Height Growth

[Justin]

Does anyone know when you stop growing? Around 20 right?

[ric]

Does anyone know when you stop growing? Around 20 right?

Girls, at around 25 yrs of age

Guys have potential to grow until they are 30

[Dialectic]

Really? 25 and 30? That seems really late.

[ric]

Really? 25 and 30? That seems really late.

whoops sorry my mistake

girls stop growing at 21

Guys age is right

You can look that up in any medical( general/endo) textbook

It does make sense from the whole caveman/woman stance point.

[KeJia Sista]

It does make sense from the whole caveman/woman stance point.

why?
Ke Jia

[KeJia Sista]

Internet searchs are so combined with HGH sales that it was hard to get real information. Surprisingly, there does seem to be agreement that males and females can grow in their 20's and 30's. This is counter to what I'd been taught.

Does this mean I can make it past 5'6 after all?? :lol:

Ke Jia

[ric]

Internet searchs are so combined with HGH sales that it was hard to get real information. Surprisingly, there does seem to be agreement that males and females can grow in their 20's and 30's. This is counter to what I'd been taught.

Does this mean I can make it past 5'6 after all?? :lol:

Ke Jia

Possible

Maybe you should pig out at McDonalds or something.

mmmmm.... growth hormones :lol:

Think about why would height difference make sense for cave man/woman days

[KeJia Sista]

mmmmm.... growth hormones :lol:

Think about why would height difference make sense for cave man/woman days

A lot of the stuff we learned about the cave/man-woman days has been disproved. Actually, they didnt live in the caves anyway.

That image of men dragging women by the hair or a village surviving on meat that the great male hunter brought back has pretty much been disproved.

Ke Jia

[ellencho]

Shit, for the past 29 years I lived on a mainly-meat diet and I'm only 5'2.5" and I'm the tallest female in my family, growth hormones my ass. My sister isn't a big meat eater, and neither is my mom, and they're the tiniest bit shorter than me. My two brothers are both 5'7"ish but one is a junk food eater and the other eats a very balanced diet (my mom has tall men in her family). My dad is teeny and eats a balanced diet too. So either HGH is bullshit or we're some sort of weird genetic anomaly that has poor HGH receptors or something.

Yeah, I think women stop growing in their early twenties. I grew half an inch from age 12 to age 23. The funny thing is the only person who noticed was my grandma, but I guess when you're 4'10" 1/2 an inch on your grandchild is noticeable :P

[cattygurl]

I stopped growing at 14.

GAAAAH!

I think it's heavily genetic. My friedn receivewd HGH hormones for height about 10 years ago... Her dad's 5'2 and her mom's 4'11. She ended up 5'2, which was a inch more than what her doc suggested would be her natural height without hormones. Now, she's worried about BSE (mad cow) and she regrets doing it.

[JadeDragon]

My brother and I are the tallest in our family. He's about 5'7.5" (and still growing) and I'm 5'7". Our parents are somewhere around 5'3", and my sister is 5'4.5". My father says that my grandparents were pretty tall folks, so I'm assuming that our heights came from them.

I actually was 5'5" when I was 16, but then I added the extra inches (and not just in height :lol: ) when I started college. I'm not sure if diet was the cause, because I haven't eaten beef or mutton since I was a child.

A friend of mine also underwent a growth spurt when he turned 18, even though he already was taller than his parents before it happened.

[awong]

I am 5'9"
My dad is 5'9"
My mom is 5'6"-5'7"
My sister is 5'7"-5'8"
My brother is still growing and he mightbe taller than me, he already wearsthe same show size.

[BoondockSaints]

HGH does work as it is sometimes prescribed by doctors to kids with degenerative disorders and other ailments.

[ric]

HGH does work as it is sometimes prescribe by doctors to kids with degenerative disorders and other ailments.


YEA, but nowadays the abuse has taken on parents insecurity of their childern not be tall enough. Of course the doc is going to bust out pen and scrible away a shot of HGH to save his/her financial ass.

