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		<title>By: Veryangry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veryangry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, what the hell are you babbling about? Do you have any way of substantiating such statements?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, what the hell are you babbling about? Do you have any way of substantiating such statements?</p>
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		<title>By: PhantomS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhantomS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Malaysian Malays are paranoid and regretting their choice of power over prosperity; historically Malays have always gone for the pen instead of the sword, unfortunately that means surrender and not diplomacy.

Their hollering over Burma is chest thumping- push comes to shove, they'll be grovelling to the Chinese businesses to sponsor anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Malaysian Malays are paranoid and regretting their choice of power over prosperity; historically Malays have always gone for the pen instead of the sword, unfortunately that means surrender and not diplomacy.</p>
<p>Their hollering over Burma is chest thumping- push comes to shove, they&#8217;ll be grovelling to the Chinese businesses to sponsor anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Veryangry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veryangry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!

"Nobody likes being at a 'disadvantage'"!!!!!! 

Is a Malay VC threatening to soak his keris in Chinese blood a mere 'disadvantage'?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Spoken like a true malaysian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!</p>
<p>&#8220;Nobody likes being at a &#8216;disadvantage&#8217;&#8221;!!!!!! </p>
<p>Is a Malay VC threatening to soak his keris in Chinese blood a mere &#8216;disadvantage&#8217;?</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHA!</p>
<p>Spoken like a true malaysian.</p>
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		<title>By: DONKEY</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONKEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was cool.
i dont disagree with you, i just wanted to see some debate on this topic because its hard to hear what people really think most of the time. its never printed in the newspapers and most english websites don't have enough people who want to discuss it. 
nobody likes being at a disadvantage, there would be something wrong with them if they did. all of my family there is in food business. one of my cousins had to take a Malay partner when he expanded and the guy doesn't do anything. he didn't even know anything about restaurant business.
anyways i am glad to see your post and hope you can offer some more discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was cool.<br />
i dont disagree with you, i just wanted to see some debate on this topic because its hard to hear what people really think most of the time. its never printed in the newspapers and most english websites don&#8217;t have enough people who want to discuss it.<br />
nobody likes being at a disadvantage, there would be something wrong with them if they did. all of my family there is in food business. one of my cousins had to take a Malay partner when he expanded and the guy doesn&#8217;t do anything. he didn&#8217;t even know anything about restaurant business.<br />
anyways i am glad to see your post and hope you can offer some more discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Veryangry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veryangry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Originally posted by Donkey:

"the bumiputra-only things seems to piss off foreigners more than the people who live in Malaysia. Chinese in Malaysia already have experience with this and know why the policies exist. the average Chinese or Indian in Malaysia is not greatly hurt by this. religion dictates how some business is done. this creates niche markets.
also this is not exclusive to bumiputras. in the shops in KL that sell higher-end products the “help wanted” signs almost all state a preference for a Chinese. this makes sense when most of the customers are going to be Chinese. there is the OCBC and countless other things which just cater to Chinese. so it’s only natural that something would be created for Malays.
it is easy to see why foreigners would not understand or like this kind of thing. but that doesn’t mean it should be changed."

First of all, contrary to your opinion that your average Chinese or Indian in Malaysia is not greatly hurt by this, I contend that it is precisely the AVERAGE Chinese and Indian in Malaysia that is badly hurt. You only need to open your eyes and observe how DECADES of institutional racism and lack of opportunities and squabbling for scraps has done to these communities. In the Indian community, alcoholism and gangsterism is life. Among the Chinese, a significant portion would find it very hard to survive without resorting to illegal and proscribed economic activities. Chinese people pay through their noses for basics such as good education for their children simply because the deserving ones get absolutely zero government assistance in this. They pay 5% more for all houses and property. And all major government projects are ALWAYS given to Malay owned and run companies, who then leave the actual implementation and construction work to the non-Bumi companies. After pocketing a large sum, of course. 

Secondly, everytime the issue of MALAY RACISM pops up, the Chinese are always made to look like they are the real racists with ready examples that blatantly are. But this is the climate in Malaysia. Who made it mandatory to state your race and religion on your identification card and government forms? The Malay government. Who stifles absolutely any debate regarding issues of race and religion and the "unquestionable primacy" of the Malay race in Malaysia? The Malay government. And who uses Chinese individuals as proxies to siphon money out of government linked and public limited corporations? More than that, who threatened to bathe their Kerises in Chinese blood during a party general assembly? Who makes frequent references to May 13 1969 everytime the general elections near, because they want to use fear to rein in Chinese voters against causing upset defeats? Who keeps saying that they "understand" the MASS RAPES and MURDERS throughout Indonesia in 1998 as a direct result of "Chinese dominion" over the economy? Which I would add, is a complete fallacy. Also, despite all that hype about Independence Day and a unified, Malaysian race and their multiracial society, who finds it absolutely ABHORRENT for a Chinese person to become the Prime Minister of Malaysia? 

