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	<title>Comments on: Roundtable Discussion with the Asian Playboy</title>
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		<title>By: Better Asian Man: Jaehwan&#8217;s Official Review &#124; big WOWO</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/07/22/roundtable-discussion-with-the-asian-playboy/#comment-7464</link>
		<dc:creator>Better Asian Man: Jaehwan&#8217;s Official Review &#124; big WOWO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seen my discussions of PUA, or Pick Up Artistry, for Asian American men.  You may have heard my Fallout Central podcast where I spoke with the Asian Playboy, the first person to racialize PUA for Asian Americans, or you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seen my discussions of PUA, or Pick Up Artistry, for Asian American men.  You may have heard my Fallout Central podcast where I spoke with the Asian Playboy, the first person to racialize PUA for Asian Americans, or you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/07/22/roundtable-discussion-with-the-asian-playboy/#comment-6935</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;2. Do not talk about feminism on a date. If you do talk about feminism on a date, do not mention anything about, “Does this mean you don’t shave your armpits.” Or, “You’re so pwned because you want children!”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don't mention the word "feminism", but it's okay to bring up feminist ideals or critiques on the patriarchy - but only if you really mean it.

Oh, and the usual PUA tricks will get you hot women, but not good women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2. Do not talk about feminism on a date. If you do talk about feminism on a date, do not mention anything about, “Does this mean you don’t shave your armpits.” Or, “You’re so pwned because you want children!”</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t mention the word &#8220;feminism&#8221;, but it&#8217;s okay to bring up feminist ideals or critiques on the patriarchy - but only if you really mean it.</p>
<p>Oh, and the usual PUA tricks will get you hot women, but not good women.</p>
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		<title>By: kwak76</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/07/22/roundtable-discussion-with-the-asian-playboy/#comment-6933</link>
		<dc:creator>kwak76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evil,

sometimes you lose me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evil,</p>
<p>sometimes you lose me.</p>
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		<title>By: evil_FUX</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/07/22/roundtable-discussion-with-the-asian-playboy/#comment-6926</link>
		<dc:creator>evil_FUX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kwak, I don't think anyone wants to take these guys' ability to explore their sexuality. With that said...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwak, I don&#8217;t think anyone wants to take these guys&#8217; ability to explore their sexuality. With that said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nskripchun</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/07/22/roundtable-discussion-with-the-asian-playboy/#comment-6921</link>
		<dc:creator>nskripchun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;Nightshade’s free tips on how to get the girl:

Sounds like NS ready to have a bootcamp and start making some MONEY!  Though, if it's in Canadian dollars, all us folks here in the good 'ol USA are screwed.

But yeah... interesting comments everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Nightshade’s free tips on how to get the girl:</p>
<p>Sounds like NS ready to have a bootcamp and start making some MONEY!  Though, if it&#8217;s in Canadian dollars, all us folks here in the good &#8216;ol USA are screwed.</p>
<p>But yeah&#8230; interesting comments everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: kwak76</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/07/22/roundtable-discussion-with-the-asian-playboy/#comment-6919</link>
		<dc:creator>kwak76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have to add it is part of development for some of these guys. Once they have the sexual confidence and been with women. They slow down and start looking at things deeper. 

It's kind of like you have a young frat boy in college sleeping around with different woman and acting like a pig but eventually grows out of it. I mean some cases they don't grow out of it but many do. 

It same thing with these guys who took the boot camp. At first they feel so liberated because they never done this before . Sow their wild oats but realize that it's just superficial and grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have to add it is part of development for some of these guys. Once they have the sexual confidence and been with women. They slow down and start looking at things deeper. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like you have a young frat boy in college sleeping around with different woman and acting like a pig but eventually grows out of it. I mean some cases they don&#8217;t grow out of it but many do. </p>
<p>It same thing with these guys who took the boot camp. At first they feel so liberated because they never done this before . Sow their wild oats but realize that it&#8217;s just superficial and grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: kwak76</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/07/22/roundtable-discussion-with-the-asian-playboy/#comment-6918</link>
		<dc:creator>kwak76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>buttermilkwiseman,

"But I realized it hardly matters at this point, because I doubt 98.9% of the AA community has even heard of APB, let alone give a crap."

