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	<title>Comments on: Brown&#8217;s &#8220;Wall of Shame&#8221; on Inter-racial Dating</title>
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		<title>By: Discussion from Obsessed &#124; big WOWO</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2007/08/10/browns-wall-of-shame-in-inter-racial-dating/#comment-8076</link>
		<dc:creator>Discussion from Obsessed &#124; big WOWO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an interesting perspective, check out the Brown University article that the Stealth MC mentioned here.)  As much as some Asian men try to sugarcoat it with machismo or denial, these gender disparities [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an interesting perspective, check out the Brown University article that the Stealth MC mentioned here.)  As much as some Asian men try to sugarcoat it with machismo or denial, these gender disparities [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obsessed: Fatal Attraction Among Black People &#124; big WOWO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obsessed: Fatal Attraction Among Black People &#124; big WOWO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 07:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a movie where the two leading characters were a black man and a white woman?  Isn&#8217;t this an issue that gets black women down?  Of course the trailer shows the black female Beyonce beating the #$% out of the white female Ali [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a movie where the two leading characters were a black man and a white woman?  Isn&#8217;t this an issue that gets black women down?  Of course the trailer shows the black female Beyonce beating the #$% out of the white female Ali [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tubesrule</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2007/08/10/browns-wall-of-shame-in-inter-racial-dating/#comment-7970</link>
		<dc:creator>tubesrule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will repeat what I consider to be critical part of analogisnumberone's arguement: black women (and all blacks for that matter) have a legitimate issue and they chose to take a valid political action in posting the names. The fact that they did so should embolden all of us, black or not, to scrutinize closely all aspects of the social contract.

For the Whites and others who feel put upon, try considering this: if a man claimed that he's not to blame for being a man, and that he intends no harm, he would rightly be dismissed for stating an irrelevancy. The point is, men profit simply by being men. 

The issue in a Racist society is profit. Individual intent and circumstance have nothing to do with profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will repeat what I consider to be critical part of analogisnumberone&#8217;s arguement: black women (and all blacks for that matter) have a legitimate issue and they chose to take a valid political action in posting the names. The fact that they did so should embolden all of us, black or not, to scrutinize closely all aspects of the social contract.</p>
<p>For the Whites and others who feel put upon, try considering this: if a man claimed that he&#8217;s not to blame for being a man, and that he intends no harm, he would rightly be dismissed for stating an irrelevancy. The point is, men profit simply by being men. </p>
<p>The issue in a Racist society is profit. Individual intent and circumstance have nothing to do with profit.</p>
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		<title>By: tubesrule</title>
		<link>http://www.thefighting44s.com/archives/2007/08/10/browns-wall-of-shame-in-inter-racial-dating/#comment-7968</link>
		<dc:creator>tubesrule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fortunately for all of us, the current economic meltdown is sure to stoke popular anger. Along with that anger, spontaneous popular outbursts like what those courageous black women did will continue occuring in all sectors of working-class society: witness the demsonstrations in eastern europe, iceland, etc. 

The contemporary financial crisis is way beyond a money problem: it's a huge political opportunity for the global working class to take advantage of the wealthy ruling class' weakness. One thing is for sure: the post-Vietnam War global political economy crafted and maintained by the Godfather of bosses, the USA, is dead, and the ruling classes of all nations will not recover from this deathblow. 

These are the beginings of the best political movements since the 60s and 70s. 



Our time has finally arrived where we can hash out democratic processes that profit the many, not the few. Wealth can and will be spread, not accumulated.
Racism will be revealed as an issue of profit, not merely as an issue of laying blame to particular groups that profit the most from racism. 

A good example of the social utility of racism is the experience of white southerner job-seekers versus white mid-western job seekers migrating to California in the 1930s Depression; Southerners were attacked and villified beyond anything their Mid-West counterparts experienced.

For us here in the US, how about a universal plan to pay caregivers for their in-home care of minors, and non-minors? What about reparations for Blacks? Abolishing the insurance industry and having a single-payer health care industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fortunately for all of us, the current economic meltdown is sure to stoke popular anger. Along with that anger, spontaneous popular outbursts like what those courageous black women did will continue occuring in all sectors of working-class society: witness the demsonstrations in eastern europe, iceland, etc. </p>
<p>The contemporary financial crisis is way beyond a money problem: it&#8217;s a huge political opportunity for the global working class to take advantage of the wealthy ruling class&#8217; weakness. One thing is for sure: the post-Vietnam War global political economy crafted and maintained by the Godfather of bosses, the USA, is dead, and the ruling classes of all nations will not recover from this deathblow. </p>
<p>These are the beginings of the best political movements since the 60s and 70s. </p>
<p>Our time has finally arrived where we can hash out democratic processes that profit the many, not the few. Wealth can and will be spread, not accumulated.<br />
Racism will be revealed as an issue of profit, not merely as an issue of laying blame to particular groups that profit the most from racism. </p>
<p>A good example of the social utility of racism is the experience of white southerner job-seekers versus white mid-western job seekers migrating to California in the 1930s Depression; Southerners were attacked and villified beyond anything their Mid-West counterparts experienced.</p>
<p>For us here in the US, how about a universal plan to pay caregivers for their in-home care of minors, and non-minors? What about reparations for Blacks? Abolishing the insurance industry and having a single-payer health care industry?</p>
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		<title>By: Senkeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senkeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, some people really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, some people really shouldn&#8217;t be allowed anywhere near a computer.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe that part of the reason why Ms. Lyde made the “Wall Of Shame” is her frustration with the face that she couldn’t get a date. I hope she realized that her sex life isn’t going to improve as a result of making the “Wall of Shame”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This sounds like the kind of thing that people say about Asian American men who have legitimate complaints about feeling ignored and undervalued. 