So may I suggest that before you suggest that the Chinese are racist in Malaysia, you be prepared to have all your dirty laundry aired in public. This isn't a fucking Malaysian website. This one's in the fucking US of A. No yellow fucker is going to fear a frank discussion of the matter. You can't fucking mob or riot against us here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Originally posted by Donkey:</p>
<p>&#8220;the bumiputra-only things seems to piss off foreigners more than the people who live in Malaysia. Chinese in Malaysia already have experience with this and know why the policies exist. the average Chinese or Indian in Malaysia is not greatly hurt by this. religion dictates how some business is done. this creates niche markets.<br />
also this is not exclusive to bumiputras. in the shops in KL that sell higher-end products the “help wanted” signs almost all state a preference for a Chinese. this makes sense when most of the customers are going to be Chinese. there is the OCBC and countless other things which just cater to Chinese. so it’s only natural that something would be created for Malays.<br />
it is easy to see why foreigners would not understand or like this kind of thing. but that doesn’t mean it should be changed.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, contrary to your opinion that your average Chinese or Indian in Malaysia is not greatly hurt by this, I contend that it is precisely the AVERAGE Chinese and Indian in Malaysia that is badly hurt. You only need to open your eyes and observe how DECADES of institutional racism and lack of opportunities and squabbling for scraps has done to these communities. In the Indian community, alcoholism and gangsterism is life. Among the Chinese, a significant portion would find it very hard to survive without resorting to illegal and proscribed economic activities. Chinese people pay through their noses for basics such as good education for their children simply because the deserving ones get absolutely zero government assistance in this. They pay 5% more for all houses and property. And all major government projects are ALWAYS given to Malay owned and run companies, who then leave the actual implementation and construction work to the non-Bumi companies. After pocketing a large sum, of course. </p>
<p>Secondly, everytime the issue of MALAY RACISM pops up, the Chinese are always made to look like they are the real racists with ready examples that blatantly are. But this is the climate in Malaysia. Who made it mandatory to state your race and religion on your identification card and government forms? The Malay government. Who stifles absolutely any debate regarding issues of race and religion and the &#8220;unquestionable primacy&#8221; of the Malay race in Malaysia? The Malay government. And who uses Chinese individuals as proxies to siphon money out of government linked and public limited corporations? More than that, who threatened to bathe their Kerises in Chinese blood during a party general assembly? Who makes frequent references to May 13 1969 everytime the general elections near, because they want to use fear to rein in Chinese voters against causing upset defeats? Who keeps saying that they &#8220;understand&#8221; the MASS RAPES and MURDERS throughout Indonesia in 1998 as a direct result of &#8220;Chinese dominion&#8221; over the economy? Which I would add, is a complete fallacy. Also, despite all that hype about Independence Day and a unified, Malaysian race and their multiracial society, who finds it absolutely ABHORRENT for a Chinese person to become the Prime Minister of Malaysia? </p>
<p>So may I suggest that before you suggest that the Chinese are racist in Malaysia, you be prepared to have all your dirty laundry aired in public. This isn&#8217;t a fucking Malaysian website. This one&#8217;s in the fucking US of A. No yellow fucker is going to fear a frank discussion of the matter. You can&#8217;t fucking mob or riot against us here.</p>
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		<title>By: DONKEY</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONKEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I heard of that 30% thing and that sucks. especially if you are trying to expand your small business. the policies need revision. but i don't see what kind of alternatives there are that wouldn't cause some huge problems. if the policies were abandoned right now, what would happen? who would benefit the most and who would suffer the most in long term and short term?
i heard about the ISA but dont know the specifics of it besides that it was made to crush dissent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I heard of that 30% thing and that sucks. especially if you are trying to expand your small business. the policies need revision. but i don&#8217;t see what kind of alternatives there are that wouldn&#8217;t cause some huge problems. if the policies were abandoned right now, what would happen? who would benefit the most and who would suffer the most in long term and short term?<br />
i heard about the ISA but dont know the specifics of it besides that it was made to crush dissent.</p>
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		<title>By: taijian</title>
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		<dc:creator>taijian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donkey, I don't know why you think it doesn't piss us off. Is it because we don't seem to talk about it? Oh, incidentally, have you heard about the ISA? It's kinda like the Patriot Act in the USA. We've had it lots longer though.