Yea ellen,

HGH only works if your body/cells has the specific receptors for it not to mention that whole cascade reaction that ends on turning some genes in nucleus. I m sure you have read some horror stories about kids having enlarge hearts and facial features because of wrong/overdose of HGH.

Like BoondockSaints just mentioned, it's becoming a pretty common treatment for certain kids but now it's becoming a request among parents. I guessing same kind of parents who would beat up another kid's parents at some pee wee baseball game

[ellencho]

I just reread my earlier post and I realized I forgot to point out that I thought kids getting bigger from eating cattle who were injected with GH was BS. I understand that there are medical applications where HGH actually works for humans, but I seriously don't buy that people will grow larger as a result of ingesting meat that had been grown using GH.

Again, the reason why I say this is because the growth hormones used on cattle are not the same ones that our bodies make or what doctors prescribe for humans. Just because they're both growth hormones, doesn't mean they have the same structure from animal to animal. There might be some similarities, but lots of receptors require specificity in order to signal changes in our cells and I don't think cattle growth hormones are similar enough to stimulate that sort of response.

I also feel the same way about phytoestrogens from soy. They're just not close enough in structure to human estrogen. If phytoestrogens really mimic-ed human estrogen that much then all societies where soy is a dietary staple would have very effeminate men, and even though some folks like to believe asian men are effeminate, we all know that is crap.

[inferno]

I just reread my earlier post and I realized I forgot to point out that I thought kids getting bigger from eating cattle who were injected with GH was BS. I understand that there are medical applications where HGH actually works for humans, but I seriously don't buy that people will grow larger as a result of ingesting meat that had been grown using GH.

Again, the reason why I say this is because the growth hormones used on cattle are not the same ones that our bodies make or what doctors prescribe for humans. Just because they're both growth hormones, doesn't mean they have the same structure from animal to animal. There might be some similarities, but lots of receptors require specificity in order to signal changes in our cells and I don't think cattle growth hormones are similar enough to stimulate that sort of response.
The reason why kids will not get bigger even from eating a whole herd of Angus bulls that has been injected with BGH is because it is a protein-based hormone. Which means that after munching down a huge steak, the BGH will get boken down along with the other proteins during digestion.

Regarding receptors requiring specificity, that is an excellent point you raised there ellen. But do consider that there are hormones which are produced in species A that will produce the desired effect in species B. Take steroid-based hormones, for example. This one is a classic:

In 1929, University of Chicago professor Fred Koch and his coworkers mashed up several tons of bovine testicles, extracting in the process--for the first time in human history--a few ounces of pure testosterone. With this pioneering work, Koch and his long line of descendant researchers knew they had hit upon something preternaturally potent. Soon after the initial extraction, another professor, W.C. Allee, injected a smidgen of testosterone into the bloodstreams of hens. Overnight, submissive egg-layers transmogrified into bombastic she-roosters prone not only to boisterous cockadoodling but also to aggressive courtship with other hens.

Source: http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article/0,2823,s1-3-67-3-2388,00.html


Having stated as much, there is not enough data out there on BGH being administered to humans subcutaneously.

[KeJia Sista]

1. We live in an age of synthetic estrogen overload.
2. Synthetic hormones injure cell membranes in many ways.
3. Natural hormones cannot work well when the cell membranes are damaged by synthetic hormones and free radicals.
4. Hormones are not solo performers. Hormones from different body organs work in concert.
5. Hormones work as keys, and their receptors as locks. However, the receptors are living locks that increase their numbers or become fewer to respond to their cellular environment.
6. Hormonal imbalances in women and men cannot be corrected without restoring battered bowel-blood-liver ecosystems of the body.
7. Holistic, integrated approaches that employ natural sources of hormones (phytohormones) do restore hormonal balance without synthetic hormones in most persons.

