Mar 05, 2009

Vince Li Not Criminally Responsible


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Lopan was right; if you ever kill someone, start eating their organs and muttering like crazy! From CBC:

Greyhound bus killer found not criminally responsible
Last Updated: Thursday, March 5, 2009 | 10:56 AM CT

Vince Li has been found not criminally responsible for the unprovoked killing and beheading of fellow passenger Timothy McLean on a Greyhound bus last summer.

Manitoba Court of Queen’s Bench Judge John Scurfield said Thursday that Li, 40, could not be found guilty of murder and is not criminally responsible for the crime because he was mentally ill at the time of the killing.

“These grotesque acts are appalling… but are suggestive of a mental disorder,” the judge said.

“He did not appreciate the act he committed was wrong.”

Li had pleaded not guilty to a charge of second-degree murder. Psychiatric evidence at his trial suggested he is a schizophrenic who suffered a major psychotic episode last July 30 when he fatally stabbed McLean, 22, ate some of the body parts, and cut off McLean’s head.

For five hours after the killing, Li wandered around on the bus, from which passengers had fled along the Trans-Canada Highway, defiling the body while an RCMP tactical team waited to subdue him.

Rather than go to prison, Li will be kept in a secure psychiatric facility, most likely in Selkirk, Man.

McLean, a carnival worker, was returning home to Winnipeg on the bus from Edmonton. Listening to his iPod while sitting in the back row of Greyhound bus 1170, he gave Li a friendly greeting as the stranger sat down beside him.

Then, around 8:30 p.m. CT, when the bus was near Portage La Prairie, Man., Li pulled a buck knife from his side and began stabbing McLean — for no apparent reason, witnesses said. After passengers fled the bus, Li was barricaded inside the vehicle.

During the stabbing, Li was heard to say, “get emergency.” During the five-hour standoff, he walked around the bus carrying the severed head in one hand, the knife in the other. At one point, he threw McLean’s head into the bus’s stairwell.

When police finally subdued him, Li repeatedly said he was sorry but could not say what he was sorry for, officers said. He told police he had changed his name to Vince Day. And he said, “I’m guilty, please kill me.”

Psychiatrists testified Li was schizophrenic and suffering a major psychotic episode at the time of the killing.

Li heard voices from God telling him that McLean was an evil threat that needed to be eliminated, the psychiatrists said. Even after the killing, Li believed McLean might come back to life and threaten him. The psychiatrists testified Li fit the criteria for someone who was not criminally responsible for their actions due to mental illness.

That means he will be sent to a provincial psychiatric facility rather than to prison. He comes under the jurisdiction of Manitoba’s provincial review board, which will decide whether he poses a risk to the public. The review board has the power to keep Li locked up indefinitely or, if he is no longer considered a risk, discharge him.

McLean’s family had been lobbying for a change in the Criminal Code to prevent mentally ill killers from eventually being returned to the community. His mother, Carol de Delley, said after the ruling that she would do everything in her power to ensure Li is never released from secure custody.

“I think it’s ridiculous that we’ve not only had to endure this procedure but we get to endure it every year again for the rest of Mr. Li’s natural life,” de Delley said, describing Li as dangerous. She urged Canadians to lobby politicians for changes to the Criminal Code.

“Bear in mind, this isn’t going to be saving any of us, we’ve already had our loss,” she said. “It’s to save everybody else. And that’s been put on us now. And we sure as hell didn’t volunteer for that job, but it is ours now.”

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  1. #1

    minbo

    9:36 am | Mar 06, 2009

    While I agree that he is not and should not be criminally responsible for his actions, based upon current mental health technology, there is no way that I would EVER think that he was not a potential danger to society.

  2. #2

    Reprogress

    2:58 am | Mar 07, 2009

    The details to this case and has been intriguing and frightening to hear. For people who don’t understand schizophrenia and it’s effects on patients: People with this disease have uncontrollable voices in their heads and are highly paranoid. These voices alter their perceptions of reality as a result.

    It is worst when patients are away from their loved one (Vincent happened to be seeking work away from home, if he was close to his family they could have shaped him back to reality). As a result of being away, his voices were more vocal. In this case, he believed that the man next to him was trying to kill him. What would you were convinced that too?

    Throughout the web, many people are voicing their opinions on this case. Many bluntly wanting him to be executed. But if they knew just a little about schizophrenia, more will not think that.

    If he was at a state of reality and still castrated him, he deserves to be in jail. But he belongs in the hospital getting treatment from professional that understands him more. Regardless of his outcome, I have remorse for this killer when he fully realises what he did that one night. Clinicians who medicated him at the hospital said he still had episodes and continued talking to himself when given high doses. This guy is going to be in there for a long time if not for life. And can you imagine how people will treat him if he does get released?

    My heart goes out to the Tim’s family who had to lived with this. I wouldn’t want my loved ones to be near a person who is experiencing an episode as freakish as his. But even if we replaced the judges and clinician ten times over we will get the same result of him being not criminally responsible.

    Being a schizo is like being a celebrity. Can you imagine everybody assessing your every move? But the glamour is not there and there is no home or island vacations where you can escape it all.

    Sadly not enough is known about Schizophrenia. Those who study this condition still cannot find a solid conclusion. Patients being studied are acting on their voices. How accurate can you perform a study if you cannot control the factors (voices) at play?

    I think anyone who reads about this case should learn more about schizophrenia before forming an opinion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

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