All the Good Pho and Bibimbap: Viet and Korean 44s

[Dialectic]

Since our launch, we have seen a steady and significant increase in the number of our readers, forum participants, and potential feature contributors.

What has surprised all of us is the disproportionate prevalance of Viet and Korean participation. Y'all are all up in the Features and the Forum, and we think this is fucking terrific.

What we're wondering is why this is happening. I have a few thoughts on this myself, but they're not fully-formed yet, and I'd like to hear what all of you think about this.

Again, we thank all of you for showing so much love, and we want you to stick around. We got a few new plans we're gonna roll out in the next month or so, and y'all are gonna love 'em.

[kalbi]

Cuz us Gooks and Viet Cong Charlies are cool like dat. 8)

[blockthebox]

What has surprised all of us is the disproportionate prevalance of Viet and Korean participation. Y'all are all up in the Features and the Forum, and we think this is fucking terrific.

What we're wondering is why this is happening. I have a few thoughts on this myself, but they're not fully-formed yet, and I'd like to hear what all of you think about this.


It seems that everyone lurks, but perhaps we're just more vocal peeps. I'm not sure that there are any sociological/cultural reasons for the prevalence of our two groups here, but I'll have to think about it.

[Pimp Kim Chee]

I GOTS TO MEDITATE ON DIS SHIT LIKE BLOCKTHEBOX, BUT I KNOWS ONE THANG FOR SURE: BEIN CALLED CHINESE WHEN YOU SK IS FUNNY DA FIRST 2 TIMES OR SO, AT AROUND 100 IT GETS ANNOYIN BUT YOU STILL HOLDIN IT DOWN, BUT AT AROUND 1,000 YOU AINT NOTHIN BUT A PISSED SK MUTHAFUCKA DAT GOTS NOTHIN BUT RAGE IN YO SOUL AND HATE IN YO CLENCHED FISTS AS YOU REPEATEDLY JAB DEM INTO SOME IGNANT PUNKS MIDSECTION. IF I WAS CHINESE, MAYBE I WOULDNT BE SO MAD TODAY CAUSE AT LEAST DEM IGNANT MUTHAFUCKAS WOULD HAVE MY ANCESTRY RIGHT (BUT BEST BELIEVE ID STILL SLAP DEM KIDS UP IF DAY BE DOIN DAT "CHING, CHING, CHONG" BULLSHIT).

[ellencho]

Well put PKC, when I was growing up I was the only asian girl in my elementary school and I'd have stupid kids asking me where I was from, to which I'd reply, "Queens" and then eventually after they bothered me more, I'd finally tell them I'm Korean, and I remember this stupid girl once asked me "oh, that's in China right?"

And even though bibimbap is technically a clever way to eat leftovers, I enjoy it immensely, especially in those hot stone bowls. mmm mmm bitch!

[FightWithMe]

True, it is really irritating.

Ironically, though, I'm actually Chinese and I've never been called Chinese correctly. I've been asked if I was everything from Japanese to Korean to Filipino, but I really don't remember the last time somebody's come up to me and asked if I was Chinese...

Personally I think there are differences in general between how vocal Chinese are versus Koreans versus Vietnamese, etc. Chinese are generally quieter, Koreans less so, and Vietnamese least so. Granted my main motivation for expressing this is based on my observations of The World Series of Poker, but whate'er, right?

By the by, we Asians seem to do quite well there. We got the stoich Johnny Chan (World Champ '87-'88), the competitive likes of David Kim, Kevin Song, etc., and the awesomely loud Scotty Nguyen (World Champ '98). What can I say? We is reppin'.

[Scowl]

By the by, we Asians seem to do quite well there. We got the stoich Johnny Chan (World Champ '87-'88), the competitive likes of David Kim, Kevin Song, etc., and the awesomely loud Scotty Nguyen (World Champ '98). What can I say? We is reppin'.

I guess we just love to gamble. Didn't you know that we're all compulsive gamblers?

