a big war chest first :twisted:

[aobwebmaster]

Eskimo wrote:

For additional promotional opportunities, you might try what used to be Asian-man.com. It was created by a guy named Rick Lee who apparently does independent adult material illustrating his sexual escapades with women of all backgrounds. I'm sure your announcement will get an even more enthusiastic response at their discussion forum -- they're a pretty randy bunch....

I don't know, perhaps you could even entice Rick to join your venture as a feature performer.

Rick is still doing his site, but he won't show his face so that wouldn't work for us. I'd love to let his group know about what we're doing, but Rick moderates it and I've never been able to get him to post any info about us.

[eskimo]

^ Is there a particular reason he's blocked your attempts? I haven't had direct interaction with him myself but he seems reasonable enough from what I gathered.

[toml]

^^^ I would think fear of competition would be the major factor.


And though I give props to Rick for starting such a site, I agree that by not showing his face he may have lost some potential customers.


aobwebmaster: are your videos dvd-packaed only? are there any downloadable versions?

[Dialectic]

One favorite entertainment was to send a cute girl to ask if I'd like to go out with her and then all laugh as if that were the most preposterous idea in the world. To this day if a cute chick talks to me my first reaction is still to show absolutely no emotion or interest.

Holy shit, that is ROUGH, man.

As for Rick, yeah, that's a business decision; as much as he probably agrees with the principle and applauds your attempt, he obviously wants to minimize advertising for his direct competition on his site.

Keep us updated on your progress!

[Minh]

I'm not too sure if this is gonna help ya mate but PM me if you think it'll be of any use. My employer is the owner of WildLife Productions (also known as Powerhouse/WLP) which has won a few AVN awards for best series. You might be familiar with the "Screw My Wife" series. We live in Australia but my boss (Con Angie or better known as Con Aussie) frequents the US alot to the conventions/AVN's etc to bring back new stuff.

I get alot of people asking me for AM/WF stuff and have put the word across to him. So yeh... If you think its worth a shot, give me a buzz! He's pretty much the biggest private Porn distributor here in the southern hemisphere.

[maogirl]

[quote="angi"]Please break the industry standard and have HOT GUYS instead these old busted janky ass fuglies whose only "saving grace" is their big wongers.
quote]


PREACH angi!


welcome and good luck aob!

[JadeDragon]

Welcome, aobwebmaster! I wish you much success in your venture and do keep us updated on your progress! I'd probably be looking forward to the AM/AF porn... :lol:

[aobwebmaster]

I'm not too sure if this is gonna help ya mate but PM me if you think it'll be of any use. My employer is the owner of WildLife Productions (also known as Powerhouse/WLP) which has won a few AVN awards for best series. You might be familiar with the "Screw My Wife" series. We live in Australia but my boss (Con Angie or better known as Con Aussie) frequents the US alot to the conventions/AVN's etc to bring back new stuff.

I get alot of people asking me for AM/WF stuff and have put the word across to him. So yeh... If you think its worth a shot, give me a buzz! He's pretty much the biggest private Porn distributor here in the southern hemisphere.

G'day Minh! I'll send you a PM. We've got North America and maybe European distribution covered, and definitely need somebody down under and in the Pacific Rim.

Thanks again for all the welcomes, and I'll try to answer all questions:

Tom L -- Right now the only thing out are DVDs and VHSs. Once our sites are up they will have downloadable videos. The first site is supposed to be out mid-April, but don't hold me to that.

EllenCho -- I checked out the food porn thread, and I echo the sentiment about marrying you if you keep posting stuff like that roast.

Progress -- Since the Xbiz.com Article (http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=8174) came out about us yesterday we've seen a traffic spike to www.aobproductions.com (http://aobproductions.com), and a couple of threads have started over at some adult webmaster sites about whether AM/WF is a viable niche. My favorite quote is this one over at foogie.com:

I thought "Asians on Blondes" was an April fools joke at first but it will probably sell...what doesn't.

I don't know how you will pitch it tho...'Hot blondes riding massive 4" asian cocks' lol lol


I love stuff like this because it just drives me more.

[KeJia Sista]

I know its thrilling news, but I still want to know about the condoms.

Ke Jia

[AngryEthiopian]

AngryEthiopian wrote:

Wait, I take back that sweet welcome and I replace it with WHAT ABOUT AM/BF pr0n?! Black girls need asian lovin too

We've done scenes with Black and Latino girls and they're in PFM #2 and #3. We're equal opportunity porn peddlers. :lol:

So do I get that welcome back now?
Right on my man, spread the love! Welcome :lol:

[angi]

I don't care if the guy has a 4" cock if he looks good and the peeps look into it. I hate that old big dick porn where the girls are getting fucked while doing their nails with a, "are you done yet?" look on their faces.

I really have to wonder about homosexual subtext in straight male porn with the emphasis on big dongers...

[ric]

AOB

Are you going to come out here to SOCAL to make your movies if you get big( no pun attended) :lol:

Also despite what angi says, please recurit AM have some sizable jews. Need to dispel the whole small dick /AM relationship to public

[AngryEthiopian]

I don't care if the guy has a 4" cock if he looks good and the peeps look into it. I hate that old big dick porn where the girls are getting fucked while doing their nails with a, "are you done yet?" look on their faces.

I really have to wonder about homosexual subtext in straight male porn with the emphasis on big dongers...
There is some porns with this black guy who has a dick the size of my forearm.... It's grotesque...

[Infectious]

I don't care if the guy has a 4" cock if he looks good and the peeps look into it. I hate that old big dick porn where the girls are getting fucked while doing their nails with a, "are you done yet?" look on their faces.

I really have to wonder about homosexual subtext in straight male porn with the emphasis on big dongers...

I think that has to do with the main difference between the way women perceive porn and the way men do. Women want it to be more believable - men don't care about that necessarily. Men don't care about how ugly the guy is - women do.

This is why there's a proliferation of "porn for women", which is basically porn designed for women. However there's still the perception that porn is frequented by men. I'm not sure trying to cater to both parties at the same time is feasible.

[toml]

aobwebmaster:

reading your comments on the mika tan thread, I was really interested in not only the difficulties that you had starting up the company, but also the effects it had on your personal relationships as well.

Another thing that will set us apart is our commitment to this -- each of our team has taken considerable risks for our company. Billly and Brandon both show their faces and interact with the camera in our videos. Our families and friends know what we're doing, and Billy and Brandon have both lost some relationships as a result, though it's also been a great catalyst for finding out who our true friends are.

Perhaps you should set up a blog and write semi-weekly entries. You will get to show the world the human-side of a porn company and allow other's to understand the struggles that any small business owner might have to face.

In addition, this would provide great marketing for your brand. You could discuss not only how it affects you and your friends personal relationships, but also the double stigma of being a straight, Asian male in porn.

