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	<title>Comments on: Narcissism in the Asian American Community</title>
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		<title>By: pleiotroph</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/11/30/narcissism-in-the-asian-american-community/#comment-7892</link>
		<dc:creator>pleiotroph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economic comfort among many (but definitely not all) asian americans has lulled us, collectively into a complacent, second-place in society.  Economic comfort however has not brought social/community success.  And perhaps, assertively pushing identity politics or fighting for self-respect as an asian, probably seems to be avoided because it feels to be a threat to our complacent economically comfortable place in society.  --ie: Being marked a "radical" and talking about racism might hurt one's career.

IMO, the lasting undercurrent of American citizenship as an Asian, has been one of "white acceptance", not just measuring up to a "white standard".

It's still about being recognized as a "genuine" "non-conditional" American person, -- as opposed to being stereotyped by the national media as the "Other", and often as the "Antagonist", "Competitor" or "Enemy".

If we are not accepted non-conditionally, as individuals -- not as stereotypes, then there are many subtle hinderances deterring self-actualization, and political/social empowerment.

If assertiveness &#38; visibily protesting against negative asian stereotypes is too much to stomach, there is perhaps another, more effective way: parody, satire, and mockery of asian stereotypes.  Witticism may be a sharper weapon than radicalism, but it is intellectually &#38; creatively more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economic comfort among many (but definitely not all) asian americans has lulled us, collectively into a complacent, second-place in society.  Economic comfort however has not brought social/community success.  And perhaps, assertively pushing identity politics or fighting for self-respect as an asian, probably seems to be avoided because it feels to be a threat to our complacent economically comfortable place in society.  &#8211;ie: Being marked a &#8220;radical&#8221; and talking about racism might hurt one&#8217;s career.</p>
<p>IMO, the lasting undercurrent of American citizenship as an Asian, has been one of &#8220;white acceptance&#8221;, not just measuring up to a &#8220;white standard&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still about being recognized as a &#8220;genuine&#8221; &#8220;non-conditional&#8221; American person, &#8212; as opposed to being stereotyped by the national media as the &#8220;Other&#8221;, and often as the &#8220;Antagonist&#8221;, &#8220;Competitor&#8221; or &#8220;Enemy&#8221;.</p>
<p>If we are not accepted non-conditionally, as individuals &#8212; not as stereotypes, then there are many subtle hinderances deterring self-actualization, and political/social empowerment.</p>
<p>If assertiveness &amp; visibily protesting against negative asian stereotypes is too much to stomach, there is perhaps another, more effective way: parody, satire, and mockery of asian stereotypes.  Witticism may be a sharper weapon than radicalism, but it is intellectually &amp; creatively more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: missjosephine</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/11/30/narcissism-in-the-asian-american-community/#comment-7891</link>
		<dc:creator>missjosephine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm reading this way later than everybody else, so i'm not caught up on all of the comments.  i just wanted to say thank you, nightshade, for a great article.  it's nice to be able to stop and reflect on what it means to be for anything, or fight for anything, especially when it can become so easy in the 'fighting for' stage to either lose sight of the original spirit of what you're trying to attain, or to subvert or tarnish it through the way we are trying to achieve it.  anyway, i enjoyed this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m reading this way later than everybody else, so i&#8217;m not caught up on all of the comments.  i just wanted to say thank you, nightshade, for a great article.  it&#8217;s nice to be able to stop and reflect on what it means to be for anything, or fight for anything, especially when it can become so easy in the &#8216;fighting for&#8217; stage to either lose sight of the original spirit of what you&#8217;re trying to attain, or to subvert or tarnish it through the way we are trying to achieve it.  anyway, i enjoyed this post.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/11/30/narcissism-in-the-asian-american-community/#comment-7847</link>
		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By basics I meant having food, shelter, clothing, etc. 

I wish by basics I meant healthy self image and self esteem--but unfortunately, that doesn't necessarily happen even when we bountiful resources and amazing privileges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By basics I meant having food, shelter, clothing, etc. </p>
<p>I wish by basics I meant healthy self image and self esteem&#8211;but unfortunately, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily happen even when we bountiful resources and amazing privileges.</p>
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		<title>By: aznbro</title>
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		<dc:creator>aznbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; If you want that, we can do it for you. Call it a belated Christmas present. Let me round up a couple of bitches and we’ll make you cry, free of charge.
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Haha. Down boy, DOWN!