And trust me, it's not much better if they do happen to get your ethnicity right. It's all from the same ignorance, because even if they make a lucky guess, they go on to say stupid shit that proves that they're fucking morons.

[AsianMilitia]

It's funny that these people post these messages because I was going to iterate on the same thing: Maybe it's because Koreans and Viets are the most pissed, especially when people call us Chinese.

By the way, Fightwithme, Chinese, are by FAR, the loudest of all Asians in public. No offense, but they seem to have by far the least etiquette. You can hear them screaming in restaurants, computer labs, even libraries. People at the colleges I went to dreaded being by Chinese students in computer labs and libraries. The Chinese would chat out loud and some would even fart like it was nothing. The worst thing was when the non-Asians would roll their eyes and look at me.

I also remember a friend's wedding reception I went to in Chinatown. My Chinese friend was marrying a Japanese girl and the Japanese girls parents came in from Japan. While the father of the bride was giving his speech, the Koreans, Japanese, other Asians, Whites, Blacks were listening attentitively, but a lot of the Chinese were sitting there chatting aways out loud. People actually had to go shut them up. The groom's brother, also a good friend, later just looked at me and said,"Chinese people are like that." I would have to agree with him. Out of the Asian groups, Chinese are the loudest and have the least etiquette, Japanese people have the most etiquette in public. Koreans are somewher in between. Don't mean to offend anyone, but just saying it like it is. Granted Koreans and Japanese do get roudy when they drink and party, they know when they shouldn't talk out load. ie. Libraries, Presentations, computer labs, and speeches at wedding receptions.

[.vhg//ALITA]

Ironically, though, I'm actually Chinese and I've never been called Chinese correctly. I've been asked if I was everything from Japanese to Korean to Filipino, but I really don't remember the last time somebody's come up to me and asked if I was Chinese...

Same here. The last person that identified me correctly as Chinese was Vinh (yes vinh from the forums), and that was just by pictures -_- before that, I don't quite remember anyone who directly saw me as Chinese.

[FightWithMe]

Hey Militia,

How's it going?

Sure - doesn't really bother me. I mean, clearly different people are going to have different experiences in their own personal lives, right? And even if it is true, still doesn't really bother me. : )

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So long as in the end we work well together as Asians towards a more unified movement that speaks out loudly and angrily against racism.

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Sorry, had to throw that in there.

[blockthebox]

I think we're veering slightly off topic here, but I don't really care if someone thinks I'm Chinese or whatever (people usually think I'm JA anyway). There's also a difference between being vocal about issues you care about and being loud in public. And anyway, making gross and inaccurate generalizations about a particular ethnic group is pointless really.

AsianMilitia brought up something interesting - perhaps we're just more pissed off. But why is that?

[awong]

I kind of agree with chinese being loud in public...but it can't be as worse as being Chinese and speak spanish REALLY LOUD. Thats the main thing my dad can't stand about my mom, when we were at a museum, there was a Cuba exhibit and basically had a map of Havana and also a regular old Cuba map. My mom made such a big deal in spanish, about it like talking about where everything was, that my dad kept trying to make her keep quiet. I also think this is where I get my precieved notions about Spanish people being loud, etc, b/c of my family, and sorta wished they were more "asian" and less loud spanish talktive.

Another thing, one time at lunch I was with a chinese friend and other kids, basically talking about politics, technology, etc. Some white trash decides to talk to my chinese friend and I and ask where we are from. I went off on my tagnents saying that I was born here, etc and when it came to the parents, I said, they aren't Chinese, they weren't even born in China, implying I am not Chinese, and I speak spanish and my parents aren't chinese, I told him "you want to hear me speak spanish :P " It pissed him off to the point he just walked away and left. I think I had a fun time messing with his head. My vietnamese friend did the same, it seems when you mess with their mind they get irrirated and leave and they don't seem to bother me as much.
Then again the people in my school are wacked. Token blacks who basically try to act white, wannabe confederates who listen to rap music.