Anyway, I really admire what you guys are doing.

Not only are you taking a risk starting a business, but you're doing it in porn, nonetheless!


Btw, I'm wondering what type of equipment you guys are using to film? Is it done in digital? HD?

Also, in terms of marketing, I'm wondering which method is more effective: the outright, Asian On X-Girl message (i.e. what you guys are doing now), or regular porn, but simply use AMs (i.e. more low-key).

I've read somewhere that a large portion of the Blacks-On-Blonds audience is actually white males. For some reason, they view having sex with a black guy as a humiliating act and that's what gets them off on it. :shock:

[angi]

I think that has to do with the main difference between the way women perceive porn and the way men do. Women want it to be more believable - men don't care about that necessarily. Men don't care about how ugly the guy is - women do.

This is why there's a proliferation of "porn for women", which is basically porn designed for women. However there's still the perception that porn is frequented by men. I'm not sure trying to cater to both parties at the same time is feasible.

That doesn't explain why straight men want to see porn where the man has a huge donger and the camera is on it like 90% of the time.

[Infectious]

I think that has to do with the main difference between the way women perceive porn and the way men do. Women want it to be more believable - men don't care about that necessarily. Men don't care about how ugly the guy is - women do.

This is why there's a proliferation of "porn for women", which is basically porn designed for women. However there's still the perception that porn is frequented by men. I'm not sure trying to cater to both parties at the same time is feasible.

That doesn't explain why straight men want to see porn where the man has a huge donger and the camera is on it like 90% of the time.

Self projection as a fantasy, I guess?

[aobwebmaster]

Well, I guess I'm going to have to address this cock size thing.

We'd love to find some good looking Asian brother with an elephant dong, but we're having a hard time just finding AMs, period. We have a standing offer to give any AM an audition, and I've gotten a few emails in the last year, but people always disappear when we try to make the final arrangements. I don't blame anybody because this is a serious thing that could affect your future career and personal life, and it's going to take a special guy to break out and become the first AM porn star along the lines of some of the WM or BM stars.

Having said that, I have to give special props to my cousin and partner Billy and our friend Brandon just for putting themselves "out there." Keep in mind that the camera is sometimes just inches from the action, and the cameraman is literally standing next to the guy, elbows touching, or some times laying between the guy's legs and shooting up. It's not easy, and I think you kind of have to be a natural exhibitionist to do it well.

And size may not be the determining factor in whether someone makes it. To let you in on a industry trick, wide angle lens are almost always used, and some of these porn girls are tiny. That can make a guy look bigger than he really is, so some of the non-AMs you see in porn may not be as big as you think. Also, our guys are basically flaccid in the pictures because we always take stills first before the action starts. They look bigger in the videos, and I heard the wife of our editor was quite impressed when she popped in during the editing of PFM#1 to get her first look at an Asian cock.

[aobwebmaster]

Btw, I'm wondering what type of equipment you guys are using to film? Is it done in digital? HD?

Also, in terms of marketing, I'm wondering which method is more effective: the outright, Asian On X-Girl message (i.e. what you guys are doing now), or regular porn, but simply use AMs (i.e. more low-key).

I've read somewhere that a large portion of the Blacks-On-Blonds audience is actually white males. For some reason, they view having sex with a black guy as a humiliating act and that's what gets them off on it. :shock:

We now use a Sony PD-170 mini DV for PFM series. Our Hungarian director uses a Cannon XL1 for the Asians on Blondes series. Our guy in the Phillippines uses a Cannon XL2. We'll consider HD later, especially for feature style stuff that can be licensed to cable or PPV, but HD is less versatile in some ways for the web, at least for now.

I think if we try the low-key approach we'll get lost in the mountain of titles that come out every week. I had to write to www.AdultDvdNow.com to get them to move us from "wall-to-wall" to "interracial," and they didn't have a synopsis at all until I wrote one for them. The adult industry's idea of a porn consumer is a white guy from the mid-west. Not only do they not think of AMs as non-gay talent, they don't think of us as consumers. It just doesn't occur to them that there are AMs who might want to see a guy who looks like him doing the xF.

It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of BlacksOnBlondes viewers are white. I think the mentality of the porn consumer can be either:

1) Positive: "I like that girl, and I'm pretending that's me with her"
2) Less positive: "That girl's such a slut, she's doing a black guy, whom I consider to be inferior to me, therefore she would be receptive to me if only I were there." And,
3) Self-destructive: "I'm so inferior that this girl would rather do a black guy than me, so therefore I'm more inferior than a black guy, whom society looks down on, and therefore I must be totally unworthy."

That last one would be my guess for why guys would enjoy seeing an ugly guy with a big cock doing a girl -- it allows him to feel inferior not only in looks ("she'd rather do that ugly guy than me"), but also in penis size.

So who knows, maybe we'll get an audience of white guys too along the same logic -- "She'd rather do an Asian guy than me, and even an AM has a bigger cock than me."

[toml]

^^^ great stuff :)

definitely keep us updated!

[poisenedrice]

You know, this occurred to me today while I was rotting in my cube. Do you think you could make your videos so that the Asian guys are sophisticated, stylish and smooth?

Just from the pr0ns I've seen, and perusing BlacksOnBlondes (I think whoever runs that site are racist fuckers btw), it seems to me in the vast majority of these videos, it's just white and black guys fucking. I mean hell, in most vids I've seen, the dude and the chick don't even kiss half the time; it's maybe an uncomfortable smooch and then the girl immediate starts giving the guy a blow job followed by the guy eating the girl out and then to fucking (where the girl looks bored in most cases). Not exactly realistic IMO.

So what if for your videos, the guys don't just fuck, they "make love" so to speak.

Sounds kinda retarded, but many it'd help set your company and its productions stand out in a sea of videos that are just fuckfests, and attract a female audience of all races.

[KeJia Sista]

I think that has to do with the main difference between the way women perceive porn and the way men do. Women want it to be more believable - men don't care about that necessarily. Men don't care about how ugly the guy is - women do.

This is why there's a proliferation of "porn for women", which is basically porn designed for women. However there's still the perception that porn is frequented by men. I'm not sure trying to cater to both parties at the same time is feasible.

That doesn't explain why straight men want to see porn where the man has a huge donger and the camera is on it like 90% of the time.

Good point. And this convinces men that women are all looking for a donkey dik also, and the stereotype continues.

Ke Jia

[cattygurl]

Hello!

A Belated welcome!

It's a rough industry so I wish you the best of luck! You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, so keep your nose clean and make sure the talent is too. Nothing will make any production schedule go to shit than having ppl that aren't sober, whether it's legla stuff or otherwise.

