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		<title>By: jaehwan</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/05/31/obama-quits-church/#comment-6361</link>
		<dc:creator>jaehwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Republicans sometimes do get into their own religious problems.  Look at McCain and his relationship with &lt;a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/mccain-rejects-hagee-backing-as-nazi-remarks-surface/?hp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hagee&lt;/a&gt;.  He had to reject Hagee's endorsement, and if McCain went to Hagee's church, he'd probably have to quit too.

As for other Repubs, they openly believe some of the offensive stuff coming out of their churches.  I wouldn't be surprised if Bush's church had some anti-Islam tendencies because Bush himself isn't exactly a fount of tolerance when it comes to non-Christian religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Republicans sometimes do get into their own religious problems.  Look at McCain and his relationship with <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/mccain-rejects-hagee-backing-as-nazi-remarks-surface/?hp" rel="nofollow">Hagee</a>.  He had to reject Hagee&#8217;s endorsement, and if McCain went to Hagee&#8217;s church, he&#8217;d probably have to quit too.</p>
<p>As for other Repubs, they openly believe some of the offensive stuff coming out of their churches.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Bush&#8217;s church had some anti-Islam tendencies because Bush himself isn&#8217;t exactly a fount of tolerance when it comes to non-Christian religions.</p>
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		<title>By: DONKEY</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/05/31/obama-quits-church/#comment-6359</link>
		<dc:creator>DONKEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do any of the republicans have to quit their churches for their campaigns? there is plenty that go on in those churches to offend people but you never see it being a controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do any of the republicans have to quit their churches for their campaigns? there is plenty that go on in those churches to offend people but you never see it being a controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: jaehwan</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/05/31/obama-quits-church/#comment-6349</link>
		<dc:creator>jaehwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nycjoc:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I may agree with you Jaehwan but he should have tried educating people who thought that way and not try to sell some statement that things are different so don’t believe the hype. If there is a history of the US doing or being complacent in the harming of Blacks folks then he should have address it why that is not the case and saying things have changed doesn’t cut. (Particularly at his church since it was his church family.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is where the politics comes into play and also where he's probably feeling something without saying it.  In this case, I think he has to just sit and take it without being too conspicuous.  After he is elected, he can say something, but before then, it'll just drive wedges between the races, even if Obama is right, and then he'll lose, which won't give him the opportunity to do what he is capable of.

I've been bragging about reading an 800 page book on Abraham Lincoln, and Lincoln's situation was much the same.  While it isn't clear whether Lincoln saw black people as equal to whites, it was pretty clear throughout his career that he wanted to get rid of slavery.  He was planning to announce the Emancipation Proclamation for a long time because it was what he truly believed, but he knew that it was political suicide to do so without gaining some momentum, so he waited until the Union army won a major battle (Antietam) before announcing.  The whole time, people like Salmon Chase and other members of his Cabinet were shouting at him and telling him to do something, but he kept waiting until he knew he could win it.

For Obama, I think the presidential victory is his major victory, and even then, he probably will have to wait before getting really serious about discussing race.  Yes, it's kind of jacked up and unfair, but it's the way democratic politics often works.  Politicians need to move lots of people at one time, and sometimes it takes a bit of momentum before everyone can jump on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nycjoc:</p>
<blockquote><p>I may agree with you Jaehwan but he should have tried educating people who thought that way and not try to sell some statement that things are different so don’t believe the hype. If there is a history of the US doing or being complacent in the harming of Blacks folks then he should have address it why that is not the case and saying things have changed doesn’t cut. (Particularly at his church since it was his church family.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This is where the politics comes into play and also where he&#8217;s probably feeling something without saying it.  In this case, I think he has to just sit and take it without being too conspicuous.  After he is elected, he can say something, but before then, it&#8217;ll just drive wedges between the races, even if Obama is right, and then he&#8217;ll lose, which won&#8217;t give him the opportunity to do what he is capable of.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been bragging about reading an 800 page book on Abraham Lincoln, and Lincoln&#8217;s situation was much the same.  While it isn&#8217;t clear whether Lincoln saw black people as equal to whites, it was pretty clear throughout his career that he wanted to get rid of slavery.  He was planning to announce the Emancipation Proclamation for a long time because it was what he truly believed, but he knew that it was political suicide to do so without gaining some momentum, so he waited until the Union army won a major battle (Antietam) before announcing.  The whole time, people like Salmon Chase and other members of his Cabinet were shouting at him and telling him to do something, but he kept waiting until he knew he could win it.</p>
<p>For Obama, I think the presidential victory is his major victory, and even then, he probably will have to wait before getting really serious about discussing race.  Yes, it&#8217;s kind of jacked up and unfair, but it&#8217;s the way democratic politics often works.  Politicians need to move lots of people at one time, and sometimes it takes a bit of momentum before everyone can jump on board.</p>
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		<title>By: nycjoc</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/05/31/obama-quits-church/#comment-6344</link>
		<dc:creator>nycjoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant:  
He should have addressed it. and then explained why...