[Scowl]

Back to the topic at hand.

Right now, I will say that Viets and Koreans are more pissed. As I understand it, Viets make up the vast majority of poor Asians in North America, and Koreans have the biggest CCB problem - both very good reasons to be pissed.

Discuss.

[Pimp Kim Chee]

AsianMilitia brought up something interesting - perhaps we're just more pissed off. But why is that?

IT WOULD BE INTERESTIN TO KNOWS IF MOST OF US BE FIRST GENERATION OR IF DAY BE SOME SECOND GENERATION AZNS RUNNIN AROUND UP IN HERE AS WELL. I WOULD THINK DAT SECOND GENERATION PEEPS WOULD BE MORE CHILLED OUT, BUT MAYBE DATS NOT DA CASE. I AINT NEVER MET NO SECOND GENERATION AZN YET, BUT IT AINT LIKE DAY ADVERTIZE IN DA YELLOW PAGES.

[AsianMilitia]

AsianMilitia brought up something interesting - perhaps we're just more pissed off. But why is that?

We've been talking about it. We're always seen as being Chinese and judged on Chinese characteristics instead of the merits of Koreans and Vietnamese. That's annoying, especially considering Koreans and Viets are both proud people who have just as much to boast about as the Chinese.

Right now, I will say that Viets and Koreans are more pissed. As I understand it, Viets make up the vast majority of poor Asians in North America, and Koreans have the biggest CCB problem - both very good reasons to be pissed.


Those were the two most gross generalizations I have ever seen. Do you have proven facts to back up your statement?

[AsianMilitia]

AsianMilitia brought up something interesting - perhaps we're just more pissed off. But why is that?

IT WOULD BE INTERESTIN TO KNOWS IF MOST OF US BE FIRST GENERATION OR IF DAY BE SOME SECOND GENERATION AZNS RUNNIN AROUND UP IN HERE AS WELL. I WOULD THINK DAT SECOND GENERATION PEEPS WOULD BE MORE CHILLED OUT, BUT MAYBE DATS NOT DA CASE. I AINT NEVER MET NO SECOND GENERATION AZN YET, BUT IT AINT LIKE DAY ADVERTIZE IN DA YELLOW PAGES.

We're all second generation. Our parents were the first generation here, therefore, they are the first, whether our generation was born here or not.

[Pimp Kim Chee]

AsianMilitia brought up something interesting - perhaps we're just more pissed off. But why is that?

IT WOULD BE INTERESTIN TO KNOWS IF MOST OF US BE FIRST GENERATION OR IF DAY BE SOME SECOND GENERATION AZNS RUNNIN AROUND UP IN HERE AS WELL. I WOULD THINK DAT SECOND GENERATION PEEPS WOULD BE MORE CHILLED OUT, BUT MAYBE DATS NOT DA CASE. I AINT NEVER MET NO SECOND GENERATION AZN YET, BUT IT AINT LIKE DAY ADVERTIZE IN DA YELLOW PAGES.

We're all second generation. Our parents were the first generation here, therefore, they are the first, whether our generation was born here or not.

AIGHT, WHATEVER. SO IF WE USE YO DEFINITIONS, DAY AINT NO 3RD GENERATION PEEPS HERE? DAY GOTS TO BE A FEW. ID BE INTERESTED IN WHAT DAY GOTS TO SAY.

[Scowl]

Those were the two most gross generalizations I have ever seen. Do you have proven facts to back up your statement?

Nope. I'm throwing it out there for discussion. Prove me wrong.

Chinese, are by FAR, the loudest of all Asians in public. No offense, but they seem to have by far the least etiquette.

That's a generalization, too.

[AsianMilitia]

AsianMilitia brought up something interesting - perhaps we're just more pissed off. But why is that?

