<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Free Sex for Rice Chasers: A Review of Free Food for Millionaires by Min Jin Lee</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/</link>
	<description>Uniting the Asian Conscience</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: My next Amazon purchase (along with the aforementioned Secret Identities) &#124; big WOWO</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-8054</link>
		<dc:creator>My next Amazon purchase (along with the aforementioned Secret Identities) &#124; big WOWO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-8054</guid>
		<description>[...] From the description, it seems highly unlikely to be another Free Sex for Rice Chasers where the Asian guy is just a foil to emphasize positive characteristics of the white male [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From the description, it seems highly unlikely to be another Free Sex for Rice Chasers where the Asian guy is just a foil to emphasize positive characteristics of the white male [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: The Fighting 44s &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 44&#8217;s on Fallout Central (part 3) / Announcing part 4</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-6082</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fighting 44s &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 44&#8217;s on Fallout Central (part 3) / Announcing part 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-6082</guid>
		<description>[...] Part I was our discussion on 80/20, Part II was 44&#8217;s vs. Reappropriate, and Part III was yesterday, where I discussed &#8220;Free Food for Millionaires.&#8221;  Hear the full interview here.  See my previous 44&#8217;s article here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Part I was our discussion on 80/20, Part II was 44&#8217;s vs. Reappropriate, and Part III was yesterday, where I discussed &#8220;Free Food for Millionaires.&#8221;  Hear the full interview here.  See my previous 44&#8217;s article here. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: evil_FUX</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5968</link>
		<dc:creator>evil_FUX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5968</guid>
		<description>I finally read this front page post and I just gotta say thanks Jaehwan in sparing me from reading a shitty book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally read this front page post and I just gotta say thanks Jaehwan in sparing me from reading a shitty book.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Xian</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5962</link>
		<dc:creator>Xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5962</guid>
		<description>Well, we'll talk more. I would just say that "Right makes Might" but that strategic right makes stronger magnitude of might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we&#8217;ll talk more. I would just say that &#8220;Right makes Might&#8221; but that strategic right makes stronger magnitude of might.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jaehwan</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5956</link>
		<dc:creator>jaehwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5956</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Your title won’t only alienate Kingstonians, it’ll alienate many actual feminists. It’ll alienate people who haven’t made a decision yet on angry asian men and why we are angry.

Of course, our activism shouldn’t start with those uninterested in our movement at all. But it has to start somewhere and alienating potential allies is not a good place to start.

I mean, what has your title accomplished so far? It’s gotten us to spend a lot of time we could be strategizing on arguing the merits of an inflammatory title ;P&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Xian,

I just sent an e-mail to your yahoo account.

So basically, I think there are two functions of a provocative title.

1. It brings in "moderates" who are interested in hearing a different perspective.  These "moderates" are actively looking for something different, but they don't have access to ideas that are different.  The provocative title immediately identifies the article as being different.  

2. It serves to reach "people like us" to let them know  right off the bat that their ideas concerning the stereotypes perpetuated by Asian American lit are justified.  They know that there is an intellectual contingent that supports their doubts about the current Kingstonian trend.

Yes, a provocative title alienates potential allies.  But it also attracts potential allies, and it pulls in "moderates" who are curious.  And we &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; right.  

I've been reading this book on one of the greatest organizers of all time, Abraham Lincoln.  His "Cooper Union" speech was one of the turning points in his bid for the Republican nomination.  I think his closing sentence is applicable to us.  He said:

"Let us have faith that &lt;strong&gt;right makes might&lt;/strong&gt;, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it."

&lt;strong&gt;Right makes might.&lt;/strong&gt;  I'm betting my next copper penny on Abe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Your title won’t only alienate Kingstonians, it’ll alienate many actual feminists. It’ll alienate people who haven’t made a decision yet on angry asian men and why we are angry.</p>
<p>Of course, our activism shouldn’t start with those uninterested in our movement at all. But it has to start somewhere and alienating potential allies is not a good place to start.</p>
<p>I mean, what has your title accomplished so far? It’s gotten us to spend a lot of time we could be strategizing on arguing the merits of an inflammatory title ;P</p></blockquote>
<p>Xian,</p>
<p>I just sent an e-mail to your yahoo account.</p>
<p>So basically, I think there are two functions of a provocative title.</p>
<p>1. It brings in &#8220;moderates&#8221; who are interested in hearing a different perspective.  These &#8220;moderates&#8221; are actively looking for something different, but they don&#8217;t have access to ideas that are different.  The provocative title immediately identifies the article as being different.  </p>
<p>2. It serves to reach &#8220;people like us&#8221; to let them know  right off the bat that their ideas concerning the stereotypes perpetuated by Asian American lit are justified.  They know that there is an intellectual contingent that supports their doubts about the current Kingstonian trend.</p>
<p>Yes, a provocative title alienates potential allies.  But it also attracts potential allies, and it pulls in &#8220;moderates&#8221; who are curious.  And we <i>are</i> right.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading this book on one of the greatest organizers of all time, Abraham Lincoln.  His &#8220;Cooper Union&#8221; speech was one of the turning points in his bid for the Republican nomination.  I think his closing sentence is applicable to us.  He said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let us have faith that <strong>right makes might</strong>, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Right makes might.</strong>  I&#8217;m betting my next copper penny on Abe!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Xian</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5942</link>
		<dc:creator>Xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 04:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5942</guid>
		<description>Moderation is relative when you are talking about positions. "Moderate" language is something entirely different.