Please do think about promoting condom usage in your films. It's really important, esp to the younger kids that will inevitably get a hold of a video or more. You can't test for all diseases (like herpes), so it shows responsibility on your part, and it shows concern for the talent involved. I know you;re not trying to be a health educator but I think any responsible company should care about the basic well-being of the talent.

Good luck!

:D

[rfa4life]

Thank goodness someone came up with this idea. I personally have not seen any Asians in porn. In fact, the only times I see AMs involved in any sex aspects is in personals, being sought by other gay dudes!!!! I am straight, but this is a little ridiculous.

Anyhow, thanks to the webmasters at Asiansonblondes.com, I can cancel my subscription to savagesonblondes.com

[kuguy2005]

"Phuck Fu Massters"

Damn, that is a hilarious title. I can't stop laughing. I hope the porno is also a comedy.

[General Chow]

Thank goodness someone came up with this idea. I personally have not seen any Asians in porn. In fact, the only times I see AMs involved in any sex aspects is in personals, being sought by other gay dudes!!!! I am straight, but this is a little ridiculous.

Anyhow, thanks to the webmasters at Asiansonblondes.com, I can cancel my subscription to savagesonblondes.com

I don't know rfa4life. I think it would be good to see some AM/WM porn. It could really break down some barriers. There are more people into that than you think.

[cattygurl]

It would be good to see a RIPPED AM as a TOP in gay porn.

I see a lot of bottoms but not tops.

Okay, 'nuff on the subject of gay porn from me.

[aobwebmaster]

Hello!

A Belated welcome!

It's a rough industry so I wish you the best of luck! You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, so keep your nose clean and make sure the talent is too. Nothing will make any production schedule go to shit than having ppl that aren't sober, whether it's legla stuff or otherwise.

Please do think about promoting condom usage in your films. It's really important, esp to the younger kids that will inevitably get a hold of a video or more. You can't test for all diseases (like herpes), so it shows responsibility on your part, and it shows concern for the talent involved. I know you;re not trying to be a health educator but I think any responsible company should care about the basic well-being of the talent.

Good luck!

:D

Thanks Cattygurl. We do have some condom scenes where the female talent requested. We basically leave it up to the performers. They all have to have tests, but even so if either boy or girl wants condoms we use them. We definitely care about the well-being of our talent, and we try to make our shoots fun and enjoyable (I think that comes through in our scenes), but I'm not sure about imposing a strict condoms-only rule. That just seems a bit paternalistic to me.

By the way, I've read some of your past posts and you seem to know a bit about the adult industry. Are you in the biz in some way?

[aobwebmaster]

I don't know rfa4life. I think it would be good to see some AM/WM porn. It could really break down some barriers. There are more people into that than you think.

For some crazy reason our guys don't seem too excited about this idea. I even had an offer from a gay webmaster to shoot solo AM scenes for them, but Billy (my cousin, partner and one of the "Phuck Fu Massters") threatened to hang up on me if I even mentioned it again.

Seriously though, our director in the Phillippines has a gay partner who is into shooting trannys and gay AMs, and they've offered to do a deal on that type of content. I personally don't have a problem with it, but as a company we wouldn't want to associate the AOB brand with gay content, and if we ever entered into that market I would set up a separate company to do it.

[Apollyon]

I personally don't have a problem with it, but as a company we wouldn't want to associate the AOB brand with gay content, and if we ever entered into that market I would set up a separate company to do it.

I think that is a good call. The goal here is to pave new ground and break stereotypes, not enforce them. For similar reasons I think Poisenedrice has an excellent idea. Why not shoot porn that has intelligent plots with well developed (no pun intended) characters that people can empathize and identify with? I realize that porn actors may not have the necessary training and skills that conventional actors do, but perhaps it is still worth a shot? If you target both the male AND female audiences with your productions, that will go a long way in furthering goals of equality. In this case, we would not particularly care if men see us as romantic, attractive, and desirable, as long as we are portrayed in that manner for women.
Have you thought about writing serious scripts and dialogue? Part of the reason why many females dislike porn is because they complain that it is stupid. There seems to be an initiative in the porn industry now to produce more intelligent films, and ones that are targeted towards women as well. One of the movies that is liked by many females is The Lover with Tony Leung and Jane March. I can easily understand the appeal in that particular film.
I understand however that high production values require significant amounts of money and I don't know what your budget is, but I encourage you to give it some though.
My personal feeling is that as Asians, we cannot, and should not compete in an endeavor which is completely dominated by others and where we stand no chance, but rather to create our own unique opportunities and carve out a niche for ourselves. This is what we have done in academia and entrepreneurship and it has worked out well for us.
Thank you for your time and the best of luck to you and your company.

[cattygurl]

Hey AOB,

My friends out of film school did what many, many film school graduates do and went to Hollywood's red-headed stepchild (the San Fernandino Valley) to work in the porn industry while biding time to find "real" work in HW.

I was a makeup-artist at the time so I actually ended up getting couple of jobs doing makeup for some of the editorial/pretty girl shots for talent in the industry. While I've never worked on set, I did hang around the set and talk to ppl waiting for my friends to get off the set for lunch or dinner (I swear to god grips and boom and light guys never get a break. I feel for them).

I think I have a different view of the industry now that I see what goes on inside it. I still don't condemn it but I know for a fact that the industry isn't a pretty picture or a happy family as the industry likes for others to believe.

[aobwebmaster]

For similar reasons I think Poisenedrice has an excellent idea. Why not shoot porn that has intelligent plots with well developed (no pun intended) characters that people can empathize and identify with? I realize that porn actors may not have the necessary training and skills that conventional actors do, but perhaps it is still worth a shot? If you target both the male AND female audiences with your productions, that will go a long way in furthering goals of equality. In this case, we would not particularly care if men see us as romantic, attractive, and desirable, as long as we are portrayed in that manner for women.
Have you thought about writing serious scripts and dialogue? Part of the reason why many females dislike porn is because they complain that it is stupid. There seems to be an initiative in the porn industry now to produce more intelligent films, and ones that are targeted towards women as well. One of the movies that is liked by many females is The Lover with Tony Leung and Jane March. I can easily understand the appeal in that particular film.
I understand however that high production values require significant amounts of money and I don't know what your budget is, but I encourage you to give it some though.
My personal feeling is that as Asians, we cannot, and should not compete in an endeavor which is completely dominated by others and where we stand no chance, but rather to create our own unique opportunities and carve out a niche for ourselves. This is what we have done in academia and entrepreneurship and it has worked out well for us.
Thank you for your time and the best of luck to you and your company.

Thanks for the support!

I agree on the importance of appealing to female audiences, and we've tried to keep that in mind. Just this week we brought up that issue with our web site partner, Gigacash.com. To their credit they saw our point imediately, which led to changing a tag line on the PFM site from "It's Phuck Fu Time, Bitch!" to "It's Phuck Fu Time, Baby!" I still think PFM and AOB will appeal more to men, and we'll do a more couples-oriented series later, but there's no reason to alienate any potential female viewers over a single word that doesn't add anything to the site design.