IT WOULD BE INTERESTIN TO KNOWS IF MOST OF US BE FIRST GENERATION OR IF DAY BE SOME SECOND GENERATION AZNS RUNNIN AROUND UP IN HERE AS WELL. I WOULD THINK DAT SECOND GENERATION PEEPS WOULD BE MORE CHILLED OUT, BUT MAYBE DATS NOT DA CASE. I AINT NEVER MET NO SECOND GENERATION AZN YET, BUT IT AINT LIKE DAY ADVERTIZE IN DA YELLOW PAGES.

We're all second generation. Our parents were the first generation here, therefore, they are the first, whether our generation was born here or not.

AIGHT, WHATEVER. SO IF WE USE YO DEFINITIONS, DAY AINT NO 3RD GENERATION PEEPS HERE? DAY GOTS TO BE A FEW. ID BE INTERESTED IN WHAT DAY GOTS TO SAY.

Most 3rd generation Asians wouldn't be interested in this site. They're usually completely absorbed into the general American population. That's why most of the descendants of the Chinese and Japanese that came here in the 1800's-early 1900's are only part Asian.

[Pimp Kim Chee]

Koreans have the biggest CCB problem

I DONT KNOW DAT DIS BE TRUE, BUT LOOKIN AT OTHER CULTURES IN AMERICA, DAY SOME DAT BEEN KEEPIN DAY SHIT ON LOCK. I MEANS TAKE A LOOK AT ALL DA INDIAN AMERICAN MUTHAFUCKAS. A LOT OF DEM SPECIFICALLY WANT TO DATE OTHER DESIS, NOT NO WHITE, BLACK, CHICANO, OR AZN MUTHAFUCKA. SURE DAY EXCEPTIONS, BUT I MET SOME A DEM DESI CHICKS AND DAY CHILL AS FUCK, DAY JUST WANT TO DATE OTHER DESIS. I DONT CONSIDER DA INDIAN HOUSEHOLD TO BE MORE STRICT OR OPPRESSIVE DAN DA AVERAGE AZN HOUSEHOLD, AND I ALSO DONT SEES NO INDIAN MEN COMPLAININ DAT DA FEMALES BE RUNNIN TO DA WHITE MAN NEITHER (THOUGH IT WOULD BE INTERESTIN TO SEE AN INDIAN VERSION OF DA 44 SITE).

[DijabutiA]

You might say some of the anger for Koreans has came from living in China and Japan's shadows for the majority of their history.

[rainshowerz]

Btw, other than Vinh, who else is Vietnamese?

[dragon]

Btw, other than Vinh, who else is Vietnamese?

100% Vietnamese (ex-thug) through and through.

Eat Pho and chill.... :wink:

[rainshowerz]

Actually, I'm Filipina, but I welcome any Pacific Islander representation, as I do believe that there are different dynamics between Asians and Pacific Islanders, but that's in another thread.

Have some lumpia with your pho and welcome! ;)

[AsianMilitia]

Those were the two most gross generalizations I have ever seen. Do you have proven facts to back up your statement?

Nope. I'm throwing it out there for discussion. Prove me wrong.

Chinese, are by FAR, the loudest of all Asians in public. No offense, but they seem to have by far the least etiquette.

That's a generalization, too.

You're right, sorry. Let's just say, you're one up on me now. 8)

[Dialectic]

Minh Allen, one of our best Feature writers, is also Viet. And isn't DAC at least partially-related to Viet shit too?

I'll post some of my thoughts soon. Thanks guys, and keep 'em coming.

[Scowl]

You're right, sorry. Let's just say, you're one up on me now.

No worries. It might not look that way, but I'm not trying to be one up on anyone.

If we could find an answer to the original question that we can generally agree on (or even generally agree that the original premise is flawed), then I think that it would be quite an accomplishment, in terms of cooperative thinking.

[dragon]

Minh Allen, one of our best Feature writers, is also Viet. And isn't DAC at least partially-related to Viet shit too?

I'll post some of my thoughts soon. Thanks guys, and keep 'em coming.

"Viet shit" :?:

[Dialectic]

I use "shit" the same way I use "stuff" and "things" and "crap." Didn't mean nothing derogatory by it.