Have you thought perhaps the Wall of Shame had to do with racial politics in the United States and not about being unable to get a date?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe that part of the reason why Ms. Lyde made the “Wall Of Shame” is her frustration with the face that she couldn’t get a date. I hope she realized that her sex life isn’t going to improve as a result of making the “Wall of Shame”.</p></blockquote>
<p>This sounds like the kind of thing that people say about Asian American men who have legitimate complaints about feeling ignored and undervalued. </p>
<p>Have you thought perhaps the Wall of Shame had to do with racial politics in the United States and not about being unable to get a date?</p>
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		<title>By: aznbro</title>
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		<dc:creator>aznbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I see it all the time on campus: black women who are in environments with lots of attractive, smart, super ambitious black men who then declare to their friends loudly (wish I were exaggerating) ‘they aren’t tall enough?”
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Does that mean that on average, a BM dating a non-black woman would be shorter than a BM that is with a BW (at your typical university campus)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see it all the time on campus: black women who are in environments with lots of attractive, smart, super ambitious black men who then declare to their friends loudly (wish I were exaggerating) ‘they aren’t tall enough?”
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<p>Does that mean that on average, a BM dating a non-black woman would be shorter than a BM that is with a BW (at your typical university campus)?</p>
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		<title>By: MadeInTaiwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadeInTaiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think everybody should date anyone they want and pay no attention to any other input.  I believe that part of the reason why Ms. Lyde made the "Wall Of Shame" is her frustration with the face that she couldn't get a date.  I hope she realized that her sex life isn't going to improve as a result of making the "Wall of Shame".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think everybody should date anyone they want and pay no attention to any other input.  I believe that part of the reason why Ms. Lyde made the &#8220;Wall Of Shame&#8221; is her frustration with the face that she couldn&#8217;t get a date.  I hope she realized that her sex life isn&#8217;t going to improve as a result of making the &#8220;Wall of Shame&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: tokyolovestory</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokyolovestory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>byallie63

*sigh*  You are arguing a point I didn't make.  I never said I support hypocrisy.  Obviously, if they reject BMs, then BFs should not be complaining when it happens to them.

But that does not justify the same behavior from BMs to reject BFs out of hand just because it's happened to them before.  And, as nightshade said, to demand that all BFs pay the price for the actions of a few is immature and full of self-pity.

Again, "well they did it first" never works.  I bet your parents didn't fall for it when you did it with your siblings as kids, right?  And now, it's not just one or two others you're demanding be blamed first.  It's an entire half of your ethnic population.  Good luck with that.</description>
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<p>*sigh*  You are arguing a point I didn&#8217;t make.  I never said I support hypocrisy.  Obviously, if they reject BMs, then BFs should not be complaining when it happens to them.</p>
<p>But that does not justify the same behavior from BMs to reject BFs out of hand just because it&#8217;s happened to them before.  And, as nightshade said, to demand that all BFs pay the price for the actions of a few is immature and full of self-pity.</p>
<p>Again, &#8220;well they did it first&#8221; never works.  I bet your parents didn&#8217;t fall for it when you did it with your siblings as kids, right?  And now, it&#8217;s not just one or two others you&#8217;re demanding be blamed first.  It&#8217;s an entire half of your ethnic population.  Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said you were acting like you are entitled to black women. You obviously don't want to date black women, and that's your choice. But to ask black women to take responsibility and to stop whining, when you yourself are not ready to do the same is laughable.

I love how you assume that I disregarded what you had to say because you went to an Ivy for grad school. News flash: so did I. So did my black male roommate. Does this make my opinion any better now?

You just don't get the anger and frustration black women and Asian men feel because you're in a position of privilege. Get over yourself. What they are feeling isn't a personal attack on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said you were acting like you are entitled to black women. You obviously don&#8217;t want to date black women, and that&#8217;s your choice. But to ask black women to take responsibility and to stop whining, when you yourself are not ready to do the same is laughable.</p>
<p>I love how you assume that I disregarded what you had to say because you went to an Ivy for grad school. News flash: so did I. So did my black male roommate. Does this make my opinion any better now?</p>
<p>You just don&#8217;t get the anger and frustration black women and Asian men feel because you&#8217;re in a position of privilege. Get over yourself. What they are feeling isn&#8217;t a personal attack on you.</p>
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