I like your and Poisenedrice's suggestions. We definitely have plans to shoot more feature-style stuff when our budget allows. It makes sense from a business point of view as well as artistic because if we can produce something that's higher quality it can be licensed to cable and PPV channels for big bucks. But a feature-style xxx movie would probably be at least 3 to 4 times what we're spending now for a "wall-to-wall sex" or "gonzo" style movie, which is what our first two series are. A feature style movie also doesn't have scenes that work very well for a web site. We have great aspirations, but first we've got to make the DVDs and web sites a success because that's our best shot at making enough to sustain the business and to keep producing. We're in this for the long haul and we want to become a studio that produces all styles of adult entertainment. It's just a matter of doing what's required at each stage so we can make it to the next.

But in the mean time we're doing what we can. I just wrote a script for a two-minute skit to open PFM#5, and after some creative input from Billy and our director Santino we've decided to shoot it. It will be funny and appeal to our audience, while poking fun at some groups and stereotypes. All I can say is that it involves an AF porn actress, a Woody-Allen-Look-Alike director (thanks for the inspiration Ric), and Phuck Fu Master Billy Lee.

[rfa4life]

Can I propose an RFA themed movie?

[poisenedrice]

I like your and Poisenedrice's suggestions. We definitely have plans to shoot more feature-style stuff when our budget allows. It makes sense from a business point of view as well as artistic because if we can produce something that's higher quality it can be licensed to cable and PPV channels for big bucks. But a feature-style xxx movie would probably be at least 3 to 4 times what we're spending now for a "wall-to-wall sex" or "gonzo" style movie, which is what our first two series are. A feature style movie also doesn't have scenes that work very well for a web site. We have great aspirations, but first we've got to make the DVDs and web sites a success because that's our best shot at making enough to sustain the business and to keep producing. We're in this for the long haul and we want to become a studio that produces all styles of adult entertainment. It's just a matter of doing what's required at each stage so we can make it to the next.


Thanks dude. In that case, it'd be funny if you had a spoof of that scene in Kung Fu where David Carradine tells "young grasshopper" that in order to graduate, he needs to grab the pebble from his hand. Instead, the AM would be in place of David Carradine, the white chick would be the young grasshopper, and the pebble to be grabbed would be the guy's penis. I imagine this would be fairly cheap to shoot, and funny at least in my mind.

[ric]

I like your and Poisenedrice's suggestions. We definitely have plans to shoot more feature-style stuff when our budget allows. It makes sense from a business point of view as well as artistic because if we can produce something that's higher quality it can be licensed to cable and PPV channels for big bucks. But a feature-style xxx movie would probably be at least 3 to 4 times what we're spending now for a "wall-to-wall sex" or "gonzo" style movie, which is what our first two series are. A feature style movie also doesn't have scenes that work very well for a web site. We have great aspirations, but first we've got to make the DVDs and web sites a success because that's our best shot at making enough to sustain the business and to keep producing. We're in this for the long haul and we want to become a studio that produces all styles of adult entertainment. It's just a matter of doing what's required at each stage so we can make it to the next.


Thanks dude. In that case, it'd be funny if you had a spoof of that scene in Kung Fu where David Carradine tells "young grasshopper" that in order to graduate, he needs to grab the pebble from his hand. Instead, the AM would be in place of David Carradine, the white chick would be the young grasshopper, and the pebble to be grabbed would be the guy's penis. I imagine this would be fairly cheap to shoot, and funny at least in my mind.

I just want to add AOB, you should in your future productions have some element or theme of asian/asian american issue at hand in the video. Like you said this whole Porn thing is like a 2 for l gig, you get to make $ and address some issues for our community.

Asianphilia and asian female adoptees theme



WF boss promoting a AM to management over a WM ( only because he fvck her brains out better than WM)! Use the whole AM can't get a break even if he has education, skills, and experience to move up the corp ladder.

Model Minority Myth, college theme, where some AM can't pass any of his classes so he has to sleep with all of his professors, which are BTW :females! HA

- science and premed thing gots to be discuss here. You can have a college student who does porn but who is full-time at a University as a pre-med. I'm sure you can make this storyline go anyWHERE. You can alo mention also that biology ALWAYS seems to be SAFE college major for asian americans.


Of course poking fun at Lucy Liu or Amy Tan is always good for laughs.
You can have storyline where Jucy Liu, a CCB becomes a reformed or " Toy Suck Club, where all AM marry WFs and make CCBs hate you because all they have are fat, ugly, bald, middle aged WM Husbands who need some serious Viagra or something.

Sorry, Just throwing out ideas ....bored at work


:lol:

[aobwebmaster]

You know, this occurred to me today while I was rotting in my cube.

and

Sorry, Just throwing out ideas ....bored at work

Okay guys, what's up with this. You guys are supposed to industrious Asian workaholics, and you're thinking about PORN at work? If I keep hearing stuff like this we may just have to fold the company to make sure we don't contribute to the corruption of Asian men.

Anyway, we've definitely been thinking along the same lines since the beginning as far as having fun with Asian stereotypes. In PFM #2 we shot a scene that began with Billy coming by an apartment to visit an AF, and she's not there and her WF roomie assumes he's the Chinese food delivery boy but then ends up screwing him. And we have another scene where Bradden, an AM exotic dancer, comes by to visit the same AF who's missing, and her WF roomie asks since he's Asian and if he knows Kung Fu. He tells her no, but knows "Phuck Fu," and she ends up inviting him in to show her some moves.

The acting is your typical tongue-in-cheek porn movie ad-lib stuff, but it was fun to shoot. Since the Phuck Fu Massters series is also a mock documentary about these two AMs trying to become the first AM pornstars in America, we can work these scripted scenes into the story line by having them be like certain performance tests that their Phuck Fu Sifu Santino Lee gives them to gauge their progress.

We've finalized the production schedule for PFM #5 and #6, and one funny but reality-based story line we're developing is that one of the two Asian guys quits, and a top Japanese porn star comes to America to help us out BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND ENOUGH AMERICAN ASIAN MALE TALENT WLLING TO REPRESENT. This Japanese guy turns out to be a master of Pussy-Do, and young Billy is torn between following the path of his black American Phuck Fu Sifu versus the teachings of the Japanese Pussy-Do master. The climax is a 4-way scene with Phuck Fu Master Santino and Pussy-Do Master Tengo trying out-do each other in a porn stud show down with two hot girls.

If every thing goes according to schedule we'll have at least 10 AM xF movies out by August. Maybe as more of these titles come out and (hopefully) sells well, consumers and industry people will start to see the possibilities of the this market and more AMs will want to get in it with us. If not, I guess we'll just keep plugging away until we go big or go broke!

