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	<title>Comments on: American School Reform and &#8220;Charter Schools&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: maloy</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2007/11/13/american-school-reform-and-charter-schools/#comment-3322</link>
		<dc:creator>maloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tsk, D, i guess you weren't reading the new yorker back in 2004.

here's a link to a great article about a boston charter school that serves mostly poor immigrants and the curriculum incorporates chinese.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/10/18/041018fa_fact_boo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tsk, D, i guess you weren&#8217;t reading the new yorker back in 2004.</p>
<p>here&#8217;s a link to a great article about a boston charter school that serves mostly poor immigrants and the curriculum incorporates chinese.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/10/18/041018fa_fact_boo" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/10/18/041018fa_fact_boo</a></p>
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		<title>By: nskripchun</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2007/11/13/american-school-reform-and-charter-schools/#comment-3317</link>
		<dc:creator>nskripchun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charter schools are a good idea, but as brother Xian has already pointed out, they aren't a cure-all to the problems with public schooling.  Fixing public schools is actually quite simple, but unfortunately, there's not a lot of public and political will to do it.  The current administration would rather pass out a one-size-fits-all test and crack a whip.

Some fixes off the top of my head:

1.  Smaller class sizes -&#62; More teachers
2.  Students motivated and ready to learn -&#62; More support for families and communities to develop a culture which esteems education
3.  Research-based education practices -&#62; More paid training and paid time for teacher planning, conferences, and workshops
4.  Safe and effective learning environment -&#62; Buildings constructed specifically for schools with the latest technologies

Many charter schools try do these things, but are they really helping all students or just an elite few?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charter schools are a good idea, but as brother Xian has already pointed out, they aren&#8217;t a cure-all to the problems with public schooling.  Fixing public schools is actually quite simple, but unfortunately, there&#8217;s not a lot of public and political will to do it.  The current administration would rather pass out a one-size-fits-all test and crack a whip.</p>
<p>Some fixes off the top of my head:</p>
<p>1.  Smaller class sizes -&gt; More teachers<br />
2.  Students motivated and ready to learn -&gt; More support for families and communities to develop a culture which esteems education<br />
3.  Research-based education practices -&gt; More paid training and paid time for teacher planning, conferences, and workshops<br />
4.  Safe and effective learning environment -&gt; Buildings constructed specifically for schools with the latest technologies</p>
<p>Many charter schools try do these things, but are they really helping all students or just an elite few?</p>
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		<title>By: timmyhos</title>
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		<dc:creator>timmyhos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure that charter schools are not tuition free?  My understanding is that charter schools are just cheaper versions of private schools with free enrollment,  greater autonomy from the state, and more accountability.  And since they're free and publicly/privately funded, the teachers who get hired don't require the same level of certification as public teachers.  That's probably one of the reasons that they are not backed by the teachers union.

And one of the best things about charter schools is that it mainly attracts those who want to see results.  Your evaluation is based on a pre-set agreement that if you don't uphold can be grounds for dismissal.  This would discourage teachers who think their only job is to show up to class and run a powerpoint presentation.  I'm not saying you're one of these people, I'm just saying from experience that there are alot of teachers like that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure that charter schools are not tuition free?  My understanding is that charter schools are just cheaper versions of private schools with free enrollment,  greater autonomy from the state, and more accountability.  And since they&#8217;re free and publicly/privately funded, the teachers who get hired don&#8217;t require the same level of certification as public teachers.  That&#8217;s probably one of the reasons that they are not backed by the teachers union.</p>
<p>And one of the best things about charter schools is that it mainly attracts those who want to see results.  Your evaluation is based on a pre-set agreement that if you don&#8217;t uphold can be grounds for dismissal.  This would discourage teachers who think their only job is to show up to class and run a powerpoint presentation.  I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re one of these people, I&#8217;m just saying from experience that there are alot of teachers like that</p>
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		<title>By: Xian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on the charter school in question. I don't know of too many charters that have more public regulation than public schools. As you say, many have outside funding, and are beholden to their profit or non-profit sponsors.