The Estrogen Monster

In synthetic hormones and chemicals with estrogen-like effects (xenoestrogens), we have unleashed a monster. Synthetic estrogens and xenoestrogens are the real villains in the sad saga of hormone pandemics that we witness now. During the last 60 years, the incidence of breast cancer has risen steeply just as the use of synthetic estrogens and xenoestrogens has increased. The same holds for prostate cancer. Cancer of the uterus has long been linked to high estrogenic activity. I predict that future research will firmly establish the pandemics of breast and prostate cancers to be also directly related to the synthetic estrogens. People who understand hormones know that a hyperestrogenic state is clearly involved with disabling PMS, persistent menstrual irregularity, excessive bleeding, precocious sexual development, menopausal syndromes, endometriosis, and cystic disease of the breast.

In a recent study, 48% of African American and 17% of Anglo-Saxon eight-year-olds were found to show premature sexual development. Amazingly, three percent of three-years-old girls also showed such precocious development. This indicates a tremendous estrogenic overload and no one can predict what kind of trouble it spells for those girls.

Estrogenic activities have been shown in chemicals in common use, including pesticides, plastics, petroleum products, polystyrene, and PAHs (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons). Chemical companies usually pooh-pooh the health hazards of their chemicals claiming that minute amounts of their chemicals are safe. In a recent study, some plastic compounds were shown to have hormonal activity at concentrations as low as two parts per billion. The author discussed this serious issue in his book RDA: Rats, Drugs and Assumptions.

Hollow Tin Dolls

Discussions of women's health issues usually begin with estrogens and end with progesterones. That is a serious error. Women are not hollow tin dolls, nor are estrogens and progesterones little marbles rattling in female bodies. Female hormones actively influence, and are influenced by, all hormones produced by the pituitary, thyroid, pancreas, adrenals, bowel, hypothalamus, lungs, and many other body organs. Thus, in my view, prescribing synthetic hormones without a holistic, integrated assessment of the total health a woman is not optimal care.
Hormone Replacement Therapy (HIT) or Receptor Restoration Therapy (RRT)?

The common description of the interface between hormones and their cell membrane receptors as a lock-and- key union is grossly erroneous. The cell membranes, as I write earlier, are living surfaces which actively "read" their microenvironment and respond accordingly. The cell membranes in reality actively produce receptors ("hooks") to fish out needed supplies of hormone molecules. Hormones, on the other hand, are like the fish that can "choose" to swarm the membrane or simply swim away, depending upon whether the membrane is clean or polluted with synthetic hormones.

When the cell membrane is damaged by synthetic hormones, pollutants, or free radicals, the healthful play between hormones and membrane receptors is blocked. The result: hormone "diseases." This is not mere poetic license. My colleague, Gary Viole, and I have observed significant benefits with a substance derived from soybean which is not a hormone and yet improves hormonal health by facilitating transfer of hormones into cells. (We were awarded a US patent for our research.)

The issue of HIT vs. RRT is an essential one. Lifestyle stressors, pesticides , and pollutants injure cell membranes at an ever-increasing rates. Sugar-insulin-adrenaline roller coasters further add to cell membrane stress. To pour salt on the wounds of the cell membrane with synthetic hormones makes no sense.

Hormones and Battered Bowel Ecology: Of Professors and Patients
When I began the study of medicine forty years ago, my professors taught me to consider as "diseases" imbalances in the function of the thyroid, ovaries, testes, adrenals, pituitary, and hypothalamus. Now my patients teach me something entirely different.

I recognize that each body organ (glandular or otherwise) influences, and is influenced by, every other body organ. A part must have a relationship with the whole. That is the law of nature. Now when I see a female patient with PMS, menstrual irregularities, endometriosis, breast and ovarian cysts, I think of how a battered bowel ecosystem can produce excess toxins (organic acids, heat shock proteins, and others) which poison her adrenal glands. When someone consults me for breast and uterine cancer, I think how excess microclots in her blood create free radical storms that injure all her glands. (My colleague, Omar Ali, and I recently introduced the term oxidative coagulopathy for such microclots.1 )

I now see clearly that I cannot truly address the "female hormone problems" of my patients without holistically considering all aspects of their damaged bowel-blood-liver ecosystems and without providing support for the troubled thyroid-adrenal-pancreas trio.

http://majidali.com/

Ke Jia