[da Tao]

Hey man, are you still filming in Budapest? (Or did I get that wrong?)

Well if you are, I will be around town this long weekend! Heck! I might even sign on as a talent! :D

[aobwebmaster]

Hey man, are you still filming in Budapest? (Or did I get that wrong?)

Well if you are, I will be around town this long weekend! Heck! I might even sign on as a talent! :D

Hey Bro,

We finished shooting 20 scenes in Budapest as of last week and won't be back for at least a month. Too bad you didn't go over a week earlier because we needed an Asian stunt dick for one of the scenes. I posted some new pics at www.aobproductions.com of that scene. Apparently the guy had some issues cumming (we suspect he might have been on ecstasy) and one of the camera guys had to be SD -- that could have been you dude!

We're shooting in Florida this week. We're up to PFM #6, and we also have 10 scenes shot for a new series, "Asians On Blondes in America." Won't be long now before everything is out.

[Dialectic]

Yo that's terrific to hear, man!

ALso, we noticed you linked to us off your site; we appreciate that, man, and when v2.0 goes up in the next day or so, we'll be linking to you as well!

[aobwebmaster]

Yo that's terrific to hear, man!

ALso, we noticed you linked to us off your site; we appreciate that, man, and when v2.0 goes up in the next day or so, we'll be linking to you as well!

Thanks Dialectic! I meant what I said about every Asian in N. America needing to check out this site, and I like the new look btw.

I hope everyone will check out www.phuckfumasters.com. It's live but in beta testing and we should be going full on within the next few days.

Man, I'm nervous as hell. I keep asking myself what if I was wrong and totally mis-read the market? What if I build it and nobody comes, or if 50 people come and think it's a novelty and then go back to their Danni's Hard Drive or whatever they were wanking off to before? What if most Asian guys aren't big porn addicts like me?

What if...@#$^*% this... I'm going to drink until I pass out.

[toml]

Please keep us updated!

Also, if you can, put a forum up on your site. I'm sure you can build a good community of loyal users.

Also, beware of certain passwordz sites/forums where they will hack and post passwords and spoofs.

[SamuraiJack]

Great stuff. Anything to keep money from going into the coffers of the white male dominated porn industry.

[aobwebmaster]

Please keep us updated!

The last month and a half has been crazy, but as of today our first membership site, Phuck Fu Masters, completed testing (after being live for 6 weeks!) and finally got rolled out by our web partners Gigacash. Here's a link to the site with our commission code in case anyone's interested:

***WARNING -- EXPLICIT ADULT CONTENT ON LANDING PAGES ***

http://www.phuckfumasterz.com/home.html?id=599252&gcsid=68&gcasid=429721&gcsa=defaultwww.phuckfumasters.com

And as I'm writing this, stories about our roll-out and the staight Asian male pornstar theme is the top story on xbiz.com:

(http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9519),

and a front page story on avnonline.com:

(http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Editorial&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=233471).

These two industry sites are visited by just about every adult webmaster, and our press release is also being sent out over the news wires. If things go like I envision, the whole straight Asian male as pornstar theme may get picked up by Asian and maybe even mainstream media soon.

Dialectic, I hope you're ready for some extra traffic because Gigacash is one of the biggest porn programs on the net, and we're the first new site they put out in almost 12 months and they'll be pushing us hard, as they've already shown in just the first day. Aob Production's URL is linked to our logo front and center on PFM.com, and we've linked to the fighting44s.... Not guaranteeing anything, but we've estimated there's maybe 2.9 million Asian males in the US alone who look at porn, so I think you'll see some new visitors.

We also released our 3rd movie in June, and #4 is coming out next week.

I'll be totally stress out for the next few weeks but I'll keep everybody posted.

[toml]

Congrats man!

[ric]

Please keep us updated!

The last month and a half has been crazy, but as of today our first membership site, Phuck Fu Masters, completed testing (after being live for 6 weeks!) and finally got rolled out by our web partners Gigacash. Here's a link to the site with our commission code in case anyone's interested:

http://www.phuckfumasterz.com/home.html?id=599252&gcsid=68&gcasid=429721&gcsa=defaultwww.phuckfumasters.com

And as I'm writing this, stories about our roll-out and the staight Asian male pornstar theme is the top story on xbiz.com:

(http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9519),

and a front page story on avnonline.com:

(http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Editorial&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=233471).

These two industry sites are visited by just about every adult webmaster, and our press release is also being sent out over the news wires. If things go like I envision, the whole straight Asian male as pornstar theme may get picked up by Asian and maybe even mainstream media soon.

Dialectic, I hope you're ready for some extra traffic because Gigacash is one of the biggest porn programs on the net, and we're the first new site they put out in almost 12 months and they'll be pushing us hard, as they've already shown in just the first day. Aob Production's URL is linked to our logo front and center on PFM.com, and we've linked to the fighting44s.... Not guaranteeing anything, but we've estimated there's maybe 2.9 million Asian males in the US alone who look at porn, so I think you'll see some new visitors.

We also released our 3rd movie in June, and #4 is coming out next week.

I'll be totally stress out for the next few weeks but I'll keep everybody posted.

WOW, CONGRATS

[Dialectic]

AOB, this sounds absolutely terrific. I'm very glad to hear you have your marketing tactics/strategy together. DEFINITELY keep us updated, and thanks for supporting us!

If you like, you can send us a little PG-13 graphic and we'll feature your site more prominently on our links page as well.

[cattygurl]

I'm curious if the recent porn laws have affected you guys.

[kalbi]

^ You mean the one that forbids chinks and gooks from engaging in miscegenation with Aryans maidens? :lol:

[ThatsJustSick]

AOB, Welcome aboard. Where are you guys located? LA?

[Infectious]

no, kalbi. More serious than that.

There's a new law that requires porn producers to keep extensive documentation that proves that all the talent is of legal age. Of course, this doesn't affect AOB because they needed to keep the records before anyway, but this affects his distributors.

[aobwebmaster]

no, kalbi. More serious than that.

There's a new law that requires porn producers to keep extensive documentation that proves that all the talent is of legal age. Of course, this doesn't affect AOB because they needed to keep the records before anyway, but this affects his distributors.

Infectious is right on the recording keeping. We knew the new law was coming and all our records satisfy the new "2257 regulations." The only way it has affected us is that we won't be able to use a Japanese star we had shot before because under the new regs only a green card will be acceptable id if we shoot a forign star in the US. But we shot a bunch of scenes with him before the law went into effect on 6/24, which we can still use. And also right now the industry is challenging the new law and it may get overturned eventually.

ThatsJustSick, we're based in Charlotte, NC, but we don't shoot here. I like your avatar, BTW. Our director, Santino Lee and I are both huge Bruce fans (we met over a conversation about his Bruce T-shirt, which led to the whole Phuck Fu Masters concept), and our whole team has industry names ending in Lee. We call it our Lee Clan enterprise.