I suppose I could have said, "related to the Vietnamese in some way by genetics or culture or both."

[dragon]

I use "shit" the same way I use "stuff" and "things" and "crap." Didn't mean nothing derogatory by it.

I suppose I could have said, "related to the Vietnamese in some way by genetics or culture or both."

It's all good, brah! Just giving ya a hard time. I do that "shit" too! :wink:

[angi]

Dac is Chinese from Vietnam. But he reppin!

[Dialectic]

There's actually a whole bunch of Chinese-from-Vietnam around where I am. It's cool 'cause they speak like three languages minimum.

[Dialectic]

A'ight here's my take on things:

Within the North American Asian community, the Chinese make up the vast majority of the population, followed by Viets and Koreans.

When you're part of some type of majority, even if you're just a big fish in a little pond, you're still a big fish. You still have power within that population, and you still have the best representation, and people come to you first. Most folks in North America, for example, default to thinking "Chinese" when they think "Asian."

That has a significant effect, and we see this, for example, in North American Whites. Any given dominant population is, in general, going to be

1) The least artistically innovative
2) The least introspective (but the most narcissistic, which is different)
3) The least socially aware, or ignorant of other cultural contexts

So I propose that this is what's happening (to a much lesser extent than the Whites, of course) in the North American Asian populations. Because the Koreans and Viets are minorities among minorities, they are more inclined to be artistically innovative, introspective, and socially aware.

[angrykoreanman]

I'm not sure any of these theories are valid. It could be just coincidence. I don't think we can say with any certainty that vietnamese or koreans are more angry and therefore more likely to speak up. And I don't think our ancestral past has any relevance to us being here either since most of us are americanized and not fobs.

This site is fairly new. Maybe the word hasn't gotten around to other asn nationalities yet. It may be coincidence like I said.

I think every asian-american especially males should be PISSED. I mean, how can you not be pissed if you're chinese, or japanese or whatever. Our generation is being royally fucked over, and it's incumbent upon THIS generation to do something about it. Most likely nothing we do can stem the tide since we are relatively small in number, and what we face is overwhelmingly large. Asian-American males (and really, females too) are being exterminated through a novel way of birth control: asian females preference of white men over asian men. what a shitty way to die. Although I myself have NO problems with girls, even attracting hot white women, I can't be at peace with what I see. It's not about the frequency of sex, or getting the girls. It's not even about me personally. It's much bigger and what I see deeply troubles me.

[FatFish]

. . . what we face is overwhelmingly large. Asian-American males (and really, females too) are being exterminated through a novel way of birth control: asian females preference of white men over asian men. what a shitty way to die. Although I myself have NO problems with girls, even attracting hot white women, I can't be at peace with what I see. It's not about the frequency of sex, or getting the girls. It's not even about me personally. It's much bigger and what I see deeply troubles me.

Yap. That is the issue with me and a lot of guys here.

[KevMinh]

Btw, other than Vinh, who else is Vietnamese?

Like Dialectic said I am Vietnamese. However, the whole story is that I'm half Viet, half white, although people have mistaken me for being Filipino, Chinese, Khmer and Thai. When I was visiting Bangkok two years ago, everyone thought I was Thai.

[AsianMilitia]

Within the North American Asian community, the Chinese make up the vast majority of the population, followed by Viets and Koreans Chinese are the largest population, however, they are not the vast majority. To be the majority you have to be over 50%, which the Chinese are not. It's just ignorance that makes people assume that ALL Asians are Chinese. I've actually beat the shit out of some people who called me Chinese. I take it as an insult. Not that it's an insult to be Chinese, but an insult to overlook my true identity due to their ignorance. Fuck that shit. And now you can see why Koreans and Viets are so angry.

In the U.S., the Chinese population is just slightly higher than the Filipino population:

http://www.detnews.com/2004/census/0407/06/census-139111.htm

[Dialectic]

I read that article a while ago but never paid attention to the breakdown. That's interesting shit. Only 2.4 out of 10 mill, huh? I take back "vast majority." This site may actually roughly reflect population breakdown after all ...