You are welcome to come down to my school during one of my 80+ hour weeks and see me "do just enough". 

Most Charter school are not free enrollment. Since they require a higher level of parental involvement, they self-select. Many charters also harvest new teachers who are willing to work for poor compensation and benefits. They are in the majority of cases, non-union and non-supported. 

I give everything I have to my students. I don't have time to do individual drag out salary negotiation too. 

I agree that there should be more accountability and smaller schools. However, since the climate is currently so anti-teacher, there are many of us who want more accountability who don't trust the current system to evaluate us properly.

I am personally hired by parents from one of the top ten public schools in the country to tutor their kids. They could hire anyone in the country, and they choose me.

However, I am not omnipotent or omniscient and in my daily teaching, I'm compared to teachers teaching in environments where they have triple the funding and they don't have to shield their students from gunfire in the course of their work.

I just asked to be evaluated on a thoughtful metric that takes into account the fact that it's harder to take a kid from a 3rd grade reading level to an 11th grade level than it is to take them from a 10th to an 11th grade level...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on the charter school in question. I don&#8217;t know of too many charters that have more public regulation than public schools. As you say, many have outside funding, and are beholden to their profit or non-profit sponsors.</p>
<p>You are welcome to come down to my school during one of my 80+ hour weeks and see me &#8220;do just enough&#8221;. </p>
<p>Most Charter school are not free enrollment. Since they require a higher level of parental involvement, they self-select. Many charters also harvest new teachers who are willing to work for poor compensation and benefits. They are in the majority of cases, non-union and non-supported. </p>
<p>I give everything I have to my students. I don&#8217;t have time to do individual drag out salary negotiation too. </p>
<p>I agree that there should be more accountability and smaller schools. However, since the climate is currently so anti-teacher, there are many of us who want more accountability who don&#8217;t trust the current system to evaluate us properly.</p>
<p>I am personally hired by parents from one of the top ten public schools in the country to tutor their kids. They could hire anyone in the country, and they choose me.</p>
<p>However, I am not omnipotent or omniscient and in my daily teaching, I&#8217;m compared to teachers teaching in environments where they have triple the funding and they don&#8217;t have to shield their students from gunfire in the course of their work.</p>
<p>I just asked to be evaluated on a thoughtful metric that takes into account the fact that it&#8217;s harder to take a kid from a 3rd grade reading level to an 11th grade level than it is to take them from a 10th to an 11th grade level&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: timmyhos</title>
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		<dc:creator>timmyhos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charter schools are not privatized.  They're just a different branch of the public school system with a different and, in this case, more strict set of rules.  And the reason they can do that is because they're funded through philanthropy.

And to me, these charter schools are what schools ought to be in the first place.  There's no accountability at all in the system, with the students or the teachers.  Students often just 'move on' during high school instead of earning their grades and teachers do just enough to keep their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charter schools are not privatized.  They&#8217;re just a different branch of the public school system with a different and, in this case, more strict set of rules.  And the reason they can do that is because they&#8217;re funded through philanthropy.</p>
<p>And to me, these charter schools are what schools ought to be in the first place.  There&#8217;s no accountability at all in the system, with the students or the teachers.  Students often just &#8216;move on&#8217; during high school instead of earning their grades and teachers do just enough to keep their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Xian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little schools are great, but there's no need to privatize to make schools smaller.

I would favor any school reform program that grants better opportunities for students. However, these magic bullet solutions which are supported because they drive the poorest students out of the school system and cherry-pick the students with parental support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little schools are great, but there&#8217;s no need to privatize to make schools smaller.</p>
<p>I would favor any school reform program that grants better opportunities for students. However, these magic bullet solutions which are supported because they drive the poorest students out of the school system and cherry-pick the students with parental support.</p>
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