[silkie]

Man, I'm nervous as hell. I keep asking myself what if I was wrong and totally mis-read the market? What if I build it and nobody comes, or if 50 people come and think it's a novelty and then go back to their Danni's Hard Drive or whatever they were wanking off to before? What if most Asian guys aren't big porn addicts like me?

What if...@#$^*% this... I'm going to drink until I pass out.


When Better Luck Tomorrow came out, I supported.
When Harry and Kumar came out, I supported.

I always believe in supporting AA endeavors. I've bought H&K DVD not because I particularly want to see the movie again, but because I want to help out.
Hell, I even supported Joy Luck Club when it first came out!

This time is no different. Although I would have a harder time convincing my lady why I have to alocate my shelf space for my new extensive porn collection...perhaps I can give them away to my friends getting married?


I'm curious if the recent porn laws have affected you guys.

Damn catty,
as I've commented several months back, you seem to keep up with the industry pretty well. Are you sure you are not an insider? :shock:

[aobwebmaster]

When Better Luck Tomorrow came out, I supported.
When Harry and Kumar came out, I supported.

I always believe in supporting AA endeavors. I've bought H&K DVD not because I particularly want to see the movie again, but because I want to help out.
Hell, I even supported Joy Luck Club when it first came out!

This time is no different. Although I would have a harder time convincing my lady why I have to alocate my shelf space for my new extensive porn collection...perhaps I can give them away to my friends getting married?

Thanks Silkie! PFM videos also make great birthday, graduation, Christmas, Chinese New Year and Hanukkah presents. And you can always placate your lady with some AOB thongs and Baby-Ts from the AOB store!

Seriously, I've been really impressed with the support we've gotten from AAs. And so far things look pretty good for the PFM site. We've already had a few sign-ups, and most of them skipped the 3-day trial and went straight to the membership, which is a great indication. And adult webmasters have already started grabbing link codes from Gigacash to start promoting it.

We're going to the summer Internext show in Floriday next month, which is the 2nd largest industry convention behind the Vegas one in January, and I'm hoping if we have really strong sign-ups from now until then that this "new niche" will be the talk of the show. That would be pretty cool considering that when we walked into the show last year we didn't know a single person from the industry, and people we talked to pretty much laughed at the idea of porn featuring straight AMs.

[Apollyon]

Do you guys make dvds as well? I am not sure how web companies work, but would there be a bigger market in distribution to video stores and perhaps cable television as well? If you can reach a bigger audience, perhaps this might be the start of a broad new social trend. Perhaps women of various ethnicities might start consuming the material. I think that would be a worthy goal .

[aobwebmaster]

If you can reach a bigger audience, perhaps this might be the start of a broad new social trend. Perhaps women of various ethnicities might start consuming the material. I think that would be a worthy goal .

We're on it! We've already released 3 videos on DVD and VHS, and they're being carried by adult stores and sites including the adult division of cduniverse.com. We're in talks to get on pay per view networks. As a single AM, starting a broad social trend for women of all ethnicities to want to bed Asian guys is a definitely a worthy goal. :lol:

[aobwebmaster]

Well, here's an update on the progress of the Phuck Fu Masters (http://www.phuckfumasterz.com/home.html?id=599252&gcsid=68&gcasid=429721&gcsa=default) web site:

Basically, we're bombing. We got smoked by Gigacash's last site, which was a teabagging site called "She loves big balls." It's only been a week, but this is definitely a major disappointment. If anybody's got some ideas on marketing I'd love to hear them.

[cattygurl]

Silkie,

I still have friends in the production end of the porn industry. I no longer really know any of the stars anymore. I know several web models IRL and they've been bitching about the laws too.

BTW, AOB...

Which reminds me... do you need a freelance editor? I know someone. Seriously. This is not a joke.

[ThatsJustSick]

Well, here's an update on the progress of the Phuck Fu Masters (http://www.phuckfumasterz.com/home.html?id=599252&gcsid=68&gcasid=429721&gcsa=default) web site:

Basically, we're bombing. We got smoked by Gigacash's last site, which was a teabagging site called "She loves big balls." It's only been a week, but this is definitely a major disappointment. If anybody's got some ideas on marketing I'd love to hear them.

Your assessment on there being 2.9 million potential customers may be a little farfetched. Lets say there's 12 million asians in america. Half of them are women. That only leaves 6 million asian males. According to your projections, half of the asian males in america surf the internet for porn. I hardly doubt that's the scenario. The customer base might be a lot smaller than previously assumed.

Suggestions? Try marketing to asians as well instead of just limiting yourself to just asian-americans. Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, Hong Kong, etc. The potential is a lot greater to succeed over there. Just a thought...

[MATHABA]

Humm.. anymore actors needed?
But I'm in Texas and I doubt you guys would shoot here. I don't have any experience in porn but Ive done nude modeling before so I'm not shy. Maybe I'll look into getting a camera and starting my own up.. see if I still have my copy of Adobe Premiere.

[siOpAo]

whoa! nice :) ur putttin AM/XF Pron on the map! much respect 2 u! hehe u just became my new hero lolz :lol:

[tomdongxxx]

Just wanted to introduce myself to the fighting 44's. I have been performing in american porn market on and off for the past 3 years and am just starting to take off with work from kickass pictures. Looking forward to 2008. Wrapping up things right now and looking on several ventures. Check out my blog at www.tomdong.com (must be over 18 years old). Hope i can get the same support as AOBWEBMASTER got a while back.

[RebelAzn]

Hey AOB,

Congrats on taking the initiative and start to produce some films. Perhaps in the weird way, it will help change AM stereotypes in North America. I realize there will always be challenges for any new business, but I definitely think what you are doing there is a market for it. I am sure there are many married AM/AF couples out there that would love to get some porn to spice up their love life.

Good luck and let everyone know your progress. I am sure there will be quite a few people signing up from here.

[SamuraiJack]

Not sure if it's intentional or not, but try not to focus too much on only AM/WF - I'm sure there are plenty of AF porn stars that you can work with, although they might all command top dollar. Tell them you're doing it for a social cause ;)

[RebelAzn]

Not sure if it's intentional or not, but try not to focus too much on only AM/WF - I'm sure there are plenty of AF porn stars that you can work with, although they might all command top dollar. Tell them you're doing it for a social cause ;)

Agreed. AM with any girl is a good start. AOB definitely should go international. The AM/XF with non-Asian females definitely have an international market in Asia.