[AsianMilitia]

I read that article a while ago but never paid attention to the breakdown. That's interesting shit. Only 2.4 out of 10 mill, huh? I take back "vast majority." This site may actually roughly reflect population breakdown after all ...

Indeed. That makes it even more worthy of non-Chinese Asians getting the fuck pissed off when we're being called Chinese. I mean, we've been through the Korean and Viet War, WWII, Japanese and Korean economic growth and expansion, and we're still fuckin all Chinese? The other 3 groups I've mentioned have done a lot more the past century to put themselves on the map and we're all still fuckin Chinese to people. Fuckin Christ.

[Anarchrist]

Since our launch, we have seen a steady and significant increase in the number of our readers, forum participants, and potential feature contributors.

What has surprised all of us is the disproportionate prevalance of Viet and Korean participation. Y'all are all up in the Features and the Forum, and we think this is fucking terrific.

What we're wondering is why this is happening. I have a few thoughts on this myself, but they're not fully-formed yet, and I'd like to hear what all of you think about this.

Again, we thank all of you for showing so much love, and we want you to stick around. We got a few new plans we're gonna roll out in the next month or so, and y'all are gonna love 'em.

A Taiwanese professor of mine who indeed was also an avid Asian rights activist did express that, especially in New York, the Asian rights/Asian power movement was headed mostly by Koreans. This is great! However, (sigh) I did try to galvanize a Chinese cultural organization once...How did the old proverb about Chinese unity go again? Oh yes.."The Chinese are like sand"...Oh well. Never stops me from trying again.

[Dialectic]

As Tojo said in another thread, the overseas Chinese don't really have a "unity": more of a universal pragmatism or "every-man-for-himself" mentality. It's quite charming.

[quartz]

I don't know if this adds to anything, but have you also noticed that in colleges, a lot Koreans and Viets can be pretty cliquey?

I'm 100% Vietnamese 8)

[Yellow_Peril]

I did try to galvanize a Chinese cultural organization once...How did the old proverb about Chinese unity go again? Oh yes.."The Chinese are like sand"...Oh well. Never stops me from trying again.

I would almost be offended by that comment if it wasan't so true.

I've often wondered what it would actually take to actually 'agitate' the Chinese from their slumber.. but i guess if you stomp on a race that has been oppressed enough.. inevitably, you'll break their spirit .. eventually this dysfuctional trait gets past from generation to generation ..till you get pretty much this 'sad sack' of today (and the chinese have been stomped on for centuries, by their own kind.. I would go as far to say, more then any other Asian Culture.. then came the invaders, who just picked up the pieces.. )

I don't know, somewhere in time.. the Chinese stopped caring. about anything, but their own skins (including each other). it goes beyond self-hate..

it's like genetic apathy.. :roll:

[TimeTraveler]

I don't know if this adds to anything, but have you also noticed that in colleges, a lot Koreans and Viets can be pretty cliquey?

I'm 100% Vietnamese 8)
You're right it doesn't add to anything, because I see that in other groups as well, Hispanics for example.

Welcome to the forum.

[AsianMilitia]

I don't know if this adds to anything, but have you also noticed that in colleges, a lot Koreans and Viets can be pretty cliquey?

I'm 100% Vietnamese 8)All groups are cliquish in college, dude. Just look at all the frats. How many black guys do you see in white frats? How many white guys do you see in black frats?

[AsianMilitia]

I did try to galvanize a Chinese cultural organization once...How did the old proverb about Chinese unity go again? Oh yes.."The Chinese are like sand"...Oh well. Never stops me from trying again.

I would almost be offended by that comment if it wasan't so true.

