Apology not accepted. A promise is a promise, and you reneged on yours.

Xian,

I like the analogy, but I think there is one crucial difference. Ancestors of on-computer users have never subjugated ancestors of computer users through military force, have never forcibly rewritten their laws, have never tried to inflict racial biases through financial control of education, and have never colonized the home countries of computer users. Computer users, for the most part, have always been in control of computer culture.

And as for discriminating against “unpopular” Asian groups, hello, I’m Bruneian. Let’s see if you can find that on a map without resorting to Wikipedia.

I look back now at my posts and am extremely embarrassed, as I let others bait me into a position I had not originally intended to support, which was the article I posted. I had gently suggested after a few other posts that maybe the individuals (not all Asians) this particular white guy ran into were shy, and that maybe he was the one misunderstanding what was going on. I soon got baited into an argument about white privilege, something I neither intended not disbelieve, only that white privilege doesn’t help all of us all of the time, and that even whites can lose out in white privilege. I did not mean to undercut or demean anyone’s argument or experiences, which is (judging by the supporting posts to jaehwan’s and maogirl’s) how I came off. For this, I apologize.

The biggest shock of the whole exchange wasn’t the viewpoints I ran into (I know what forum this is), but rather that two very intelligent individuals whose well-worded posts I had read in recent months lurking attacked me not using logic or well-thought out arguments, but rather “WTFFUYTFUYTGETOUTGETOUTGETOUT!” When you run into something like that, you can either conclude A) These two people are morons (not true, obviously, from their other great posts in other places) or B) I’m way out of place with my opinions in this forum, and already making a terrible impression. I think B is the most likely answer.

The other great irony is that we essentially acted out the scenario mentioned in the editorial piece and the subsequent news article. I did come away from the experience believing the author a bit more, as what I ran into wasn’t just opposition to my ideas or presentation style, but really just outright racial hate without foundation, the same kind I’ve run into my whole life from all colors. Some individuals just want to hate, and will rationalize the world to fit that perverted world view.

Suddenly I was some huge racist who a lot of you speculated endlessly around despite my disclaimers. Even the disclaimers were attacked — “How dare he say he knows something about us?” I literally had friends from birth of all Asian ethnicities, Japanese, Chinese, Filipinos, Taiwanese, Korean, and Vietnamese, sleeping over at their houses, learning Korean phrases in Tae Kwon Do (he wanted me to take over the studio after him), having the whole list of AF GFs that I spared you because I knew what ire it would build and what stereotype it would reinforce (YT stealing the AFs) — yet somehow I knew “nothing” about Asians, though the above mix is very likely more than a lot of you personally experienced in your friend mix. You won’t admit it here, but you as a group are a lot more likely to discriminate against the “unpopular” Asian groups like Filipinos and Vietnamese — coming from a White family, this baggage did not exist other than the “they’re not White and we don’t care” upbringing that exists in very liberal white families (which since I don’t know about your culture, you shouldn’t claim to know about mine or what goes on there).

Basically, it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t here. If I came in without the disclaimers, I’d be written off as yet another YT cruising in the WRONG PLACE (duh) for AF tail, ignorant of your culture and movement. With the disclaimers, I’m actually worse, an oppressor-culture poseur here to rape your board with my ideas and propaganda. Personally, I just saw it as me refusing to be the YT punching bag for the angrier people here, who are very, very angry, like skinhead angry. No logic in the face of the thing they hate, just emotion. If I can’t mildly object (reread my posts, see if I got extreme in any way), than really this isn’t a forum for me or my race.

I see now this is really probably a forum best limited to Asians, especially angry or isolationist ones. It’s the Asian Stormfront, a sanctuary for your views, and I was an interloper. I do humbly apologize at this point to everyone, and I am happy that my brief presence did at least touch off a debate about who should be included with what ideas, and that there was some mild support from a few and stronger particapatory support from another — however, the lion’s share of views was that I was out of place and out of line, and I think the respectful thing for me to do is to stay away. Maogirl and others made the good point that CSU and orgs like that are sanctuaries away from White culture — this is that same concept here, and I realized me coming in and conversing was as bad as the tagalong YT trying to join CSU, and just as pathetic.

Jaehwan, my apologies for breaking the promise, I will refrain from posting here forward (unless you for some reason think I should still participate, and say so publicly). I will lurk as I did before, but will not post again or respond to attacks, unless Private Messaged.