Moderation in language does not mean compromising your message or principals at all. 

Your principles are not moderate. They are right. The question is how to strategically plan the victory of those principles.

Your title will reach people "like us"? Who like us needs to be pushed on this issue? Who like us is teetering on the fence of whether or not to plug sexist/racist quasi-feminist literature?

"Getting in people's faces" is not a worthy goal. "Being right" in their faces is what's necessary. Your title won't only alienate Kingstonians, it'll alienate many actual feminists. It'll alienate people who haven't made a decision yet on angry asian men and why we are angry. 

Of course, our activism shouldn't start with those uninterested in our movement at all. But it has to start somewhere and alienating potential allies is not a good place to start. 

I mean, what has your title accomplished so far? It's gotten us to spend a lot of time we could be strategizing on arguing the merits of an inflammatory title ;P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderation is relative when you are talking about positions. &#8220;Moderate&#8221; language is something entirely different.</p>
<p>Moderation in language does not mean compromising your message or principals at all. </p>
<p>Your principles are not moderate. They are right. The question is how to strategically plan the victory of those principles.</p>
<p>Your title will reach people &#8220;like us&#8221;? Who like us needs to be pushed on this issue? Who like us is teetering on the fence of whether or not to plug sexist/racist quasi-feminist literature?</p>
<p>&#8220;Getting in people&#8217;s faces&#8221; is not a worthy goal. &#8220;Being right&#8221; in their faces is what&#8217;s necessary. Your title won&#8217;t only alienate Kingstonians, it&#8217;ll alienate many actual feminists. It&#8217;ll alienate people who haven&#8217;t made a decision yet on angry asian men and why we are angry. </p>
<p>Of course, our activism shouldn&#8217;t start with those uninterested in our movement at all. But it has to start somewhere and alienating potential allies is not a good place to start. </p>
<p>I mean, what has your title accomplished so far? It&#8217;s gotten us to spend a lot of time we could be strategizing on arguing the merits of an inflammatory title ;P</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jaehwan</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5940</link>
		<dc:creator>jaehwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5940</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can’t have an Asian American book without a rapist!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

D,

I just checked your &lt;a href="http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2007/08/19/10-steps-to-an-asian-themed-ny-times-bestseller/" rel="nofollow"&gt;10 Steps (plus 2 bonuses)&lt;/a&gt;, and she's employed 6 of them.  

You wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;You might wish to describe his small and flaccid penis.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

and

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mentioning some sort of rape act will only strengthen your characterization.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, Min Jin gets creative by putting these two characterizations into two separate Asian male characters.  No wonder it was a bestseller!

I think what Xian was saying was that my article might be able to reach or change more "moderate" people if I made the &lt;i&gt;title&lt;/i&gt; more moderate or "respectful."  Xian, is this correct?  I think what D is emphasizing is that the "moderate" people are wrong on this issue.  

I was thinking about this this morning, and I think my view is more "moderate" than the people who get mad at Asian men for not buying into the Kingstonian tropes that the publishing industry pushes.  I'm more moderate than the "moderates."  Think about it--there's an expectation that Asian men should buy anything that is Asian despite the fact that these representations tear us down.  Who is moderate?  Certainly it would be considered extreme if we were, say, white men or black men choosing literature that perpetuated stereotypes about us.

I was thinking about this this morning because I knew there was a subconscious reason why I chose a provocative--but true-- title, and it both dovetails with what D is emphasizing and extends what Xian and I were talking about.  For the Kingstonians, it re-calibrates their ideas of what Asian Americans want to see from their writers.  For the people like us, it pulls us in because we know it's not going to be the same old Kingstonian back slapping and high fives that goes on in Asian American lit circles as they tear down the Asian man.

So a provocative title reaches people like us.  For Kingstonians, they'll read it once and think to themselves "oh, another angry Asian male."  But eventually, some of them will have to listen to our perspective as well, especially if it's backed by activism.  Does this make sense?

