Aznbro, I just pm’ed you in the forum section regarding the way to use the blockquote function. I’d type it here, but unfortunately if I did that, it would blockquote. :)

I’m not sure if AA women just feel more comfortable berating Asian men because it’s either socially acceptable to do so or because, since they’re Asian, they feel it’s their legit right to correct their own community.

I think there would be a lot less yelling and screaming if we try to remember that both genders have some very deep-rooted grievances against the opposite sex.
As an AM I’m not as upset by the frequency of public attacks on AM by AF (such as youtube videos of the title “Why I don’t date AMs”) but by the absence of AFs coming to our defence. Often, it is some BF or WF that will take the extra time to rebuke the original message. I see all too often, however, how quick some AF are to come to the aid of WM when they are criticized.
On the AF side, I’d imagine I’d get pissed off too if AM constantly lumped me in with the other AF auto-racists even though I have time and again espressed my full support for AMs.

My first post was just to point out that many AA women seem to focus so much on sexism coming from Asian men while either staying quiet, ignoring, or in extreme cases, apologists towards white male sexism.

I’m not sure if AA women just feel more comfortable berating Asian men because it’s either socially acceptable to do so or because, since they’re Asian, they feel it’s their legit right to correct their own community.

I know I’m going to catch fire for this but I’m going to say it anyway. Alot of the issues that AAs face are either ignored or perpetuated by AAs themselves. The problem is that the community is scatterbrained because of these divisions.

Honestly, what AA activism has achieved so far is nothing short of amazing considering.

First of all, I still stand by my original statement about Kingstonism. People can disagree with me–I’m cool with that–but no one has yet refuted it. Still, my post may have been inflammatory because of the “Asian American Feminist” reference, and so I’ll remove that. This blog post turned out to be about something other than feminism anyway, and after thinking it through, I’m angered at the racism more than the feminism.

Second, when I first read Sargasso’s post, I thought it was accusatory because of the statement “I find it extremely problematic that you, as a male, have taken it upon yourself to decide what constitutes “real” and “fake” feminism.” I thought it was accusatory because it focused on my maleness rather than my logic, and it’s a valid point, although it makes it hard for me to defend myself since I am male. Some of the men on this site may have felt the same way, which probably started the gender battle (well, actually I started it by putting the word “feminist” in the title.). Sargasso’s statement was not inflammatory, but it sounded that way because there was no follow up on the logic of my statements.

Third, none of the guys here have been mm-ish–at least I don’t think so. No one has called anyone a CCB or any of those other derogatory names. They’ve referenced Kingstonians, many of whom do act the way they say, but I don’t think they were inflammatory either; they were just expressing their anger at unfair treatment that, unfortunately, does take place, which was triggered by Sargasso’s “male” statement, which was triggered by my use of the word “feminist.”

So my bad.

Thank you all for posting here: Sargasso, Caocao, urb4N, Jade, shades, xian, bgirl,kimtae, kwak, aznbro, and anyone else I’ve left out. I think we’re all on the same side. I’m glad that we’ve brought some of these issues out, and I hope we can continue speaking respecfully with each other.

By the way, aznbro says succinctly what I was trying to say. I don’t think we necessarily need to demonize people, but we do have to acknowledge dangerous philosophies that have influenced our culture. I’ll say more about this later. If we disagree, I hope we can do so respectfully.

so only the “kingstonians” feel AF can assimilate and relate culturally with the dominant culture and that AAM who grew up in the same environment are still the inscrutable foreigners as perpetuated by countless racist medias?

although i do not deny that sexism exists with OWAMs, both historically and even today, but why is that AAMs who are culturally the same as AAFs still labeled with the racist inscrutable foreigner stereotype?

and again, why is that sexism with the mainstream WM population not frowned upon, but only OWAM sexism is dissed at?

have anyone even seen Borat with the “young US&A scholars” in their cross country studies in a trailer and the things they said about women?

where’s the outrage?

especially against JV&Elvis type of WM comments against AAFs? and why is it that Natasha Yi “kingstonians” so quick to defend WM sexism against AAFs?

the best we can all do is to “agree to disagree” there are some severe problems with the asian-american gender divide.

but suffice to say from the amount of posts on this topic and previous ones that there is a serious rift politically between most asian men and women, and that’s a shame, because it’s the colonial masters that win ultimately.

however, the point here is that everybody’s guilty for perpetuating the “gender gap” and everybody’s responsible for mending fences.

as much i’ve been called out here as a typical AM sexists who aborts female fetuses and footbinds women (or strongly implied from the tone of voice), are the self-proclaimed feminists any better in trying to understand the “crazy MM-ites” position or are they equally guilty of making judgments and crying “evil AM patriarchy” soon as they read criticism?

and for what it’s worth, if these “enlightened feminists who aren’t kingstonians” feel they’re so far away and above the inherent hypocrisy of the “kingstonian” camp, then what’s the problem denouncing that racist and sexist camp of false hijacked feminist ideology?

what i’m reading is that we AM are evil for choosing a moniker that’s conveniently named “kingstonian” and are all patriarchs for labeling all asian feminist women as “kingstonains.” where then is the voice to prove otherwise that 3rd, 4th, 5th,… nth wave AF feminism has proudly and loudly denounced the shackles of racist and sexist “kingstonian” “feminism?”

if nobody identifies with “kingstonian” and are upset with merely the name, then where’s the outcry against the false feminist ideology embedded with that camp?

instead, all we get is the same version of if AM speak out against the racist and sexist “kingstonian” ideologies then we’re labeled evil AM patriarchs because we don’t understand the AF.

all the meanwhile, WM are given free passes and yet they’re the ones who perpetuate the current system of racist and sexist social problems for AF.

but nothing is done to at least denounce the current status quo of racist post(neo)-colonial gender inequalities for AF as caused by the white male dominated society.

and again, we go into this infinite loop about AM sexism and patriarchy for making a label “kingstonian” and the pointless semantic arguments thereof.

and everybody wonders why there’s such problems with AM and AF in the first place?

Nightshade knows about your secret desire for a blonde white girl!

It’s even more stupid to whip out your cock and tape measure, and ask “what have YOU done for the CAUSE?!” as if you were the arbiter of what it is to be a righteous activist. This is the internet and no one needs to prove their credentials to you when there’s actual work to be done in real life.