Maloy and JadeDragon have summed it up pretty well. This matter is lot more complicated than your remarks make it out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donkey, I don&#8217;t know why you think it doesn&#8217;t piss us off. Is it because we don&#8217;t seem to talk about it? Oh, incidentally, have you heard about the ISA? It&#8217;s kinda like the Patriot Act in the USA. We&#8217;ve had it lots longer though.</p>
<p>Maloy and JadeDragon have summed it up pretty well. This matter is lot more complicated than your remarks make it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: JadeDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadeDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Maloy on this one. Donkey, while you say that higher-end shops and certain banks in Malaysia will cater mainly to the Chinese, this is actually more of an effect of the bumiputera policy than a sign of the religious/ethnic divide that started the bumiputera policy in the first place. Even before the race riots in the 1960s in Malaysia, there was already a lot of ethnic tension between the Malays and the overseas Chinese coming to make a living, as it was perceived that the Chinese were encroaching on territory that "rightfully" belonged to the Malays. 

And it's becoming more apparent that policies which uplift locals over the ethnic minorities in SEAsia are more damaging to the locals than others. There's a complacency in business and politics because the locals believe that their government will protect them no matter what, and that reduces the drive that many Malays need to make it on their own. Did you know that any company/organisation that wants to set up in Malaysia has to have at least 30% bumiputeras on the board of directors before approval is granted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Maloy on this one. Donkey, while you say that higher-end shops and certain banks in Malaysia will cater mainly to the Chinese, this is actually more of an effect of the bumiputera policy than a sign of the religious/ethnic divide that started the bumiputera policy in the first place. Even before the race riots in the 1960s in Malaysia, there was already a lot of ethnic tension between the Malays and the overseas Chinese coming to make a living, as it was perceived that the Chinese were encroaching on territory that &#8220;rightfully&#8221; belonged to the Malays. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s becoming more apparent that policies which uplift locals over the ethnic minorities in SEAsia are more damaging to the locals than others. There&#8217;s a complacency in business and politics because the locals believe that their government will protect them no matter what, and that reduces the drive that many Malays need to make it on their own. Did you know that any company/organisation that wants to set up in Malaysia has to have at least 30% bumiputeras on the board of directors before approval is granted?</p>
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		<title>By: maloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>maloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know, donkey, i feel what you're saying but at the same time, i think it's damaging to a country to sustain a feeling of "us locals vs them outsiders." the people who are more damaged by this are the locals rather than the ethnic minorities...as you pointed out, ethnic minorities will always find a way to make money and do business, but in the end, the money doesn't stay within the country. 

fuck, this is such a complicated issue...basically, part of the reason asian tycoons have generally been chinese is because they have taken over industries that the local folk have been unable or don't want to handle. locals have always prized political power over economic because they are tied to their countries whereas historically speaking, SEA chinese have prized economic power because that means they can manipulate the politicians AND they have a way out if things get bad. and it's really the poor who are hurt most by this system because they can't leave and they bear the brunt of local anger.

but anyway, my point is: if you keep making ethnic minorities feel that they are "outsiders," you prevent them from developing any form of love or attachment to their countries. that means that they have no incentive to invest in the future of the country, and they don't really give a shit if they drag it down into further misery as long as they get theirs, ya feel me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know, donkey, i feel what you&#8217;re saying but at the same time, i think it&#8217;s damaging to a country to sustain a feeling of &#8220;us locals vs them outsiders.&#8221; the people who are more damaged by this are the locals rather than the ethnic minorities&#8230;as you pointed out, ethnic minorities will always find a way to make money and do business, but in the end, the money doesn&#8217;t stay within the country. </p>
<p>fuck, this is such a complicated issue&#8230;basically, part of the reason asian tycoons have generally been chinese is because they have taken over industries that the local folk have been unable or don&#8217;t want to handle. locals have always prized political power over economic because they are tied to their countries whereas historically speaking, SEA chinese have prized economic power because that means they can manipulate the politicians AND they have a way out if things get bad. and it&#8217;s really the poor who are hurt most by this system because they can&#8217;t leave and they bear the brunt of local anger.</p>
<p>but anyway, my point is: if you keep making ethnic minorities feel that they are &#8220;outsiders,&#8221; you prevent them from developing any form of love or attachment to their countries. that means that they have no incentive to invest in the future of the country, and they don&#8217;t really give a shit if they drag it down into further misery as long as they get theirs, ya feel me?</p>
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		<title>By: Dialectic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dialectic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the lack of controversy around this article also telling.  Imagine this were an American article, and replace the ethnicities with white, Black, or Latino.  It would be an American activist powder keg!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the lack of controversy around this article also telling.  Imagine this were an American article, and replace the ethnicities with white, Black, or Latino.  It would be an American activist powder keg!!</p>
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