I think it's good to be strategic, but eventually you have to get into people's faces, kind of like what the Fallout Central guys are doing.  And yes, I totally know it takes a ton of time, money, and energy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can’t have an Asian American book without a rapist!</p></blockquote>
<p>D,</p>
<p>I just checked your <a href="http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2007/08/19/10-steps-to-an-asian-themed-ny-times-bestseller/" rel="nofollow">10 Steps (plus 2 bonuses)</a>, and she&#8217;s employed 6 of them.  </p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>You might wish to describe his small and flaccid penis.</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>Mentioning some sort of rape act will only strengthen your characterization.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, Min Jin gets creative by putting these two characterizations into two separate Asian male characters.  No wonder it was a bestseller!</p>
<p>I think what Xian was saying was that my article might be able to reach or change more &#8220;moderate&#8221; people if I made the <i>title</i> more moderate or &#8220;respectful.&#8221;  Xian, is this correct?  I think what D is emphasizing is that the &#8220;moderate&#8221; people are wrong on this issue.  </p>
<p>I was thinking about this this morning, and I think my view is more &#8220;moderate&#8221; than the people who get mad at Asian men for not buying into the Kingstonian tropes that the publishing industry pushes.  I&#8217;m more moderate than the &#8220;moderates.&#8221;  Think about it&#8211;there&#8217;s an expectation that Asian men should buy anything that is Asian despite the fact that these representations tear us down.  Who is moderate?  Certainly it would be considered extreme if we were, say, white men or black men choosing literature that perpetuated stereotypes about us.</p>
<p>I was thinking about this this morning because I knew there was a subconscious reason why I chose a provocative&#8211;but true&#8211; title, and it both dovetails with what D is emphasizing and extends what Xian and I were talking about.  For the Kingstonians, it re-calibrates their ideas of what Asian Americans want to see from their writers.  For the people like us, it pulls us in because we know it&#8217;s not going to be the same old Kingstonian back slapping and high fives that goes on in Asian American lit circles as they tear down the Asian man.</p>
<p>So a provocative title reaches people like us.  For Kingstonians, they&#8217;ll read it once and think to themselves &#8220;oh, another angry Asian male.&#8221;  But eventually, some of them will have to listen to our perspective as well, especially if it&#8217;s backed by activism.  Does this make sense?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s good to be strategic, but eventually you have to get into people&#8217;s faces, kind of like what the Fallout Central guys are doing.  And yes, I totally know it takes a ton of time, money, and energy!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Xian</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5931</link>
		<dc:creator>Xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 06:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5931</guid>
		<description>Who has "moderate" view? I certainly didn't recommend anything of the sort in the thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who has &#8220;moderate&#8221; view? I certainly didn&#8217;t recommend anything of the sort in the thread.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dialectic</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5929</link>
		<dc:creator>Dialectic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 03:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5929</guid>
		<description>Can't have an Asian American book without a rapist!

Also, being "moderate" or having middle-of-the-road views doesn't mean you're really "open-minded" or "compassionate."  It just means you're not taking any strong stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t have an Asian American book without a rapist!</p>
<p>Also, being &#8220;moderate&#8221; or having middle-of-the-road views doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re really &#8220;open-minded&#8221; or &#8220;compassionate.&#8221;  It just means you&#8217;re not taking any strong stand.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jaehwan</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5920</link>
		<dc:creator>jaehwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2008/04/29/free-sex-for-rice-chasers-a-review-of-free-food-for-millionaires-by-min-jin-lee/#comment-5920</guid>
		<description>Nightshade and Xian,

Actually, the threesome part takes place at the very beginning of the book, around the time Casey's "traditional" Korean father punches her in the face.  I was still part of Min Jin's cheering squad well after both scenes.

I turned sour mostly towards the end when I realized that nothing was going to get resolved.  The white guys would still be the stereotyped carriers of masculinity, the Asian women would still "find themselves" by sleeping with every guy under the sun, and the Asian guys would just be props that enabled the white guys to shine.  Oh, and the Asian rapist.

Xian, we've gotta meet up sometime later this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nightshade and Xian,</p>
<p>Actually, the threesome part takes place at the very beginning of the book, around the time Casey&#8217;s &#8220;traditional&#8221; Korean father punches her in the face.  I was still part of Min Jin&#8217;s cheering squad well after both scenes.</p>
<p>I turned sour mostly towards the end when I realized that nothing was going to get resolved.  The white guys would still be the stereotyped carriers of masculinity, the Asian women would still &#8220;find themselves&#8221; by sleeping with every guy under the sun, and the Asian guys would just be props that enabled the white guys to shine.  Oh, and the Asian rapist.</p>
<p>Xian, we&#8217;ve gotta meet up sometime later this year.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
