Comments on: How Can You Fuck the Patriarchy If You’re Fucking the Patriarchy?

By: blockthebox

blockthebox — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:25:26 +0000

Great points, Nightshade. For Asian women, the first question is almost irrelevant since it doesn’t address the racial component. AA feminists who don’t understand that white patriarchy is the enemy are delusional.

By: Xian

Xian — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:26:11 +0000

Obviously, it is possible for a man to correctly point out when a female is being complicit with misogyny, but it’s a pretty sketchy dynamic that I would certainly tread lightly around as a male feminist.

My experience is that most of the time that members of the privileged group are calling out members of the minority power group, it’s pretty self-serving.

That being said (and pre-apologies), I would just stress the need for two-way support on these issues. We as Asian American males desperately require the empathetic support and solidarity of Asian American females on gender/racial struggles. But Asian American males need to show the same empathy on the complementary gender/racial struggles that Asian American females face.

I remember many of the conflicts on this board stemming from internalized racism in BOTH gender groups–Asian American women who had internalized the society’s racist preference for white males and also the Asian American men who had internalized the society’s sexist male ideal.

By: jaehwan

jaehwan — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:15:04 +0000

Haha…I now have a Facebook account, and I just checked that out. The dude (who used to be on the 44’s) wrote:

My point is, this person is too concerned with sides and conflicts. Before you decide what it means to be an asian feminist before you decide what it means to be a feminist, you should figure out what it means to be you. You are an individual before you are a group.

What does it mean to be you?

To be or not to be, that is the question.

Pretty hilarious that this dude is posting on a board called “Asians Not Brainwashed by the Media.” Why is he posting on that group? Before he’s part of a group, he’s an individual. Right?

Well, if it’s any consolation, those who think your piece is misogynist just don’t get it.

By: nightshade

nightshade — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:52:06 +0000

We pissed off all the feminists, except for the male ones.

But in all seriousness, I read a poorly written response (by a man) to this post on another forum. (And then all these chicks agree with him…god, what a bunch of retarded lemmings.) This leads me to think that some people may think that this piece is misogynist.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2214375888&topic=7444

By: aznbro

aznbro — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:47:00 +0000

Great post… Actually, it’s been an excellent series of posts on the topic of feminism by various authors.
I’m curious to know shy there has been relatively few comments among the lady members of the F44s. I’ve been a long-term part-time lurker on this forum and I seem to recall that over the past few years, several female posters have questioned why so much time has been spent on the issue of IR disparitiy but not on asian feminisim. Well, it seems now is the time to chime in. Does the relative silence imply general agreement or disagreement with the stated opinions?

By: nightshade

nightshade — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:17:58 +0000

Well, I don’t care if Asian women date white men as long as they don’t say shit like, “OMG, Asian men are so sexist, that’s why I totes have to date a white man.” The same rules apply for Asian dudes dating white women.

But yes, at the end of the day, if we’re advocating for an Asian American movement, it looks pretty fucking stupid if the person we love most in the entire universe isn’t a fellow Asian. This is not a value judgment on someone’s love–it’s a simple observation.

As maogirl said in a post, if Obama had married a white woman, his message would be perceived in a different light. We are not living in a society where we can pretend that we’re post race.

By: groinpull

groinpull — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:51:17 +0000

Like the issue of supporting Asian American cinema. AA women want to produce movies like Red Doors or Falling for Grace and expected us to support it because it’s ‘Asian American’ and it’s putting AA actors out there. But if you’re making a movie about WM/AF ALL the time, what’s the point of Asian Americans?

By: groinpull

groinpull — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:49:14 +0000

I think sometime ago you, Nightshade, wrote that you don’t care if Asian women date white men, but you prefer to date Asian men. am i right?

So this post is towards Asian women who claim to stand for something, but by dating White men, they’re undermining their positions. right? In other words, it’s hypocrisy.

On that platform, I would agree with you.I don’t think I mind WM/AF couples, but I hate the hypocrisy of it all. They’re bleeding Asian American men dry by taking on all positions and leaving us with no recourse.

By: jaehwan

jaehwan — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:40:34 +0000

Awesome post! I love the focus on institutional power and the fact that the current practice is based on narcissism. I wonder why those (huge) issues never seem to occur to the mainstreamers.

By: TheMac

TheMac — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:51:23 +0000

Word to the point on any -ism being weakened without the institutional power (structure) to make it ‘meaningful’.