So what is in your "basics" list that you've got covered anyways? Seeing that so many AA sites are sausage-fests, I don't think everyone is so lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> If you want that, we can do it for you. Call it a belated Christmas present. Let me round up a couple of bitches and we’ll make you cry, free of charge.
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<p>Haha. Down boy, DOWN!</p>
<p>So what is in your &#8220;basics&#8221; list that you&#8217;ve got covered anyways? Seeing that so many AA sites are sausage-fests, I don&#8217;t think everyone is so lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/11/30/narcissism-in-the-asian-american-community/#comment-7843</link>
		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Either way what kind of self interest acts are people engaging in that they are considering noble?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To put it at the most base and crude level, for example: getting pussy or dick isn't activism. This goes for the Asian American women who think their interracial relationships make the world a better and more equal place, as well as for the Asian American men who think that banging a blonde chick elevates the status and well being of Asian Americans everywhere.

For instance, it's kind of laughable to equate getting white people to fuck us with a group like the Black Panthers. Throwing around the word "activism" for various activities related to our own personal interests and pleasures kind of devalues it, don't you think? We have the right to seek out and pursue whatever we wish to pursue--but all I am saying is that we shouldn't think of every single thing we do as activist work. We're back to this: dude, sleeping and eating is not activism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Either way what kind of self interest acts are people engaging in that they are considering noble?</p></blockquote>
<p>To put it at the most base and crude level, for example: getting pussy or dick isn&#8217;t activism. This goes for the Asian American women who think their interracial relationships make the world a better and more equal place, as well as for the Asian American men who think that banging a blonde chick elevates the status and well being of Asian Americans everywhere.</p>
<p>For instance, it&#8217;s kind of laughable to equate getting white people to fuck us with a group like the Black Panthers. Throwing around the word &#8220;activism&#8221; for various activities related to our own personal interests and pleasures kind of devalues it, don&#8217;t you think? We have the right to seek out and pursue whatever we wish to pursue&#8211;but all I am saying is that we shouldn&#8217;t think of every single thing we do as activist work. We&#8217;re back to this: dude, sleeping and eating is not activism.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh c’mon nightshade. If I made a crack like that to you, I’d be gang-tackled so viciously I wouldn’t be able to post for a month!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you want that, we can do it for you. Call it a belated Christmas present. Let me round up a couple of bitches and we'll make you cry, free of charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh c’mon nightshade. If I made a crack like that to you, I’d be gang-tackled so viciously I wouldn’t be able to post for a month!</p></blockquote>
<p>If you want that, we can do it for you. Call it a belated Christmas present. Let me round up a couple of bitches and we&#8217;ll make you cry, free of charge.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/11/30/narcissism-in-the-asian-american-community/#comment-7841</link>
		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s hard to accomplish very much unless those two activities are included in one’s every day routine, no?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do those two things relate to having self awareness when it comes to our desires and goals for Asian American life? When we have the basics covered, like I said in the original post, it's important to know what we want, and to examine whether what we want is damaging to our community. For instance, there is never going to be a proper movement that accomplishes very much if we spend all day wondering how we can make white people love us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s hard to accomplish very much unless those two activities are included in one’s every day routine, no?</p></blockquote>
<p>How do those two things relate to having self awareness when it comes to our desires and goals for Asian American life? When we have the basics covered, like I said in the original post, it&#8217;s important to know what we want, and to examine whether what we want is damaging to our community. For instance, there is never going to be a proper movement that accomplishes very much if we spend all day wondering how we can make white people love us.</p>
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		<title>By: HurricaneSteve</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/11/30/narcissism-in-the-asian-american-community/#comment-7840</link>
		<dc:creator>HurricaneSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either way what kind of self interest acts are people engaging in that they are considering noble?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either way what kind of self interest acts are people engaging in that they are considering noble?</p>
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		<title>By: aznbro</title>
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		<dc:creator>aznbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh c'mon nightshade. If I made a crack like that to you, I'd be gang-tackled so viciously I wouldn't be able to post for a month!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh c&#8217;mon nightshade. If I made a crack like that to you, I&#8217;d be gang-tackled so viciously I wouldn&#8217;t be able to post for a month!</p>
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		<title>By: HurricaneSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>HurricaneSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's hard to accomplish very much unless those two activities are included in one's every day routine, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to accomplish very much unless those two activities are included in one&#8217;s every day routine, no?</p>
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