...Nightshade, he shouldn't have to quit his church...

...in elections to...

...he is not a scary...

Sorry rushing at work.  I'll be careful next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant:<br />
He should have addressed it. and then explained why&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Nightshade, he shouldn&#8217;t have to quit his church&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;in elections to&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;he is not a scary&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry rushing at work.  I&#8217;ll be careful next time.</p>
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		<title>By: nycjoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>nycjoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may agree with you Jaehwan but he should have tried educating people who thought that way and not try to sell some statement that things are different so don't believe the hype.  If there is a history of the US doing or being complacent in the harming of Blacks folks then he should have address it why that is not the case and saying things have changed doesn't cut. (Particularly at his church since it was his church family.)

And I'm with Nightshade he should have to quit his church over politics but that's what happens when there is a religious test for candidates. (I am so sick of religion being used in elections measure the morality of a person running for office.)  I think my biggest problem with this is how it was perceived by my family and I know more than a few black folks; he left his church to make white folks feel more comfy.  They know its part of the game but it still leaves a nasty taste in their mouth. 
	
I saw something like this coming though because he has to look like he is a scary Negro to be elected.  Hence why we get this nice little conversation of him being post racial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may agree with you Jaehwan but he should have tried educating people who thought that way and not try to sell some statement that things are different so don&#8217;t believe the hype.  If there is a history of the US doing or being complacent in the harming of Blacks folks then he should have address it why that is not the case and saying things have changed doesn&#8217;t cut. (Particularly at his church since it was his church family.)</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m with Nightshade he should have to quit his church over politics but that&#8217;s what happens when there is a religious test for candidates. (I am so sick of religion being used in elections measure the morality of a person running for office.)  I think my biggest problem with this is how it was perceived by my family and I know more than a few black folks; he left his church to make white folks feel more comfy.  They know its part of the game but it still leaves a nasty taste in their mouth. </p>
<p>I saw something like this coming though because he has to look like he is a scary Negro to be elected.  Hence why we get this nice little conversation of him being post racial.</p>
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		<title>By: jaehwan</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/05/31/obama-quits-church/#comment-6339</link>
		<dc:creator>jaehwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think that Obama definitely had to quit his church to stay competitive in the race, I think it's also true that Obama had some strong personal issues with what was coming out of that pulpit, i.e. he wasn't comfortable with the idea that whites used AIDS to destroy black people.  I think he feels that the rhetoric had some historic reasons for existing, but that it's no longer a valid way to see the world.  So I think it's political AND personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think that Obama definitely had to quit his church to stay competitive in the race, I think it&#8217;s also true that Obama had some strong personal issues with what was coming out of that pulpit, i.e. he wasn&#8217;t comfortable with the idea that whites used AIDS to destroy black people.  I think he feels that the rhetoric had some historic reasons for existing, but that it&#8217;s no longer a valid way to see the world.  So I think it&#8217;s political AND personal.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama shouldn't have had to quit his church in order to stay competitive in his campaign. What bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama shouldn&#8217;t have had to quit his church in order to stay competitive in his campaign. What bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: SamuraiJack</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/05/31/obama-quits-church/#comment-6327</link>
		<dc:creator>SamuraiJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama did the right thing.  I'm surprised at the lack of judgment displayed by his former pastor and his church though.

On the other hand, if every church was as entertaining as Obama's, I'd probably be going to church every weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama did the right thing.  I&#8217;m surprised at the lack of judgment displayed by his former pastor and his church though.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if every church was as entertaining as Obama&#8217;s, I&#8217;d probably be going to church every weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: DONKEY</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONKEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that he should have to quit the church in order to help his campaign is an annoying and stupid aspect of politics. i agree with what rev wright said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that he should have to quit the church in order to help his campaign is an annoying and stupid aspect of politics. i agree with what rev wright said.</p>
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