I've often wondered what it would actually take to actually 'agitate' the Chinese from their slumber.. but i guess if you stomp on a race that has been oppressed enough.. inevitably, you'll break their spirit .. eventually this dysfuctional trait gets past from generation to generation ..till you get pretty much this 'sad sack' of today (and the chinese have been stomped on for centuries, by their own kind.. I would go as far to say, more then any other Asian Culture.. then came the invaders, who just picked up the pieces.. )

I don't know, somewhere in time.. the Chinese stopped caring. about anything, but their own skins (including each other). it goes beyond self-hate..

it's like genetic apathy.. :roll:Kinda like the Native Americans, huh? According to the last census, they had the highest rate of inter-racial marriage at 70%, even though their numbers are on the brink of extinction. There's an indian reservation here in town, and each individual of the tribe gets about $100,000 a year from the casino, and that hasn't helped their lives one bit. All they do is sit around all day snort coke, and head to the bars every night.

Albeit, Chinese aren't anywhere as lost of a people or self-hating bunch as the Native Americans, if they have any inklings of it whatsoever, it's pretty sad.

[FightWithMe]

All groups are cliquish in college, dude. Just look at all the frats. How many black guys do you see in white frats? How many white guys do you see in black frats?

There are usually a few Blacks in traditionally White frats, just as there are usually a few Indians or East Asians. One of my Chinese friends is even in a Jewish frat.

However, there are no Whites in Black frats, because it is simply unspoken that they are not welcome. Not that I know of any East Asians in Black frats, either, but then I've never seen a Black dude in an Asian frat, similarly.

The difference is that with "regular" or non-ethnic fraternities, the focus of the institutionalization of social interaction is not a given ethnicity, but the activities in which they engage. These are guys that would have hung out together anyway, regardless of race. On the other hand, ethnic fraternities (Black, Asian, etc.) are meant to bring people of the same race together, whether or not they would have hung out together before the existence of such an institution. So of course the nature of the fraternity is cliquey, but it is not immediately identifiable when you see a bunch of frat guys hitting up bars. However, when a group from the Asian Society or Asian fraternity goes out together, it is first and foremost skin colour that makes them an identifiable clique.

[FightWithMe]

With regards to the Chinese being genetically apathetic: cynically speaking (and this is cynical from the Asian pride perspective, not from a traditionally social perspective), so long as we outnumber them (Asia is about half the world population), they eventually become part of us, as opposed to the other way around. And Whites are nowhere near a majority in the world today. Between Chinese, Indians, and the rest of Asia, if everybody just did their own thang and married whomever they wanted, the world would end up more like us than them, anyway. So I guess it's not that bad. : D Cynically speaking, of course.

[AsianMilitia]

With regards to the Chinese being genetically apathetic: cynically speaking (and this is cynical from the Asian pride perspective, not from a traditionally social perspective), so long as we outnumber them (Asia is about half the world population), they eventually become part of us, as opposed to the other way around. And Whites are nowhere near a majority in the world today. Between Chinese, Indians, and the rest of Asia, if everybody just did their own thang and married whomever they wanted, the world would end up more like us than them, anyway. So I guess it's not that bad. : D Cynically speaking, of course.Keep in mind that when you say "just like us," "us" is extremely diverse. The continent of Asia makes up half the world's population, but Asia is also by far the largest and most diverse continent. Most of Russia's in Asia, so is Afghanistan, and MiddleEastern countries such as Israel and Turkey. To use the term "us" to describe everyone on the Asian continent is very vague, paticularly in the context of your statement. Because the many nations and cultures of Asia have absolutely no affinity or connection for nations/cultures on the other side of Asia. Maybe you're just thinking about East Asians, but in that case, East Asians are far from being 50% of the world's population.

[FightWithMe]

Hey, whassup.

True as that may be, we don't throw around the label "Asian pride" for nothing. The question you bring up is this: are Afghani-Americans included under the umbrella term "Asian-American"? Similarly for Russians, Turks, etc. What about the term Asian Pacific Island American (APIA)?

However, I see your point, and I raise you these two. First, even counting only East- and South-Asians, we are still 50% of the world population (including e.g. India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand, China, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, etc.). My point is that the world will look more like "Harold & Kumar" than "Misled Youth" or "Cockboy".