[.vhg//ALITA]

man this thread is so old. what is it with you people and reviving dead things?

eh whatever. 'sup, tom, and welcome to the board. read the rules of engagement (http://www.thefighting44s.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3305) if you had a chance, be nice to the other kids, and don't fight in the sandbox if you can avoid it =P but you seem like a nice guy. have fun ^_^

ps: good to see you're def. one of those asian dudes not doing gay porn. that's freakin' awesome <3

[FatCatAttack]

So what happened to that Aob guy?

From what I hear Luke Ford and his cronies are the most obsessed anti-Asian male screechers out there. Is that still the case?

Meh, if you ask me the whole adult industry needs a good ol fashion Godfather style clean up. Then bring back plotting and just overall healthier behavior. There's a lot of shady shit that goes down behind the scenes. Drugs, rape, and even murder. Just fairly recently we had some bad AM representation when Chico Wang (extremely self-deprecating Asian porn director; was on Howard Stern) overdosed and died after allegedly/maybe beating his girlfriend (WF pornstar) to death.

[maogirl]

alright, you people who disagree with me that asian americans' lives revolve around white people, what do you think now, hm?

of course, there are exceptions, but jesus fucking christ, look at this. when this thread first started, i tried to be somewhat supportive since it seemed to mean so much to you all, but you see, that's exactly why this is problematic, that it means so fucking much to you all that an asian guy gets to fuck a white girl.

despite all your rhetoric, how does this really change racism and white privilege? you're all simply underlining the fact that white chicks/white people are the ultimate prize.

and please don't give me that "any race of woman" bullshit, you all know that's a fucking lie because a dog-smelling cave bitch will always win out over a beautiful chocolate sister.

don't you people see??? it just makes me laugh now because you always accuse asians of white worship, but at least whenever it occurs in asia, it's naked and has economic reasons. YOUR white worship is simply based on the fact that you want white people's approval!

this is why other races can't take you all seriously and why your "movement" is flawed from the beginning. you're simply intellectualizing your desire to fit in white society, no more, no less.

you don't preach any revolutionary ideas like malcolm x. fuck, if gandhi and nehru had been asian american, india would still be under british control.

honestly, the more i think about it, the asian american "movement" can only be saved by a white guy married to an asian girl because at least he won't have any hangups about white society.


The AM/XF with non-Asian females definitely have an international market in Asia.

oh for fuck's sake, do you even know what the fuck you're talking about? stop making assumptions about asians, we're not desperate for white pussy like you.

[JadeDragon]

The AM/XF with non-Asian females definitely have an international market in Asia.

Um, no thanks. We have enough AM/AF porn to enjoy without whitey to uglify our screens. We'll even make our own if we want more. Seriously, amateur porn is what's popular over here.

[kimtae]

What can I say, as an AAM, I have to agree with MG. When she's right she's right.

[maverick4]

well, here's a site of an asian guy with all kinds of women, so i don't this specific site reflects white worship like maogirl said for others:
asian-man.com

maogirl, as for malcolm x and ghandi, i agree we need to stop trying to win approval from white people and assert our own self esteem and self respect as asians.

[Chook]

alright, you people who disagree with me that asian americans' lives revolve around white people, what do you think now, hm?

despite all your rhetoric, how does this really change racism and white privilege? you're all simply underlining the fact that white chicks/white people are the ultimate prize.


this is why other races can't take you all seriously and why your "movement" is flawed from the beginning. you're simply intellectualizing your desire to fit in white society, no more, no less.




You appear to be describing AA self-hatred. Some people blame white racism for this but that's something of a cop-out.

Racism is ugly but no-one can make you self-hate - if an individual chooses to denigrate their self or their race because of what is said or writen by people they don't know, then they have no-one else to blame.

It's because of this, that advocacy can become (as you say) not much more than an effort to demand our way into social acceptance by white America.

[Lordonlow]

I don't understand how AMs screwing WFs translates into anything but a Cesar fiddling sideshow. Is it supposed to be a challenge to WM patrimony? An avenue of enlightenment or, in the Paglia-n sense, a way to use porn as a lever unto other ways of decoding? Far-fetched at best.

[Siegfried]

I don’t usually agree with Mao girl, but she is right on this matter.
Holding up white women like some trophy is not right. This has nothing to do with love, but sexual exploration. You just want to stick it to ole "whitey" for dating your women. Why couldn't you have porn for AM and other races?
Why just white women?

(I hope you don't pull the plug on me. All I wanted to do was talk about issues, but instead I was treated with hatful messages)
Note: I did not choose this avatar: someone placed it there without my permission.

[Ike]

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You can't change it?

[Scowl]

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LOL

You gotta be for real, no one's that good!

[nightshade]

Hmm, I guess Siegfried's message could also read:

Holding up Asian women like some trophy is not right. This has nothing to do with love, but sexual exploration. You just want to stick it to ole "Chinky" for dating your women.

[maogirl]

I don’t usually agree with Mao girl, but she is right on this matter.
Holding up white women like some trophy is not right. This has nothing to do with love, but sexual exploration. You just want to stick it to ole "whitey" for dating your women. Why couldn't you have porn for AM and other races?
Why just white women?

(I hope you don't pull the plug on me. All I wanted to do was talk about issues, but instead I was treated with hatful messages)
Note: I did not choose this avatar: someone placed it there without my permission.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6170/stfutimemz1.jpg


You appear to be describing AA self-hatred. Some people blame white racism for this but that's something of a cop-out.

Racism is ugly but no-one can make you self-hate - if an individual chooses to denigrate their self or their race because of what is said or writen by people they don't know, then they have no-one else to blame.

It's because of this, that advocacy can become (as you say) not much more than an effort to demand our way into social acceptance by white America.

is it so hard to just say, "yes, i agree with you, maogirl. you are one righteous dude." instead of trying to be intelligent and writing a pointless post like that?

[Chook]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6170/stfutimemz1.jpg




is it so hard to just say, "yes, i agree with you, maogirl. you are one righteous dude." instead of trying to be intelligent and writing a pointless post like that?

I hate getting caught red-handed.

[maogirl]

I hate getting caught red-handed.


haha, alright, you pass.

[VeryAngry]

I don’t usually agree with Mao girl, but she is right on this matter.
Holding up white women like some trophy is not right. This has nothing to do with love, but sexual exploration. You just want to stick it to ole "whitey" for dating your women. Why couldn't you have porn for AM and other races?
Why just white women?

(I hope you don't pull the plug on me. All I wanted to do was talk about issues, but instead I was treated with hatful messages)
Note: I did not choose this avatar: someone placed it there without my permission.

For a German guy, you sound very American. Nobody wants to listen to you talk about "issues". Why don't you shut the fuck up until you're spoken to, whitey?

Also, what the fuck? "I don't usually agree with Maogirl" Just how long have you been lurking around here stalking her?

What a creep.

[tokyolovestory]

I don’t usually agree with Mao girl, but she is right on this matter.
Holding up white women like some trophy is not right. This has nothing to do with love, but sexual exploration. You just want to stick it to ole "whitey" for dating your women. Why couldn't you have porn for AM and other races?
Why just white women?