Depending upon the age group your talking to I think the younger AA community probably  never even heard Asian activist like Frank Chin or even know what a Kingston is. Heck if I go out in the street now and grab 10 Asian people and ask them have you heard of the 44's or model minority? I bet many never heard of these sites to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>buttermilkwiseman,</p>
<p>&#8220;But I realized it hardly matters at this point, because I doubt 98.9% of the AA community has even heard of APB, let alone give a crap.&#8221;</p>
<p>Depending upon the age group your talking to I think the younger AA community probably  never even heard Asian activist like Frank Chin or even know what a Kingston is. Heck if I go out in the street now and grab 10 Asian people and ask them have you heard of the 44&#8217;s or model minority? I bet many never heard of these sites to.</p>
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		<title>By: kwak76</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwak76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"From a social standpoint, this is why a focus on intellectual and artistic endeavors yields greater results than anything pick-up related." 

  Jaehwan

I remember from the pod-cast that Jaehwan said something in subject  of  a intellectual development and that Asian man have to tell their "stories" for people to better understand the issues that faces Asian men. I remember way back in College picking up a book called "Where the Body Meets Memory: An Odyssey of Race , Sexuality and Identity ", written by Asian author David Mura. 

 I read most of the book but could not finish it because it hit so close to home. For those of you that never read it I advise you to get it and you might understand the Asian American man story better. 

Now before someone tell me that David Mura story is only his I have to remind you that he experience the same  identity confusion  and sexual issue that many Asian American men experience  at one  time or the other.  

 When I mean by sexual issues   I don't mean by being straight or gay but what I mean by is being a sexual being or not. In  America Asian men are not consider a sexual being and in many ways and in a hurtful way  Asian women  also accepts this belief and  therefore rejects Asian men. 

David Mura in his book tries to find his sexual self by either going after white women or trying to fit into the asexual role that was handed to him. Read the book to better understand what I mean. 

Within the Asian American community I think we have a dysfunction and the root cause is sexuality and again I don't mean by being gay or straight. 

What I see APB offering is helping Asian men finding the confidence within themselves to express their sexual self. In other words it's OK for Asian men to do the fucking. I agree with Will that it is low brow and can be tacky but at the same time liberating. 

Some of you may disagree with me but I still meet a fair number of Asian American men who accepts the role that was handed to them. In other words the asexual role. I meet Asian guys who are college graduate and have good job and money but never been with a woman. 

I do agree with Jaehwan that some of these guys that took the boot camp may become overkill with their experience and post their sexual experience with a lack of respect to woman. However, for some of these guys it's like a kid who never had candy before and all of sudden is in a candy store. 

Just maybe activism is too strong a word for what APB is offering but I don't see nothing else out there that has to address the dysfunction that Asian American men have regarding sexual confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From a social standpoint, this is why a focus on intellectual and artistic endeavors yields greater results than anything pick-up related.&#8221; </p>
<p>  Jaehwan</p>
<p>I remember from the pod-cast that Jaehwan said something in subject  of  a intellectual development and that Asian man have to tell their &#8220;stories&#8221; for people to better understand the issues that faces Asian men. I remember way back in College picking up a book called &#8220;Where the Body Meets Memory: An Odyssey of Race , Sexuality and Identity &#8220;, written by Asian author David Mura. </p>
<p> I read most of the book but could not finish it because it hit so close to home. For those of you that never read it I advise you to get it and you might understand the Asian American man story better. </p>
<p>Now before someone tell me that David Mura story is only his I have to remind you that he experience the same  identity confusion  and sexual issue that many Asian American men experience  at one  time or the other.  </p>
<p> When I mean by sexual issues   I don&#8217;t mean by being straight or gay but what I mean by is being a sexual being or not. In  America Asian men are not consider a sexual being and in many ways and in a hurtful way  Asian women  also accepts this belief and  therefore rejects Asian men. </p>
<p>David Mura in his book tries to find his sexual self by either going after white women or trying to fit into the asexual role that was handed to him. Read the book to better understand what I mean. </p>
<p>Within the Asian American community I think we have a dysfunction and the root cause is sexuality and again I don&#8217;t mean by being gay or straight. </p>
<p>What I see APB offering is helping Asian men finding the confidence within themselves to express their sexual self. In other words it&#8217;s OK for Asian men to do the fucking. I agree with Will that it is low brow and can be tacky but at the same time liberating. </p>
<p>Some of you may disagree with me but I still meet a fair number of Asian American men who accepts the role that was handed to them. In other words the asexual role. I meet Asian guys who are college graduate and have good job and money but never been with a woman. </p>
<p>I do agree with Jaehwan that some of these guys that took the boot camp may become overkill with their experience and post their sexual experience with a lack of respect to woman. However, for some of these guys it&#8217;s like a kid who never had candy before and all of sudden is in a candy store. </p>
<p>Just maybe activism is too strong a word for what APB is offering but I don&#8217;t see nothing else out there that has to address the dysfunction that Asian American men have regarding sexual confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha, I meant "hair on your face" in point one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha, I meant &#8220;hair on your face&#8221; in point one.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nightshade's free tips on how to get the girl:

1. Bathe every day. If you have facial hair, spend some time trimming. If a chick is going to groom her vagina, you'd better be willing to make the face on your face look cared for.

2. Do not talk about feminism on a date. If you do talk about feminism on a date, do not mention anything about, "Does this mean you don't shave your armpits." Or, "You're so pwned because you want children!"

3. Have something interesting to say. This requires having actual interests besides getting pussy. If pussy is your main goal, stick to loud clubs with low lighting and have a large supply of condoms on hand. For all other guys, read a book. Join Toastmasters if you're afraid of public speaking. (LOL, I met a Chinese Malay with a white girlfriend at a wedding the other day--so it worked for him. It could work for you too.)

4. Build on what you have. This is not BE YOURSELF, but enhance the best parts of yourself. It's like writing a resume or going on a job interview: what are your best points and how can you get this across when you meet a girl without coming off as arrogant? This does not mean you should go up to a girl and say, "I make 100K a year. I have a giant dick!" Use your brain and judgement and really be honest with yourself when you're thinking about what's great about you.

5. Study how men who girls love carry themselves. I recommend apeing the methods of Jay Chou. Granted, I am biased because I love Jay Chou. But seriously, watch how he does shy and quiet in Andrew Lau's Initial D and you'll see a master at work. I mean, even in shitty Taiwanese gangster clothes, he looks wicked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gNDOmc0J3w

That, my friends, is just diao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nightshade&#8217;s free tips on how to get the girl:</p>
<p>1. Bathe every day. If you have facial hair, spend some time trimming. If a chick is going to groom her vagina, you&#8217;d better be willing to make the face on your face look cared for.</p>
<p>2. Do not talk about feminism on a date. If you do talk about feminism on a date, do not mention anything about, &#8220;Does this mean you don&#8217;t shave your armpits.&#8221; Or, &#8220;You&#8217;re so pwned because you want children!&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Have something interesting to say. This requires having actual interests besides getting pussy. If pussy is your main goal, stick to loud clubs with low lighting and have a large supply of condoms on hand. For all other guys, read a book. Join Toastmasters if you&#8217;re afraid of public speaking. (LOL, I met a Chinese Malay with a white girlfriend at a wedding the other day&#8211;so it worked for him. It could work for you too.)</p>
<p>4. Build on what you have. This is not BE YOURSELF, but enhance the best parts of yourself. It&#8217;s like writing a resume or going on a job interview: what are your best points and how can you get this across when you meet a girl without coming off as arrogant? This does not mean you should go up to a girl and say, &#8220;I make 100K a year. I have a giant dick!&#8221; Use your brain and judgement and really be honest with yourself when you&#8217;re thinking about what&#8217;s great about you.</p>
<p>5. Study how men who girls love carry themselves. I recommend apeing the methods of Jay Chou. Granted, I am biased because I love Jay Chou. But seriously, watch how he does shy and quiet in Andrew Lau&#8217;s Initial D and you&#8217;ll see a master at work. I mean, even in shitty Taiwanese gangster clothes, he looks wicked:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gNDOmc0J3w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gNDOmc0J3w</a></p>
<p>That, my friends, is just diao.</p>
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