Second, although ambiguous and incorrect contextually, when I "feel" the word "us", I really mean anybody who isn't White/Aryan. This is because of the way our struggle in America is framed - ethnic American minorities against the majority Whites. My point is that in a global breeding war of attrition, they would have no hope.

[Yellow_Peril]

they eventually become part of us, as opposed to the other way around. .

a pretty hardcore native indian activist once told me that white people are eventually going to be extinct (at least the North American ones) .. that they're so used to fucking and breeding into other people's cultures that they'll eventually be absorbed into that culture.. it was an interesting comment.

imagine, give it a century... everyone in North America will be mixed..

[LovEyDuBB]

not everybody... 100 years from now.. my son/daughter could either be a hapa or full asian.. not everybody will be totally mixed

[FightWithMe]

Okay. And I could flip a coin and get 6 heads in a row.

[Anarchrist]

All groups are cliquish in college, dude. Just look at all the frats. How many black guys do you see in white frats? How many white guys do you see in black frats?

There are usually a few Blacks in traditionally White frats, just as there are usually a few Indians or East Asians. One of my Chinese friends is even in a Jewish frat.

However, there are no Whites in Black frats, because it is simply unspoken that they are not welcome. Not that I know of any East Asians in Black frats, either, but then I've never seen a Black dude in an Asian frat, similarly.
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Hence the model minority.

[FightWithMe]

How so?

[Dialectic]

Whassup Quartz, welcome to the 44s, glad to have you aboard. We're very cliquey too.

[watercrest]

This is not true. At other Asian forums, I see the majority are Chinese-Americans.

[Dialectic]

I was just kiddin' around; I just meant 44s has its own little cliques. Which is actually kinda true. But anyway we're not snobs and we include anyone who's respectul and wants to be here.

[Disciple4]

A few people mentioned that they were always mistaken for Chinese when they were actually not.

-Well it doesn't help when you have the media meshing the east asians together. Like i hear a lot of black folk say, "chinese" instead of using "asians". ex: Missy Elliot: "Black, puerto rican, chinese boys..."
-Also, I used to practice Tae Kwon Do, and every Tae Kwon Do gym i drive by, they put "KARATE" instead. And whenever i talk w/a non-asian person (s)he doesn't know the difference between kung fu, karate, and TKD and where each martial art is from. Its fucking infuriating.
-Lol and i complain about people not knowing where im from, i have a burmese friend, so i shouldn't complain.

[BitchOnWheels]

I hate getting mistaken for other ethnicities. People always seem to think Japanese or Chinese. Never Korean. And when someone asks my ethnicity and I tell them that's none of their business they start guessing at it. It's not a fucking game. :roll:

[kalbi]

My mom looks pretty Japanese too - it's more common than you think. It's mostly the Koreans from the southern provinces with that look - the Central and Northern Koreans tend to have the 'classic' Korean look.


She has a tiny, oval face, finely-pronounced but un-jutting cheekbones, long straight nose, and double-lidded eyes. I know that not all Japanese have these features (in fact, some look very Korean or Chinese or even Malay), but its common enough in Japan to call it a 'quasi-Japanese look'. My dad has a very typical Korean face - huge, square, single-lidded eyes, flat profile. I have my mom's face and a pronounced profile (not flat) with a raised nosebridge, and my dad's single lids.

[BitchOnWheels]

I don't think I look Japanese whatsoever. I don't know where people get that. Besides which, it's fine to think something about a stranger's ethnicity, but I don't see where they get the nerve to actually guess. What am I supposed to say? "Nope, wrong, you've got two more chances." :roll:

[kalbi]

You could just shoot them, you know. :lol: With a paint gun.

[AngryBystander]

I guess we just love to gamble. Didn't you know that we're all compulsive gamblers?


it's like, the dark side of me. i have gambling blood... and maybe it's a good thing that i have never set foot into a casino. :o