(I hope you don't pull the plug on me. All I wanted to do was talk about issues, but instead I was treated with hatful messages)
Note: I did not choose this avatar: someone placed it there without my permission.

...what does that mean? So it's okay to hold up a woman as a trophy if it's for "love?" That a person could be a trophy already indicates that s/he is being seen as an object, not a person, so it could never be love to begin with.

By the way, you were burned before because you were talking about things about which you were totally and completely ignorant. Don't act like you came in all peaceful and rational and we suddenly jumped you and raped you, man. :rolleyes:

[.vhg//ALITA]

this is probably siegfried about now:

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/displannotwo128392317581093750.jpg

[Lordonlow]

YOUR white worship is simply based on the fact that you want white people's approval!

this is why other races can't take you all seriously and why your "movement" is flawed from the beginning. you're simply intellectualizing your desire to fit in white society, no more, no less.

you don't preach any revolutionary ideas like malcolm x. fuck, if gandhi and nehru had been asian american, india would still be under british control.

honestly, the more i think about it, the asian american "movement" can only be saved by a white guy married to an asian girl because at least he won't have any hangups about white society.


"Movement" indeed. Those staking a claim to the throne of the "Asian American Movement" leadership are washed-up and marginalized at best, and buffoons at worst.

And as much as a charismatic Malcolm X was born for the role, he was also very much a product of the time. History was being made in the moment, and his audience was clamoring in full effect. The movement was occurring less so with Latinos but still effective. (Chavez, Huerta, United Farmworkers, Brown Berets, the Chicano Moratorium, district wide school walkouts, and certainly the rallying around the death of Ruben Salazar)

Contrast that with Asian Americans. In the 60's there was Yuri and even kooks like Richard Aoki who, to this day, claims he was a Field Marshall in the Panthers. But even then, there was no "Asian American Movement" if one considers that there has to be a critical mass.

Now let's at least be frank about it and say this helps explain why Asian Americans are so beloved, in turn, by whitey: Asian Americans truly ARE the model minority. In short, they aren't uppity, but just as important they *aspire*, not to "assimilation", but "whiteness" itself. Which by its own turn helps explain why whitey - Asiaphiliacs included - loathes Asian Americans while promoting them. Obsequious people are loathsome. Useful, but loathsome.

As for the few Asian Americans who get uppity, Asian Americans will Monday Morning Quarterback the uppity to death and/or label anyone who steps over the line as a pariah. The word is triflin'. This is yet another way they do whitey's bidding: when the occasion merits, they eat their own.

Yes, this Asian American whitey thing, it's a marriage made in hell, but as is said, if the shoe fits....

Too bad Asian Americans are so self-important to realize there are plenty of other places to shoe shop.

It's either that or they can't be bothered because they're too busy watching an Asian guy screw a white girl all the while thinking that amounts to a hill of beans.

[VeryAngry]

Wow, that was well written Lordonlow! O_o

I wouldn't be so quick to discount the benefits of AM/WF porn, though. I don't believe you've heard the psychosexual horror stories before.

[FatCatAttack]

Hmmm, interesting post by the Lord there. I'm not sure what needs to be done about the problem from it however. The whole sexual thing of course extends into other parts of life. If some other guy doesn't take you seriously as a man you can be more likely to end up involved in violence since they don't respect you enough to leave off.

Another thing is how they make everything revolve around the label.

1. Asians work hard to make up for wiener.

2. Asians are wimpy due to lack of wiener.

3. Asians are angry because of wiener.

If you say nothing you submit to it.
If get mad you "confirm" it.

Short of whipping the ol' donger out and beating them to death with it. It's hard (ho ho) to find a way out that doesn't involve white people paste on your dick causing you to contract hepatitis or restless leg syndrome or whatever else they carry.

I guess we (in the general sense) have to ask: Did this help black folks out?

Blaxploitation starting with Sweet Sweetback's badass Song, interracial porn titles like So and So's Negro Problem, Daddy's Nightmare, There's a Negro in my Wife, comedy both crude like that hateful guy in the ugly ass sweater from Tough Crowd or even high level stuff like Dave Chapelle indulges in it occasionally, and media: if you've been watching Nip/Tuck lately they've gotten a little weird with this at least twice.

More respect? Less respect? Fear? Is it the same? Is it still condescending? Does it in turn "confirm" the intelligence stereotyped to them by WN assholes? Is it good or bad that it's less visible then the Asian burden?

You know when V-Tech happened I thought that maybe more discourse into the Asian American situation would open up. I still remember my mother's comment. How she was worried about the backlash, but then she said, "Maybe they'll think Korean men are strong now..." I have mixed feelings on the subject of identifying him as solely American. On one hand it's "acceptance" on the other hand they swept a lot of things back under the rug. The American's precious Model Minority is preserved.

[Lum]

Um, I don't watch porn to look at dudes, so this whole "issue" means precisely fuck all to me.

[SamuraiJack]

Um, I don't watch porn to look at dudes, so this whole "issue" means precisely fuck all to me.

I agree, it can be black man, an Asian man, a white man, or an animal - makes no difference as long as there's a girl in it.

[Ike]

Thanks, Samurai. Now we get ad banners of two kitty cats making out.

[VeryAngry]

Some things are better left to AM/XF. I know that I wouldn't be happy seeing an AF being double penetrated by whatever the fuck.

We can't even guarantee a good partner for our women.

[maverick4]

I'm brand new here, and this is basicallly some shameless self-promotion, but I thought the members might be interested:

I started a porn studio a year ago because I realized nobody in America was doing Am/Wf porn, or even stuff that showed non-gay AMs. AF were shown in porn everywhere, and usually with non-AMs. I don't know if AM/WF porn will help the sexual image of AMs, and I'm in this for the money, but I do get some satisfaction out of reversing the stereotype.


Mika Tan is a porn star who recently realized some things and is now working on porn with Asian men, but she is having problems finding men willing to go into porn (it's considered shameful, I guess).

There is another Asian guy running a successful porn site, asian-man.com. But he has sex with ALL women, not just White women. Interestingly enough, a lot of his paying fanbase is from men who live in Japan (which has massive amounts of White worship across both genders).

I am for more images of Asian men being sexual, but I don't think you should focus on only White women.

It's like, there are Asian guys out there who hate all the Asian fetish stuff and White worship associated with some WM/AF couples, but then they themselves put White women on a pedestal. It's hypocritical. Are you able to say to yourself (and believe it), White women are NOT the most beautiful in the world?

You know what I'd like to see? A lot of AM/AF porn that isn't totally f*cked up like some Japanese porn.

On a side note, I'd also like to see more AM/AF couples in mass media entertainment.